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Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

By jhall   Follow   Tue, 24 Jul 2012, 1:10pm   984 views   22 comments
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719

From the story:
Climate change operates on a geological scale and time frame, but it's not an impersonal force of nature; the more carefully you do the math, the more thoroughly you realize that this is, at bottom, a moral issue; we have met the enemy and they is Shell.

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1. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   1   1:27pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   jhall says we have met the enemy and they is Shell. You're kidding right? That sounds like far-left trolling. No, it doesn't have anything to do with the modern lifestyle (which we take for granted) requiring massive fossil fuel inputs. It's all one particular oil company's fault. Get real.

2. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

   2   2:12pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The article is a pure fearmongering with very little info. Just look at the idiotic picture at the top I can't help laughing at the passages like: "two degrees – about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit". Note that "about", the author apparently is not very familiar with temperature measurments. It also never defines what are those 2 degrees Celcius warming. I suspect it's about the average ocean surface temperature, but what is the starting point?

3. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 356 threads 965 comments

   3   2:17pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   All those opposed to the article,hurry and post a comment. I need some entertainment. I never liked math. There are numbers involved.

4. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   4   2:23pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   George W. Bush: "No more fuzzy math!"

5. PockyClipsNow Follow Befriend 19 threads 1,536 comments Los Angeles, CA

   5   2:35pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The global warming people need to set a hard date for thier fictional TEOTWAKI event (like the mayan 2012 bs). So we can call them on thier BS when nothing happens. But it wont happen, its dumb to set a date. 100 years from now they will still be saying 'its still true but we had the timeline wrong, we need to setup a carbon credit trading system with wall street run by goldman sachs or TEOTWAKI sooooon'.

6. errc Follow Befriend (7) 30 threads 1,267 comments 31 male Premium

   6   2:56pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   What you mean set a date We've alfready gone from Global cooling to Global warming to Climate change OMG the climate is changing! Quick, we need ANOTHER income tax to save us from the climate changing. These are the same people that claim a monopoly on facts, you know, the ones all up in arms about the climate changing,,,,

7. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

   7   2:58pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

8. jhall Follow Befriend (3) 23 threads 130 comments Minneapolis, MN

   8   3:03pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I posted an excerpt from the story to show the main point. It's a good story, should you choose to read it. Global warming has everything to do with our lifestyle, and China's, and India's... But those companies that profit from drilling for, refining, and selling oil are huge roadblocks in affecting change. They are desperately fighting to keep drilling - even though the temperature on this planet is increasing - and they have money and power on their side. Would carmakers build more fuel-efficient cars if the oil companies cut production? I think they would...

9. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

   9   3:15pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Nuclear is the answer. You cannot ask someone to act against its own interest. It is not right for a company not to seek profits.

10. PockyClipsNow Follow Befriend 19 threads 1,536 comments Los Angeles, CA

    10   3:17pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Yes its now 'global climate change'. So any flood now means we should bicycle to work? redonkulous of course. I miss back when disasters were 'acts of god'.

11. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    11   3:20pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Or Global X. If you get dumped by your girlfriend we all pay a higher tax.

12. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    12   4:09pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   jhall says But those companies that profit from drilling for, refining, and selling oil are huge roadblocks in affecting change. Surely you're referring to Saudi Aramco and PDVSA, not small-time punks like ExxonMobil and Shell. Right? AGW is happening. The only way to meaningfully slow CO2 emissions is with nuclear power. Wind and solar are too diffuse. See this site for some sobering reality: http://www.withouthotair.com/

13. futuresmc Follow Befriend (1) 1 threads 400 comments Buffalo, NY

    13   4:58pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Peter P says It is not right for a company not to seek profits. Nobody's asking them not to seek profits, just not to buy legislation and tax subsidies.

14. jhall Follow Befriend (3) 23 threads 130 comments Minneapolis, MN

    14   5:03pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Surely you're referring to Saudi Aramco and PDVSA, not small-time punks like ExxonMobil and Shell. Right? This story addresses American corporations, so I'll leave the Saudis and Venezuelans out of this discussion. We've given American corporations the rights of individuals, so shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions? Behave in a moral, ethical way, as we expect of our citizens and be prosecuted when they don't? I didn't agree with the decision to grant them citizen's rights, but now that we have, let's hold them accountable. And I posted this story because I look to Patrick for links to stories I might have missed. I'll check out the link you posted.

15. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    15   5:10pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   It is not illegal to be immoral.

16. jhall Follow Befriend (3) 23 threads 130 comments Minneapolis, MN

    16   5:34pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Peter P says It is not illegal to be immoral. Point taken. But when one's actions harms others or goes against the greater good, the public deserves to be protected. Corporations have been held responsible for cleaning up their messes, and they should be held accountable for preventing further harm.

17. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    17   5:37pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   jhall says Peter P says It is not illegal to be immoral. Point taken. But when one's actions harms others or goes against the greater good, the public deserves to be protected. Corporations have been held responsible for cleaning up their messes, and they should be held accountable for preventing further harm. Arguably "greater good" caused more harm than greed in human history. We must tread carefully. Nothing is scarier than a mob thinking they are doing God's work.

18. errc Follow Befriend (7) 30 threads 1,267 comments 31 male Premium

    18   5:41pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Well then, now that "we're all in this together" with AHA, will you have the gubbmint line up all those gluttonous fatties, have them hanged, drawn, and quartered? And then, we feast! All that succulent lard, mmmmmmm mmmm

19. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    19   5:47pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Huh?

20. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    20   5:54pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   jhall says We've given American corporations the rights of individuals Which is insane, I agree. jhall says so shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions? Behave in a moral, ethical way, as we expect of our citizens and be prosecuted when they don't? Who get's to decide what is "moral" and "ethical"? We're live in a relativistic, amoral society where the only thing that matters is raw power and how much you can "get away with." In America, might makes right. jhall says But when one's actions harms others or goes against the greater good, the public deserves to be protected. I agree. But good luck convincing corporate lobbyists and the politicians they own.

21. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    21   5:55pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   errc says Well then, now that "we're all in this together" with AHA Take on me...

22. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    22   6:23pm Tue 24 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   errc says "we're all in this together" It reminds me of Virgin America's silly song.