WatchOMG. What a totally offensive, devisive statement. Did the president of the United States REALLY say that? Thats got to down as one of the stupidest things ever said. It even tops Bush's statement: "We're dismantling free market principles in order to save the free market".
Success is continually demonized by the "president". Class warfare at it finest. Right up there with "make the rich pay their fair share". Punative progressive taxes are a classic example of punishing success. Is it any wonder America is in the tank?
This election isn't about Romneys success, its about oB'amam's failure.
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If you're a business owner, and want to tell the world who it was that actually built your business, you might be interested in this tee-shirt.
You can't really blame oBamma for making that statement, after all he's never built a business, so he's speaking out of ignorance.
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You didn't earn that Noble Prize mr. president...
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If you earn any money at all, you didn't earn it, you didn't work for it, someone else made that happen.
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You didn't eat your lunch, someone else did.
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Honest Abe says
Total crap which is why you found it necessary to keep bumping your own thread.
Obama is 100% correct. Romney's "success" is the same as a pirate's success:
1. Board
2. Pillage
3. Leave
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Class warfare is going into a company, destroying all the jobs, stealing all the money, and abandoning it.
Could you possibly be more ignorant of what Romney actually DID at Bain????
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Honest Abe says
I've built several businesses and I know you're totally lost when it comes to creating jobs. You don't know anything at all about the topics you post about.
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No, I didn't say YOU never built a business, I said oBummer never built a business.
And why would you say I'm totally lost when it comes to creating jobs?
PS - you really DIDN'T build your business...someone else made that happen.
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Marcus - the current president is anti-business and anti-success. Democrats don't like personal responsibility. Their failures are always someone else's fault. Their failure is due to the evil 1%'rs, "The Man", the wealthy, the successful...the RICH.
Since democrats are not reswponsible for their own failure, they can NOT be responsible for their own success - "if you got a business, you didn't really build that, someone else made that happen". You see what I mean? Stinkin' thinkin'.
Again, this isn't about Romneys success, its about obama's failure. Why would anyone, in any socio-economic class, re-elect someone who has failed in virtually every aspect of his job?
Wait - the military DID gun down Osama. Unfortunately, Ben Bernanke has done more financial damage to our country than Osama. And obama reappointed bernanke to do yet more damage. Constitutional scholar, hahaha - FAIL.
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You don't have a clue.
I'm a job creator, and I pay more corporate and personal taxes in one year than you will in a lifetime...
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Right, you went into business to create jobs? I owned and operated a business for 23 years hired hundreds of people over that time period. They were vital to my business but their jobs were not *why* I was in business. My business did not exist to create jobs, it existed to create money, for me. To get the same work done with fewer hours and fewer people is how we increased productivity and profitability. We tried to lower labor costs on projects when ever we could. That didnt mean I didn't pay good wages and benefits as I did, including health insurance and pension but job creation is a side affect of being in a for profit business not its primary purpose which is to make money for the owners. My business could not have existed without its workers but the workers without my management and capital could not have done the work we did.
As we have seen with Bain not all businesses create jobs some destroy jobs.
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Notice that Obama saying something totally idiotic is somehow supposed to reflect on Romney?
That's called "changing the subject". Nice try but you fail iwog.
I remember when I was doing my own little business and years ago I
1. worked 28 days in a month
2. got up at 4am
3. exposed sometimes to physical danger.
4. dealt with herding a few guys into working who would rather sleep at 4am
5. paid guys very handsomely to help me, at about $50/hour
6. used Fedex (not the USPS)
7. used my own brains, balls, sweat and blood to make money
8. waited to be paid by people, as is common in business.
9. declared my income, had various permits, paid taxes.
By stark contrast, my friends here in santa cruz on SSI for being "depressed" or having a "sore back" are fine. Another who is on Sec. 8 and food stamps is doing fine.
One funny anecdote however for dear readers. A large city in southern california desired my services. They sent me a huge questionnaire about my "diversity" and "affirmative action" , etc. policies.
I wrote "I have none, but my ancestors owned slaves. Does this count?"
I got the contract anyway. Why? Because no one in that department probably could read.
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Obama doesnt mind when he invites the same 1% industry leaders to his $38K a plate fund raiser... be they in SV, Hollywood or Wall Street
http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-big-wigs-paid-385000-to-have-dinner-with-obama-last-night-2012-5
Silicon Valley big shots to pay $36,000 for dinner with Obama?
