Free contraception for women provision of Obama health care law starts today
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Fantastic. This will improve the lives of many women, with HIV counseling, domestic violence counseling, HPV testing, and birth control for those who choose it. This is how a civilized society cares for its citizens.
It's a good day for American women.
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Free abortions for all! (seriously this would be good!)
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jhall says
Um are you going to stand in the bedroom while people do the nasty and force the guy to put the raincoat back on, when he rips it off, and tells Irene "We don't need no stinking Devil Glove!"?
Are you going to give every trailer trash tart and ghetto queen a ride to the corner drug store to get contraception? Or will it require a doctors prescription?
Look the point is, birth control in this country has been practically free for decades in this country, for anyone that truly needed, or more importantly WANTED the help.
It IS how ever a crappy pot sweetener to politicize to make the AHCA seem like it's worth the price of admission.
For your average middle class healthy family, it just means $16,000 a year they are mandated to spend on a 50 cent condom.
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The Affordable Health Care Act does a lot more than just provide birth control to women. Many women don't get mammograms, pap smears, early pregnancy care, etc., because they can't afford to. And many of the women who don't get that care are middle class! This isn't just an issue of income, but of health care (or lack, thereof). Many plans don't provide the services that this act insures.
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Your portrayal of women is appalling.
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You mean the same ones that will be paying $1400 a month, every month, for ever now? Well I said $1400 but that's right now, after a 105% increase in premium just since Obama took office, who knows what it will be by 2014.
Listen as someone that pays doctor visits, medicine and all other health related things, out of pocket, I don't think a pap smear is anywhere near $1400 or just one premium payment. If those middle class young women can't afford that, well they haven't seen nothing yet.
The new routine will be work like a dog to pay your premium and rent to Iwog. There will be no such thing as disposable income.
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I strongly support contraception.
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I'm assuming that the $1400 you mention is the figure most often cited that families with health insurance pay annually to cover the uninsured.
If you assume that most middle-class families have health insurance, they're already paying that $1400 a month -- it's built into their premiums. So they're paying for the uninsured, but can't afford to go to the doctor every time care is needed, or must pay a co-payment for the visit, or are told that the service isn't covered at all under their plan.
Estimates are that 47 million women will benefit from the Affordable Care Act. The treatment they'll receive isn't "free" -- but 100 percent covered in their policies -- no co-pay, no refusal of treatment, no need to worry that the family can't afford the extra money for Health Care that moms and daughters need. And that includes checkups, screening for disease, counseling -- services that many women had to pay for and may have skipped.
Everyone with health insurance has seen their premiums go up. That's not going to change until we get insurance agents out of doctors' offices. Personally, I was hoping for single-payer health coverage, but that's not what passed...
And if you want to demonize anyone in the health care debate, go after the insurance companies. Their greed is what forced the government to step in with regulation.
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jhall says
Fuck never mind, you don't see any problem with your average middle class family being saddled with a $1400 a month burden, especially after we just determined, that seems to be the upper limit most can afford in Mortgage payment let a lone rent.
Then I'm obviously having this discussion with the wrong Liberal schill.
Happy Liberalling or what ever in the hell it is you Clowns do at Starbucks with your $12 coffee.
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CaptainShuddup says
I'm off to Starbucks for my skinny cinnamon dolce latte...
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All other type of free crap for women comes into effect as well. Of course, insurance companies how have to charge women the same rates as men, so men are picking up the tab for this as well. It's all part of the Democrat party's war on men.
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Colbert was right! It's WHORE O'CLOCK in America.
All the women on the bus were sitting with their knees behind their ears and waving their tongues at me.
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How come men don't get free condoms?
I want multi colors, we spend a ton of money on decorations when ever there's a party over at the Tedsters.
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Guys don't need them any more.
Exactly as the Kenyan Interloper planned.
All the white people will be pestorking themselves into a coma while islamofascists everywhere breed like rabbits to overwhelm Christendom.
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APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says
This must also be why he supports gay marriage. (its the best birth control evar!)
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Yeah birth control upside, less unwanted pregnancies. Downside, the pill etc. have adverse health effects.
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PockyClipsNow says
That's true but Obama's preferred white population suppression scheme is to simply break into maternity wards and eat all the white babies. While wearing a hijab. Before gay sex with islamofascists.
