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Global warming

By iwog   Follow   Sun, 8 Jul 2012, 1:30pm   20,412 views   402 comments
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There has never been a summer like this one on the North Pole since detailed records have been kept. Not only is the United States experiencing a record heat wave, but the arctic ice cap is melting far ahead of schedule.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

Those of you who believe that global warming is a fraud created by Al Gore to win the Nobel Prize should probably rethink your positions.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/arctic-sea-ice-melting-at-a-record-rate-20120701-21b57.html

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1. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 490 comments Alameda, CA

   1   1:51pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (7)   Dislike   Oh, all you have is data and evidence. What good is that compared to an ideology?

2. MarkInSF Follow Befriend 14 threads 1,118 comments

   2   1:11am Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (1)   clambo says The CO2 gas is present in the earth in minute concentrations. To understand this it helps to have been a scientist who worked with numbers. The CO2 today is about 380 ppm=parts per million I think I remember. That is about 120 ppm higher than before "men polluted the atmosphere". 10,000 ppm=1% The original concentration of the plant nutrient CO2 was low, and today it is still very low. The change is tiny. The low sounding concentration of CO2 is irrelevant. You could take out 90% of the N2 and O2 in the atmosphere, and the concentration of CO2 would go up about 10 fold to more like 4000 PPM. But it would not mean much change for the greenhouse effect, since N2 and O2 are transparent to infrared radiation. How much visible light does an inch of air block? Almost nothing. How much does 1000 inches of air block? Almost nothing. How much does a 1 millimeter thick piece of tinted glass block? Quite a bit. CO2 is the tinted glass. The concentration of CO2 compared to N2 and O2 is irrelevant because N2 and O2 don't block infrared light. All that matters is the amount of tinted glass which blocks visible light. All that matters is the amount of CO2 which blocks infrared. What you are saying amounts to: "There are million inches of air between me and the sun. And only a millimeter of this tinted glass in my sun glasses. Therefore the tinted glass could not possibly have a significant effect on the amount of light reaching my eyes," clambo says The CO2 gas is present in the earth in minute concentrations. To understand this it helps to have been a scientist who worked with numbers. Clearly you are not talking about yourself here. You just cut and pasted some cow droppings from somebody else who wasn't a scientist either.

3. Buster Follow Befriend (7) 22 threads 325 comments

   3   2:20pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)   thomas.wong1986 says The Grand Canyon is 277 miles (446 km) long, up to 18 miles (29 km) wide and attains a depth of over a mile (6,000 feet / 1,800 metres)[2] Nearly two billion years of the Earth's geological history have been exposed as the Colorado River and its tributaries cut their channels through layer after layer of rock while the Colorado Plateau was uplifted. While the specific geologic processes and timing that formed the Grand Canyon are the subject of debate by geologists, recent evidence suggests the Colorado River established its course through the canyon at least 17 million years ago. Since that time, the Colorado River continued to erode and form the canyon to its present-day configuration. Thomas, there you go lying again. Everybody knows the grand canyon is only 5,000 years old. 6 thousand tops.

4. elliemae Follow Befriend (25) 413 threads 6,983 comments Saint George, UT elliemae's website

   4   2:52pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)   http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/07/17/what-ever-happened-to-the-lawsuit-brought-by-weather-channel-founder-against-al-gore/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100729214718AAMg6oH yawn.

5. Bill Frank Follow Befriend 1 threads 16 comments

   5   9:05am Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   First, anyone who strictly adheres to "religous" belief will never acknowledge a problem that conflicts with that belief. Second, our species has thrived because the planet's climate conditions have been favorable. This favorable period, just the last 10-15 thousand years, is exceptional in the entire history of the planet, not the norm. Third, it is actually very arrogant to think we can create ever increasing amounts of pollution and not expect there to be consequences. Finally, relatively minor changes in global temperature can create significant changes to climate. It is literally suicidal to risk upsetting the delicate balance in climate that has ALLOWED us to thrive. Greed will undo our economic system and arrogance will result in the planet responding to our folly in a most painful manner.

6. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,100 comments

   6   12:23pm Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   For you clambo. My prediction, you won't read these, because they don't support what you want to believe. http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy

7. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   7   12:40pm Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)   marcus says Shirley you jest. I'm thinking you must be talking about per capita in the US only. "I AM serious. And stop calling me Shirley."

8. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   8   2:16pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   bdrasin says Oh, all you have is data and evidence. What good is that compared to an ideology? That's the heart of almost everything wrong in the world isn't it? "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!"

9. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,576 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   9   3:15pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   Here is the graph that sold me and should open the eyes of even the most hardcore skeptics. It measures the yearly ebb and flow of the arctic ice pack by year starting in 1979 until yesterday 2012. Blue is oldest, red is newest, Yellow is this year. The yellow line is cutting new ground since as I said initially, we are breaking new melt records. It's inconceivable to me that anyone can view this chart and still deny global warming. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

10. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    10   1:02pm Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   zzyzzx says couldn't live in the Northeast if it wasn't for global warming! When it was 80 degrees in March up here, I was thinking to myself "man, if this is global warming, I'm buying a Hummer!"

11. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 416 threads 4,138 comments Baltimore, MD

    11   6:34am Tue 10 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures. In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun. "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said. Solar Cycles Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets. Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories. "Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said. By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

12. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    12   2:02pm Fri 13 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   I don't doubt that global warming is real, but I'm not sure that it's all bad. Sure, Holland and Bangladesh are not going to be happy, and we'll probably get more nasty weather in places, but on the other hand, we'll get longer growing seasons, higher crop yields, lower heating costs, the Northwest Passage free of ice, and dramatically increased real estate values in Canada and Russia! The world isn't ending, it's just changing.

13. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    13   3:36pm Fri 13 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   Patrick says Only the technology is lacking

14. robertoaribas Follow Befriend (23) 55 threads 3,836 comments Scottsdale, AZ robertoaribas's website

    14   1:54pm Tue 17 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Peter P says At some point, food may become more scarce, causing a slowdown or reversal in human population growth. Nothing too catastrophic. growth slowdown due to widespread starvation... nothing too catastrophic at all!

15. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 335 threads 923 comments

    15   4:13pm Wed 18 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   There's no global warming. I just opened the freezer & everything's still frozen.

16. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 335 threads 923 comments

    16   2:14pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   I have an ideology that the earth is flat & the center of the universe.

17. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 204 threads 4,416 comments Davis, CA

    17   9:09pm Sun 8 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   I like EllieMae's links abou the "30,000 scientists" who want to sue Al Gore. Nice, how the Freepers jumped on that subject and still do. Because someone threatens to press a lawsuit there must be some credibility neh? Haha, I can issue cartoony threats to sue Disney for stealing my rights to draw a mouse but it has zero chance of succeeding. From the 2nd article: "However, an investigation by a Danish journalist found that many of the names on the declaration were invalid and the true number of genuine signatories appears to be in the order of 30 to 50 people."

18. MarkInSF Follow Befriend 14 threads 1,118 comments

    18   1:24am Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (2)   rocketjoe79 says I seem to see more evidence that global warming is turning to a religion - or even a cult. That may be true. But that has nothing to do with the scientific reality of anthropogenic climate change.

19. swebb Follow Befriend (3) 29 threads 490 comments Denver, CO

    19   7:13am Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   clambo says The CO2 today is about 380 ppm=parts per million I think I remember. That is about 120 ppm higher than before "men polluted the atmosphere". That's a 46% increase.

20. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,652 comments

    20   9:29am Mon 9 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (3)   rocketjoe79 says Follow the money. Now that's laughable. Money funds the anti-global warming movement. Industry wants to pollute...