According to several reports, President Barack Obama will be attending a fund-raiser in his honor at the home of Silicon Valley philanthropists tonight.
May 23, 2012 8:24 AM
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You have? Great!
Let's see 10 years of tax returns soos we know you're legit....
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Can someone please make it happen for me?
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No, creating jobs was a side effect of me going into business....
nonetheless, that still makes me a "job creator"
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lemme guess...San Bernardino??
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Ruki says
Too scared to discuss what I wrote? Why did Romney force a company with revenues of $4.5 million to borrow $444 million? Is that what you want for the USA?
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I know this is what your AM radio masters want you to believe, but what actual fact from either what Obama has said or what Obama has done indicates this is true?
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http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/05/07/president_obama_is_running_out_of_jobs_excuses_99657.html
And if you have a successful business you are demonized. Thanks Mr. Prez!
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I don't mind conservatives being upset by this, because if the myth of the self-made man is destroyed then so is modern conservatism.
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iwog, nobody has an "am radio master" around here.
xrpb, it was Los Angeles, pretty funny ain't it?
I gouged them and bought AAPL, took vacations to Mexico for fun, sun, beach, chicks, etc.
Gotta love being in charge of your own destiny. Someone's gotta do it right?
Oh and you guys who brag here and are *married* to a woman over 40? Don't bother. You're still working for someone, it's not "the man" however.
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Why wait for Romney? Under Obama, we are already there.
US Revenue 2012: 5.1 trillion http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/
US Debt: 15.8 trillion http://www.usdebtclock.org
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You are disingenuous. You make it sound like bain bought the company and broke it up for profit...without any regard for growth or it's employees...
In fact, the company grew 53% compound annual growth in net sales from when Bain took over, from 1992 to 1996, 8.8 million in 1992, to over 200 million in 1996. 4 straight years of increasing success. then they went public and fucked up, making numerous acquisitions that didn't pan out and eventually drove them into bankruptcy.
That's capitalism. risk and reward. With Ampad, there were 4 straight years of Reward,
Nothing lasts forever. Get over it.
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Fooled by Randomness.
Success is a combination of random chance, preparedness, and risk-taking. Business success usually involves some additional ability to manage (e.g. "harvest") talent.
Hard work is something almost everyone does, but few are lucky enough for it to pay off. Not just anyone can "work hard and succeed" when the dice are loaded in favor of those who already climbed the ladder and kicked it out.
The real issue is whether or not the principle of Nobless Oblige is applied: do the people in any particular business (or government position of power) repay those people (or the resources) that they harvest?
When I heard Obama say "you had help", I didn't first think of government, but all of the people who Romney harvested along the way to get to the top of a pile of dead bodies.
Obama probably knows a little bit about that type of 'business'. It's the American Way and you have to participate to get anywhere in politics (excepting maybe Vermont or Portland).
There is no middle class. There are those that work because they want to eat, and those who will never have to work to eat (welfare is a temporary holding cell for the 'extras').
The difference is that most people BELIEVE they are somewhere in the middle, and their belief is what makes them vulnerable to power. When they realize their actual position in regard to those with real power (usually when they are starving to death at the behest of the powerful), a revolution happens, probably led by someone with a simple ideology and a lot of charisma. This crap between Democrat corporatists and Republican corporatists is a nice show to watch while eating high fructose corn syrup, but there's a drought going on.
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That's a complete load of crap and I'm not being disingenuous at all, which is why you'll run away from discussing the specifics until the day you die.
You claim you own a corporation. Do you think it's a valid business move to borrow $444 million in two fucking years when your operational revenue is $4.5 million per year? Why did Romney steal $105 million of it when he destroyed the company?
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I'm a pure capitalist, as evidenced by my real estate business, and I have no problem with Obama and this statement.
As one of my roles at the college I teach at, I am adviser to an international honor society chapter. Each year at their induction service, in my introductory speech, I mention how that many of them did not receive this distinction alone. In fact sitting at their tables, I see parents that have encouraged them, spouses that have supported them and given them the time to dedicate to their studies, children that had to understand mommy or daddy was busy some nights. Everyone gives a round of applause to this in my speech, but Obama says effectively the same thing, and the looney right misquotes it and attacks.