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The point is there are some small things in the health care that are good but making everyone pay for something that only some use when there is no benefit to the person paying, is wrong that is fascist, a true example of what fascism actually is. Women are charged more or vice versa because of what they are born with. They have different needs and therefore different costs. It is a choice that a person makes whether or not to have sex with whomever and however many times you want. The same goes for the guys, if you can't pay for your own contraception which is extremely affordable than what else do you have that you can give up to afford your contraception.
You say those who don't have health care and don't want or need it are irresponsible. What your supporting is forcing them to buy or pay tax to cover the cost of YOUR health care for your own irresponsibility. Separate but equal, you all have the equal access to buy what you can afford and if you can't, the ability to make more money to do so. Maybe you will have to work a little harder. However you are also separate in your own basic needs, because everyone is born different with different needs. It is your parents responsibility to teach you this and unfortunate that they have not. If you require something for your own physiology and expect that someone or some group of people will never use, such that guys will never need a papsmear, than you need to accept it and say hey that's life. It's unfortunate but why should a male be expected to pay for that. Likewise if you cant be responsible and go out and buy an easily affordable box of condoms than you should do what everyone else should do and either get an additional job or work harder in you current job to get a promotion or find other ways to achieve your goal without expecting it of someone else. One of the two of you who have sex should be the paying for birth control.
I'll tell you something personal to. I am a young man and I have been supporting my own father pay for his hospital out of pocket because we chose not to have insurance. This is not because its not available for his condition or we can't get coverage for it. We saw what we would have to pay per year for insurance coverage for a bunch of phantom garbage that he would never use and we went to the hospital and said we don't have insurance how much is this going to cost out of pocket. We ended up over the course of three years paying (only for the products services and care he actually used) saving 37% making payments direct to the hospital. He almost died twice because of the infections he had, they saved his life twice and he had to spend several weeks in there. All this care cutting out the middle man saved us a fortune. My dad could very well die soon and he isn't even 60 yet. I also went out and looked for a house as well so that before my dad dies he could at least have a piece of the American dream and be able to live in something we owned instead of paying rent. My dad was always foolish when it came to credit cards and such and had horrible credit. He alone was also my sole provider because my mother ran out on me when I was 2. From the day I turned 18 I got a job and I worked hard and showed leadership by teaching and training others taking responsibility for my own actions and was promoted by my female store manager because I showed that leadership and commitment to the job. I also aided others by telling those below me what they could do to move up which was what I had done to do so. Those that did listen to me helped THEMSELVES get promoted, some even above me. This was done by teamwork. I only made 30,000 a year. I also was able to get two new cars and make monthly payments on them so that we had something reliable to drive to and from work. My sister who moved in with us to help us and save herself some money is making about 12,000 per year. However I have lost that job and had to take an available full time job at a slightly lower pay. I now make enough to afford what I have and the bare essentials like food and toiletries etc. I gave up my health care insurance to help my dad and make payments to his care costs. I am healthy don't require care that often. I was paying as low as 53.00 a month or 636.00 a year. It was not feasable for me to pay that much when I got strep throat once that year along with a couple colds. I went in for strep throat payed 153.00 to urgent care and got a prescription for which I payed another 50.00. So instead of paying 636.00 For something that might happen I payed 203.00 for what actually happened. that extra $433.00 that I saved and earned I put toward my dad and a little something for myself cause I deserved it. However that's me and I realize everyone is different and unfortunately some have severe health problems and requires different care, that is why you have parents to rely on to help and guide you or the WILLING CHARITY of others, and most of all your own nature to do what YOU choose to do and the common sense to choose what is right in this free will society. I am responsible for my own actions. It is not a right of you to tell me what I need to buy or tax me for not buying something when you can go out and seek the care you need and a job to pay for it. Buy a couple birth pills that you think you need and rarely actually do and expect the cost to be laid or shared with someone else that has nothing to do with it, infringing on my rights. So now I will be required to pay for something I don't need because of someone elses irresponsibility and failure to do something simple like keeping your legs closed or fork over a couple bucks for condoms. I make exactly enough to afford what I have earned. So I have a house and a new car making payments monthly payments on them , my bare essentials and helping my father out. I will now have to go out and get insurance and pay for several provisions, things I don't want or need to use and be FORCED to afford insurance and also my dad will be forced into this and pay whatever he would have to and more when this actually takes effect in 2014? The point is any amount is to much. So you are making me lose what I have worked for in the last 7 years since turning 18 to pay for you. Even if I get it back in some kind of tax credit at the end of the year which I won't or it's made affordable when I can only just afford what I have now does not matter. I have the RIGHT to not let my RIGHTS be infringed upon by someone elses FALSE DELUSIONAL RIGHT such as having to pay others health care. Your saying to bad huh I am white and I am a man I don't deserve it. This is totally wrong and this is something that effects me personally. That is why I will not be voting for Obama this November cause although I am one and he does not need my vote to win I know there are others out there like me and I will vote to also help them. Papsmears and mammograms are plenty available and affordable right now if it costs you a little more to bad I should not have to pay for it.
