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Obamacare is upheld by the Supreme Court

By iwog   Follow   Thu, 28 Jun 2012, 7:18am   17,817 views   298 comments
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Whoops.......so much for Shrek's predictive ability. I'm beginning to like Roberts. First he throws out the Arizona law, now he upholds health care reform.

I'm actually pretty amazed by this decision. I hope it represents a real evolution in the thinking of John Roberts and not just a couple of instances of temporary sanity.

Liberal chief justice John Roberts........I like the sound of that!

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1. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 414 threads 4,124 comments Baltimore, MD

   59   9:25am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   StoutFiles says Exactly. My rates will increase dramatically because less than 1% of the population will game the system with their insane conditions.

2. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   60   9:27am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   APOCALYPSEDUCK is Shostakovich says The rich will fly to private clinics pay cash. The poor will buy hunting rifles and blow their own brains out when they can't take the pain any more. God Bless America.

3. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 414 threads 4,124 comments Baltimore, MD

   61   9:27am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   iwog says We might see costs drop instead Not likely!

4. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 489 comments Alameda, CA

   62   9:28am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   People who want to move to Canada to escape a government-run health care industry: http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare

5. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   63   9:29am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (2)   StoutFiles says People might be electing Romney just to get Obamacare nixed. Which would be stupid. What about RomneyCare in MA? But then again, no one ever accused the teabaggers of acting on facts.

6. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 328 threads 917 comments

   64   9:40am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   For those that wants to leave this country, I'm immediately ready to help you move.

7. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   65   9:45am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike   HEY YOU says For those that wants to leave this country, I'm immediately ready to help you move. Can you get me citizenship in Canada?

8. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 489 comments Alameda, CA

   66   9:50am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   wthrfrk80 says HEY YOU says For those that wants to leave this country, I'm immediately ready to help you move. Can you get me citizenship in Canada? You sure you want that? They have "radically redefined marriage" in the Great White North in case you haven't heard.

9. Andy S Follow Befriend 6 threads 17 comments Seattle, WA

   67   9:52am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (2)   The ruling today by Scotus is a step forward for all citizens. How can America be proud when they currently stand at #37 in the WHO World Health Crea Rankings. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems That is only two places in front of Cuba, who have been subjected to economic sanctions for years. And considering that the USA spends the most on healthcare of any nation, you should be #1 in the rankings. I grew up in England as a child, and was used to our single payer system with the NHS, and it is so much better than what I currently have in the USA under an employer based private system. Realistically, all Americans should be appalled that their country is at #37. Coincidently, even the CIA has the USA on the Life Expectancy rankings at #51. Which is one place behind Cuba. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_CIA_World_Factbook_.282011_estimates.29 Come this July 4th, Americans really have little to celebrate in real terms of quality of life, affordable healthcare, Life expectancy, as in reality someone in Monaco is going to enjoy life by a whole 11.36 more years. But hey, atleast you have the Worlds best military that is 13 times larger than its nearest rival, but cannot defeat a group of rags heads in a underdeveloped country.

10. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 102 threads 3,762 comments

    68   9:52am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   StoutFiles says Exactly. My rates will increase dramatically because less than 1% of the population will game the system with their insane conditions. Absolutely agree. Yet the left, that chooses to stay uninformed thinks this will not make insurance more prohibitively expensive. The penalty of $95 or whatever it is, isn't going to be anywhere close to the huge surgery bills that will result from people getting insurance post trauma because they cannot be declined. And since with this law pre existing conditions cannot be used to determine individual risk, that risk has to be assumed across the board... Healthcare costs will skyrocket and so will insurance since they are a pass through system.

11. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    69   10:07am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   bdrasin says People who want to move to Canada to escape a government-run health care industry: http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare Ah, ha ha ha -- pretty funny, I guess they like Canada's socialized health care system much better. Rather than Canada they should make a real stand against Obamacare and move to a country that does not provide universal health care.

12. swebb Follow Befriend (3) 29 threads 490 comments Denver, CO

    70   10:09am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Andy S says Realistically, all Americans should be appalled that their country is at #37. It is shocking, but I think there are two sides to this coin. I think Americans tend to have less healthy lifestyles than many benchmark countries. It would be interesting to see data on the average BMI, for example, of the countries in that ranking. It's absolutely shocking to return to the United States after traveling abroad for a week or so. FAT FAT FAT people everywhere you look. God help you if you fly into Cincinnati. I wonder how our health care system would rank if fat Americans weren't so fat.

