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Is the PPACA a tax ?

By marcus   Follow   Mon, 2 Jul 2012, 12:54am   704 views   8 comments
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This Forbes editorial says no.

"Don't Buy The GOP Narrative That Obamacare Is A Tax On Middle Class-It's A Lie Designed To Mislead"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/06/28/dont-buy-the-gop-narrative-that-obamacare-is-a-tax-on-middle-class-its-a-lie-designed-to-mislead/

There is a difference between the levying of a tax and the Court finding Constitutional authority for Congress under the taxing authority. But then, anything that is more complicated than your basic “See Spot Run” first grade reading primer has always been fair game and fodder for the GOP message machine which would prefer to base their arguments on misstatements than educating and enlightening its base.

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1. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 170 threads 4,186 comments Premium

   1   4:53am Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   Michelle Obama was just on the phone, asking if I'd write a Death Panel manual and a companion guide called, "How to Kill Old White People With Nothing But a Rock".

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   2   12:48pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Ruki says No, there isn't. Either its a tax or not and SCOTUS just declared it one even if the libs keep lying about it. A perfect example of the author's point. It's stunning really. But then, anything that is more complicated than your basic “See Spot Run” first grade reading primer has always been fair game and fodder for the GOP message machine

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   3   12:54pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   marcus says A perfect example of the author's point. It's stunning really. Why do you find it stunning? Haven't you read any of ruki's posts previously?

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   4   1:04pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   It's stunning because he quoted the key sentence: There is a difference between the levying of a tax and the Court finding Constitutional authority for Congress under the taxing authority. And then said "no there isn't." Implying a total lack of willingness to even comprehend the sentence he just quoted. It's the old, if I just repeat it enough it's true. I don't have a problem if people say "we can frame it as a tax" or "it can be construed as a tax." But if they say the scotus decision proves that it is a tax ? Also, if it is construed to be a tax, that would be the $95 (which goes up to $600) that is only paid by people who can afford health insurance and don't have it. So how do they then say it's a huge tax increase ? "Why do you find it stunning?" Actually I don't. Just making the observation that it is. And trying to shame Shrek in to seeing how much of a fool he is.

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   5   1:13pm Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Protected   It's a sad day when a magazine for top 0.1% is further left (economically) than the Republican party.

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   6   8:43am Fri 13 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   In the opening paragraphs of Chief Justice Roberts’ opinion, he clarifies that the law specifically does not involve a tax. If it did, Roberts clarifies, the Court would have had no choice but to reject the case for lack of jurisdiction as a tax case cannot be brought until someone is actually forced to pay the tax. This is, as we know, not the case. I love how Ruki chose to ignore that part of the article when he used the decision as his proof that it IS a tax. The SCOTUS specifically said it is NOT a tax.

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   7   8:57am Fri 13 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Protected   It's all a silly debate over semantics at this point. At the end of the day, it's a victory for good old American Crony Capitalism.

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   8   9:16am Fri 13 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Marcus, would it make you feel better if instead of calling what you pay at the end of the year an "income-tax" they instead called it an "income-penalty" or an "income-fee"? These words are practically synonyms, you are debating semantics.