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I resubmitted this comment as it was previously removed way to stiffle someone elses side of the story.
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So, now that all women have contraception, they shouldn't be able to sue men for child support. An unwanted pregnancy is now their negligence, not mine.
Let females go into the free market and choose a plan that provides these benefits. If a woman is post-menopausal, and has been married for fifty years, she should be able to pick a cheaper plan that doesn't include these benefits. If another woman decides to be celibate for life, she shouldn't be forced to subsidize her cunting neighbors either.
How would these liberal women feel if they were forced to pay for male benefits? Suppose there is an ugly man who no woman wants to sleep with. Maybe we should pay to get him lapdances or a prostitute? Sex is important to the health of the mind and body, right? Sex reduces the odds of getting prostate cancer. Lets pay to get him plastic surgery. Men with short penises should get free enlargement operations.
Or, we can let each individual decide what benefits is best for them. Let them decide if it is worth it to pay more for that coverage. Similar to auto insurance. I shouldn't pay the same rate as the 22 year old dude who has a dozen speeding tickets and three dui's. I shouldn't be forced to pay for full coverage on my twenty year old piece of junk.
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That's why I said there is some good things in this law such as coverage for mammas and papsmears making it more available. But they are available now that's why you pick your own plan. Everyone should pay for the care they use when they actually need it and use it without shifting a cost to someone else through tax or mandate. Women pay different rates for different needs if it's to expensive give up another luxury to pay for it. If your plan is to expensive find another one and put in an effort to find one or quit whining. Take it up with the doctor directly and ask what goes into a papsmear that costs so much compared to a or why a mammogram cost more than a cancer test for men where you turn your head and cough. You guys just do not understand how wrong this is. As long as you have it you do not care who else you violate.
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Insurance companies exist because there was once a market for it. No one is to be demonized they sold a product and someone fell for it and bought it. It used to be that insurance was in case of large emergencies where you get a life threatening illness or an accident. People screamed and market forced to create policies so that they covered every little visit. This and the HMOs that create the high prices of everything. Insurance was never meant to have you pay a monthly payment and they cover everything people chose to do it and if they end up spending more money on insurance than what they actually need that's their problem. No body except hypochondriacs and the actual sick people need to go to the doctor everytime they get a scrape or a cold. If you need a mammogram or a papsmear than go once a year and use what should be your saving account to pay that small amount. Make sure you say I'm paying from my own pocket so there is no insurance involved what the actual rate of the care I received. Nine times out of ten you will end up paying less a year everytime you went, than having insurance for everything all the time. Insurance companies are always going to the money cause people buy it foolishly than buying what they need. Every paycheck you get of any amount there is no reason at all that everyone can't put away 5-10% of it into a saving account for a rainy day fund. Maybe you have to give up a small luxury to be responsible and that is on you not someone else. There is always cheaper places to live or parents, friends, family, roomates, go to the local library for internet, give full coverage car insurance, save on gas by walking once or twice a week if you can to work, buying canned food instead of fresh, give up your cable or satelite. Eat healthier or the serving size of the food you eat to avoid the health problems in the first place and quit watching your tv go out and meet the neighbors walk around the neighborhood. Avoid accidents by using what was once called common sense use a seatbelt go the speed limit and pay attention to the road your driving on not your cell phone or your coffee, so you don't hit little johnny down the road forcing him to have to go to the hospital whose parents don't have health insurance. Pay attention to your kids who are outside by themselves and then wonder why they get hurt for wondering into the street or wind up in a gang who gives them whatever self satisfaction they needed but did not get from you the parent, teach them the morals you should teach them. Be a responsible person and teach self reliance to those who can be and to help the REAL crippled people that can't, not the lazy ones who just don't want to do anything. Government is NOT responsible for your well being YOU are and the decisions YOU make that shape it. The only thing this federal government was ever meant to be responsible for is to give you freedom and protect the freedom to choose your own path and states to regulate protection laws to protect us from each other as it needs like speed limits etc. Obama and his allies are not our dad or husband responsible for giving us services or bailing out companies. They failed on there own and they need to except that they were wrong. All this inexperienced person is doing (even though his intentions are good) is ruining this republic destroying jobs by saving the limb and killing the body through its infection because his lack of interest in private business and overwhelming government growth. Growing government means higher taxes to pay those salaries putting the burden unto private sector business and workers. Government is not self sustaining cause whatever taxes a public employee pays in is a fraction they don't sustain their own income and the only way they keep a job is by taking money from private sector tax payers. Most provide awesome great services and are necessary to sustain our culture private sector is paying them, not themselves. Healthcare is not the only issue here but the entitlement of our culture that thinks government or someone else has to pay the way of someone else. Please take this to heart.