Even my success, I was given pell grants to get my BS degree, as my family was desperately poor, and NSF fellowship to do my graduate studies.
It does take a society that supports education, infrastructure, laws, and inventiveness for individuals to prosper. In less our goal is to be Somalia, where only criminals can rise to success, we might as well acknowledge the inherent truth in this.
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Because he could without being arrested and he could use the proceeds to buy 1000 Philippina wives and a mountain of coke and enjoy them in Caligulan splendor and that's what America is all about.
Why do you hate Freedom?
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Auntie brings up a good, albeit rather deep point. If I might borrow one component of it that is quite relevant to this thread. "do the people in any particular business (or government position of power) repay those people (or the resources) that they harvest"
The bloviating earlier in this thread by all you 'job creators' fails to consider externalaties. If you had to pay the true cost of a gallon of gas in the US, it would be close to $12-$14/gallon. If your business had to pay the true cost of the infrastructure you use to deliver your products, your costs would at least triple, if not significantly more.
We made a decision as a nation that we would share these costs among all of us via taxes and the government to help foster an economic climate where you could start a business, and nurture it in America's fertile soil.
All you dumbasses want to 'drown the government in the bathtub'. Go right ahead. Let's go to zero taxes and shift the FULL burden of externalaties onto your business. You'd be bankrupt in a matter of weeks.
Want to know how this story ends. Welcome to Sudan! Go start your fancy business there and let me know how it turns out!
God, the stupidity and arrogance of some of you guys thinking you 'did it all alone' is amazing.
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RIGHT ON! America belongs to the most well-armed, relentless, unyeilding and blood thirsty! Our founding fathers gave us a second amendment knowing, in the end, the Republic would evolve into a non-stop free fire fight.
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MUSLIMS FOR O'BAMA
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Yes Abe, I am sure the Muslims love Obama because he killed Bin Laden, whereas Bush "really just don’t spend that much time on him". Welcome to the idiocracy; or do you just like to listen to yourself type?
Getting paid by the RNC for the thread remaining at the top?
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OK, these people built their businesses but they can stay out & off the infrastructure that they could not afford to build. Just another group of socialist.
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Reagan: Sent weapons to Iran and money to Iraq
Bush Sr: Did extensive business with the Bin Laden family and did a lot of Saudi kissing.
Bush Jr: Executed Iran's greatest enemy and expanded Iranian influence at the expense of secularists.
Oh yeah Abe, I can totally see why radical Islam would be against the Republican party.
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Did anybody in this somewhat oniric thread mention the fact that the quote is incorrect? The president in the same speach, a little bit earlier mentions bridges, roads, and other infrastructures, then says "and if you got a business, you didn't build that" referred to such infrastructures.
I wanted to say it just in case you were all too busy to bother with facts.
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What 2 years are you talking about? My data shows 8 million net sales in 1992 steadily increasing to over 200 million net sales in 1996...
And why do you feel the need to curse when discussing this topic?
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Nobody believes they "did it all alone" if one includes infrastructure in the equation.
If 100 people in the same city are provided the same infrastructure and education by the taxpayers, via the government, a very small subset will take advantage and attempt to create a business. They take on all the risk. They suffer the consequences of bad decisions. They reap the benefits if they succeed. Business owners take offense at OB's statement because we see the infrastructure as a GIVEN, NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF 'BUILDING A BUSINESS'. ALL 100 PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE. Only the BUSINESS BUILDERS take advantage of it. The rest are too risk adverse, or too lazy.
I don't see all 100 people suffering the financial and personal consequences of a failed enterprise. If 'someone else made that happen', why is that 'someone else' not standing beside you taking the chapter 11 hit??
One could argue they 'are' standing beside you, as your failed business takes bailout funds from the government. That is a minuscule subset of all business owners and is irrelevant to the conversation.
So it appears the argument boils down to what defines the starting point of a new business. Business owners define it as applying for a business license. Others see it, incorrectly IMO, as everything else that happens prior to the license.
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That is exactly right!!! Everyone has the same "access" to starting a business but only a few will make the jump and DO IT!! The majority of the population would rather live off the labor of someone else.
The majority of the people who agreed with BHO's comment are people who never started a business. When someone takes that leap, forms a business, works 80+ hours a week, makes half of the income they could in the real world and eats and breathes the business.... THEY built that business, no one else!!!