13. dublin hillz Follow Befriend 10 threads 766 comments Dublin, CA

    71   10:11am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Today was a great day for freedom. The freedom not to worry that one will be bankrupt in order to treat horrible medical conditions. The knowledge that you will no longer be turned away from a preexisting condition brings a sense of certainty that allows people to live with much less worry and hence increases the quality of life. The idea that one could be turned away from coverage due to cancer (example of preexisting condition) is just unconscionable and is not how a society that professes to value human rights should have comported itself. However, everyone must take responsibility for themselves. I would go a step further. Since we all know that obesity is the #1 killa via deseases such as diabetes, high blood pressure, heart desease, etc. I would place people on a 5 year warning starting today, that they must get their under 28 starting June 28th 2017 or risk losing coverage for preexisting conditions that could reasonably be ascertained to result from high BMI. This 5 year window is more than enough time to make lifestyle changes via diet and exercise to get the weight under control. And if someone were to cry that such a policy is an infringement on their freedom, that is a a childish response since fixing the obesity epidemic lowers need for healthcare and thus saves money to society and all participants.

14. StoutFiles Follow Befriend (1) 24 threads 557 comments

    72   10:15am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   dublin hillz says that they must get their under 28 starting June 28th 2017 or risk losing coverage for preexisting conditions that could reasonably be ascertained to result from high BMI. BMI does not take muscle into account. For example, star running back Emmitt Smith had a BMI of 32 when playing. Under that suggestion, most pro football players would be punished for being too strong.

15. DukeLaw Follow Befriend 3 threads 73 comments

    73   10:15am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Hmmm, I guess people like FortWayne would rather just have these people die. Here's the 1% "gaming" the system. http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12363291-thrilled-and-relieved-sick-patients-cheer-court-ruling?lite

16. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    74   10:16am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says Can you get me citizenship in Canada? Canadian citizenship takes 3 years after you move there. Here is a questionnaire that can help you determine your chances of getting to live in Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/app/ctcvac/english/index?utm_source=slash-cometocanada&utm_medium=short-url&utm_campaign=come-to-canada

17. dublin hillz Follow Befriend 10 threads 766 comments Dublin, CA

    75   10:17am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   StoutFiles says dublin hillz says that they must get their under 28 starting June 28th 2017 or risk losing coverage for preexisting conditions that could reasonably be ascertained to result from high BMI. BMI does not take into account muscle. Under that suggestion, most pro football players would be punished for being too strong. This makes sense to exempt the athletes. But we all know that there are those with BMI over 30 in your local supermarket that could play defensive line and they are not athletes lol.

18. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,699 comments

    76   10:19am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   I think they should tax RE profits and rental fees at 10% a month to pay for Obamacare. Watch how fast Iwog would be voting for Romney then.

19. StoutFiles Follow Befriend (1) 24 threads 557 comments

    77   10:22am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   DukeLaw says Hmmm, I guess people like FortWayne would rather just have these people die. Here's the 1% "gaming" the system. http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12363291-thrilled-and-relieved-sick-patients-cheer-court-ruling?lite "I am thrilled. I can't tell you what this means," said Levendoski (57 years old), who is still recovering from two 10-hour surgeries in 2011 to correct spinal fractures and a compressed spinal cord, which left her virtually paralyzed." What again does this person do for society? At the age of 57, what can this person do going forward after a bunch of money is spent on them? I would be okay with kids, who have their whole life ahead of them, getting said treatment, but I'm NOT for paying a bunch of money to help old people live a little longer. People are retiring at 65, eating up all the Social Security I'll never get while living [like a vegetable] in to their 90's and I'm paying for their complicated surgeries. Fantastic.

20. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,626 comments

    78   10:25am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says I think they should tax RE profits and rental fees at 10% a month to pay for Obamacare. Watch how fast Iwog would be voting for Romney then. Not everyone is as selfish as you Cap'n. Iwog is on record as saying he wishes the government would raise taxes on the rich (including him).

21. Andy S Follow Befriend 6 threads 17 comments Seattle, WA

    79   10:26am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike

22. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,626 comments

    80   10:26am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   StoutFiles says I would be okay with kids, who have their whole life ahead of them, getting said treatment, but I'm NOT for paying a bunch of money to help old people live a little longer. People are retiring at 65, eating up all the Social Security I'll never get while living in to their 90's and I'm paying for their complicated surgeries. Fantastic. Sounds like you are in favor of death panels then....

23. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

    81   10:28am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Andy S says The ruling today by Scotus .... Then there were a bunch of pesky facts. You know that facts don't fly with this bunch!

24. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 170 threads 4,183 comments Premium

    82   10:33am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   If President and Plenipotentiary for Life Sarah Palin had been able to place David Koch and Dick Cheney on the Supreme Court, this catastrophe of marxist adventurism would never have happened! Death Panels assemble in 15 minutes! Kiss grandma and grandpa goodbye before they get the hatchet!

25. CDon Follow Befriend (1) 215 comments

    83   10:36am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Ruki says This means that the government can do ANYTHING as long as they claim its part of taxation. ANYTHING. Obey The Tripods No. Attempting to ban guns in schools (lopez) has nothing to do with Taxes. Restrictions on the transportation of chickens (Us. V. Schecter Poultry) has nothing to do with taxes. Refusal to deliver a comission (Marbury) has nothing to do with taxes. There are lots of things the US government would like to do that they cannot.

26. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,071 comments

    84   10:38am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says iwog says No lifetime benefit caps, no pre-existing condition denials, no denial of children for any reason Which means rates go up. A lot. No, the mandate that everyone has to be insured is what pays for those benefits. Fortunately we have an example of how this works out. Massachusetts Look, if it doesn't work out well there will be other reforms. The good news is the change, progress. Ultimately the best thing would be medicare for all. With people buying optional supplemental policies. Just think the huge proportion of our health care that is already handled that way.

27. CDon Follow Befriend (1) 215 comments

    85   10:38am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says iwog says No, that's just idiotic. The constitution allows the government to tax. Period. Sorry you don't like taxes. There's a distinction between taxes to the public treasury and a mandate to buy something from a private company. Right? You would have thought so. Very interested to see the opinion and what this could mean going forward.

28. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    86   10:41am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   Andy S says But hey, atleast you have the Worlds best military that is 13 times larger than its nearest rival, but cannot defeat a group of rags heads in a underdeveloped country. Pathetic isn't it? But as we all know, military spending is primarily for enriching the top 0.1%, not for actual defense.

29. StoutFiles Follow Befriend (1) 24 threads 557 comments

    87   10:42am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   tatupu70 says Sounds like you are in favor of death panels then.... I'm in favor of everyone carrying their own weight, and only the helpless (kids/young adults) getting help above and beyond what they've been able to contribute. The needs of the many should not suffer for the needs of the few, especially the few who have already lived 60+ years.

30. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,071 comments

    88   10:43am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Ruki says And the fix for that is to let them die on the street instead of forcing the rest of us to pay for it. Proof that you're just a stupid troll

31. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    89   10:45am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   StoutFiles says tatupu70 says Sounds like you are in favor of death panels then.... The needs of the many should not suffer for the needs of the few, especially the few who have already lived 60+ years. So that is a yes on the death panels then.

32. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,626 comments

    90   10:46am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   StoutFiles says I'm in favor of everyone carrying their own weight So am I. Everyone buys insurance so if something happens, they are covered. What's the problem?

33. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

    91   10:46am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Obamacare is upheld by the Supreme Court Yes, its official... Obamacare is actually Obama Tax... Pay up, or the IRS will go after you...

34. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    92   10:48am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   APOCALYPSEDUCK is Shostakovich says If President and Plenipotentiary for Life Sarah Palin had been able to place David Koch and Dick Cheney on the Supreme Court, this catastrophe of marxist adventurism would never have happened!

35. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    93   10:51am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   bdrasin says You sure you want that? They have "radically redefined marriage" in the Great White North in case you haven't heard. It's only a matter of time before our politicians cravenly give into the demands of the Lavender Mafia too.

36. StoutFiles Follow Befriend (1) 24 threads 557 comments

    94   10:53am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   tatupu70 says So am I. Everyone buys insurance so if something happens, they are covered. What's the problem? The cost should then be heavily weighted based on your age and conditions. If they can still afford it, perfect. As long as my payments are not affected by other people.

37. Travis Bickle Follow Befriend (1) 9 threads 64 comments Anaheim, CA

    95   10:57am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   HEY YOU says For those that wants to leave this country, I'm immediately ready to help you move. Would that include illegal alien leaches, or would you prefer they stay??

38. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,517 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    96   10:58am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   StoutFiles says The cost should then be heavily weighted based on your age and conditions. If they can still afford it, perfect. As long as my payments are not affected by other people. Because some people don't grow old right? Or people can usually predict when they are going to suffer a catastrophic injury?

39. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,626 comments

    97   11:00am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   StoutFiles says The cost should then be heavily weighted based on your age and conditions. If they can still afford it, perfect. As long as my payments are not affected by other people. lol--I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that your above opinion will change as you get older...

40. AverageBear Follow Befriend (1) 12 threads 334 comments Boston, MA

    98   11:01am Thu 28 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Danaseb says AverageBear says Get ready for ALOT of primary care doctors retiring early, leaving the profession. Get ready to wait a LONG time to get a hold of a primary doctor. Get ready for a shortage of doctors in general. Which is more or less exactly how it is now, if this gets rid of those who overcharge using their massively overpriced education as justification; good riddance. Kills two birds with one stone by hitting the scumbag universities too. This will do nothing to the number of doctors, they will be back to work the second they realize they need to eat too. Really? You really think it's "more or less the same now anyway". HAHAA... You think the average doctor 'uses their massively overpriced education' to overcharge? They are pawns in the system just like we are. Any primary care physician within 5-10 years of retirement, is going to say 'fuck it!" I'm not gonna eat a slice of Obama-care-Shit-Pie." I'm not going to wait 6-9 months to get paid .80 cents on the dollar. They are going to go into a specialty practice. Any young doctor out of school isn't going into primary. Look at Canada. All doctors are TOLD to go where they are told to go, and told what they are going to do. Not by choice, but by law.....Like my Dad used to tell me..."Kid, you ain't seen nuthin' yet".....

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