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Lol, birth control pills are not a contraceptive, they are a disease spreader.
That's why the package includes HPV DNA testing, STI counseling, HIV screening, birthing support, and domestic violence support. The whole package just feeds off itself.
What about men?, oh, hell who cares about the men, they can take care of themselves, and just pay for all this sexual freedom through payroll taxes, while the girls are all out screwing the smooth talking pretty boy alpha's.
What a screwed up society ..
Oh, and the diabetes, have you seen how big some of these women are getting today, holy crap!, thanks to things like feminism, women don't have to take care of themselves anymore either.
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Oh No! Just read the word fascist, which reminds me of the health care that Republicans are getting in Congress that I help pay for & cannot acquire as these freeloaders do.
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You generalize republicans like you have health care. It's not just them, its everyone in government including liberals that get the same access to care its a whole issue not a part issue. If you don't like it vote all incumbents out on both sides not just one side. It's mostly career politicians who make money doing so and have never worked or at least not for a long time in the private sector. Don't just listen to the media read the laws that they are passing for yourselves and not just the portions that the media spews that are good, leaving out the downfalls.
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Lol, you can't vote them out on both sides, nobody is going to vote green party or libertarian!
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The healthcare and benefits they receive from our taxes is everyone in senate and government of that level. Liberals and conservatives whomever matters not. Its something everyone had interest in and somewhat of a consensus. I never saw anything on a ballet where I get to vote for what government benefits are in senate or house that says how much they make and what it costs the taxpayer. They vote on that stuff and make tax laws. On one hand its good cause it protects the people in power should anything happen to them until the next election. It gets them back on their feet asap so they can represent who they were voted in by, to represent. Don't take bits and pieces from something like that and throw it in as just one party that does it. This only proves that in order to win you will spread lies by omitting parts of the whole truth just to make your case. Don't try race bating in the form liberal versus conservative with me. Don't generalize me just cause I'm white and male that I hate women or anyone else. Their is people from all types sexes, races, or creeds that don't like somebody for something that does NOT mean they all feel the same way about everything. It is those who do that such as you in this instance that stereotype.
"In fascism Levels of consumption are dictated by the federal government or common state( general government) , and any excess incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.” Fascism embodies both parties to the extreme. To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production."http://econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
Although on the right level infrastructure is needed but not to the extreme to just create jobs when there is no need for them just to claim high employment numbers. I say again that the role of government and constitution is to protect our unalienable rights to protect our own selves and our goals of happiness without infringing on the rights or goods of another. If you choose to give everything you make to charity and live a life of poverty do not expect that someone else should have to do the same. You are you and require different needs or wants than someone else.
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I said vote out the incumbents if you are in a district with conservative as incumbent and liberal if they are incumbent party matters not just get new people in there. However your right that no one will do this though they will just sit and complain but do nothing within their legal rights such as voting while they still have them.
There is no reason to resort to stealing and name calling of someone just cause they are a have and your a have not if you want something you have to right to pursue your want and your OWN happiness. Earn it through hard work and dedication if you have a great idea patent it and get investors to start up and sell it or earn and save the money to do so. George Washington Carver had so many hardships especially in that time of real racism but he did not give up. He had great ideas of how to make things better for everyone without taking from someone else. He didn't sit around and say poor me he took control of his own life despite what happened to him and made a name for himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver
I use him as an individual not because he's black in general but because in lieu of all the racism he saw and experienced he sought to enhance the lives of others by teaching them how they could help themselves.
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Yeah! I can't wait. Rush Limbaugh promised that once this happened, all the women in the world will start having enormous amounts of sex to make use of all the contraception they'll get for free! Supposedly, you'll be able to walk up to any woman on in a bar and she'll bang your brains out right there. And you won't even have to buy her a drink. Can't wait! Obama just got my vote!
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Ooooh Unintended consequences of Ass biting, I love it.
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Women's health issues affect EVERYONE! If that "trailer trash" woman decides to let Bubba go for gold one night and the trailer gets to rocking, the product of that decision could be 1) a baby, 2) an abortion, or 3) a wet spot on the sheets.
I know which one I would rather see, but opinions may vary. The health of the child-bearing portion of our population is the most critical issue to any nation, and has been since civilizations began. Power of nations has always been measured, not in soldiers, swords, or bullets, but in uteruses.
So many people get to this point in their maturity and conveniently forget that their lives were made possible by a simple woman.
Have you hugged your mom lately?
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Who is stopping them? However why should someone else pay for it when its cheaper and more readily available at the store out of pocket? If they choose to have a baby with Bubba that must mean they are mature enough to do so right? What is wrong with the system right now where they can't pay for their own child? Without generalizing show me a specific person in specific town with specific needs, show me her insurance costs or medical cause no insurance, compared to an honest monthly budget. There is no reason they need to be digging in my pocket. When I get married that is whos health care I should have to pay for. The system we have right now is not so broken that this can't be done but when AHCA finally comes into power things are going to be worse for some and slightly better for others.
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I found good things in your long anecdote post above, and I think this would also be solved (at least to a large degree) with a single payer system, which I prefer to what "ObamaCare" ended up as.
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Where was that great post Patrick had... It was about a true cash system for treatment and physicians would have to inform you of most costs up front...
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One of the problems is that since HMOs took place back in the 50's you will have a hard time finding any doctor that knows what the care actually costs. They need to just order the tests and if they don't know what the cost is if you ask, they have plausible deniability to say that the reason they didn't do a particular test was because the patient could not afford it. When we get to this new health commity stuff where doctors have to go through more hoops to get someone the care they need it will cause more people to go without the care they need or wait so long that their condition gets worse waiting for approval.
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So now with this AHCA or Obamacare whatever you want to call it, is it right when I who am just able to get by with what I make. I have enough to eat a couple new cars, and a house that I pay a mortgage on and helping my father pay his cheaper hospital bills because we didn't want the more expensive insurance. I buy what I can afford and nothing more cause with my job now and all of our household income we make NOW $35,000- 38,000 a year. The household has about $50-$75 a month extra to put into savings for my own medical care, should I need it, and god forbid if I wanted to go to a movie which I never do. I may have some luxuries yes but I ACTUALLY earned them and right now am still able to afford them. When this Obamacare mandate actually comes through in 2014 not only would I have to pay a tax on health care BUT I will still have to pay a tax and pay for more care than I would actually use or someone elses care. Cause now having to pay that tax not only am I still not actually covered BUT if I need to go to the hospital for strep like I did last time(see previous quote) I still have to pay that out of pocket in addition to whatever the tax is going to be. The real sad thing is it's still going to be cheaper than actually getting insurance. So now if everything else stays the same in 2014 I will have 2 years worth of payments to make on one of my new cars the earliest of which contract is up in 2016. I got it in 2010 and by 2014 I will have made four years worth of payments with two left. If Obamacare stays in effect I would have to give up this or something else THAT I WORKED FOR to pay for someone elses healthcare or "free" birth control or mammograms cause they were born into a body that needs particular care or is to lazy to shop around or give up the unhealthy junk food that causes them to have health problems in the first place? Is this "fair" is this the the american dream? I have to much and have to give it back just to pay for someone else who isn't responsible? No one is denied care in the emergency room and it makes me wonder how many illegal immigrants go in and use it. What do we have an estimated 11 million unreported illegal immigrants in this country I don't remember. I have nothing against them but the problem remains that many show up and get care then skip out asap or have a fake id so when they get billed it's a fake address. I know alot of them don't even file a tax return so not only are they getting the care they still do not have to pay for it. I didn't choose where I was born and neither did they but we all have what we have and it's the way it is. Then ARIZONA passes a state law to help protect the states citizens and interests so that they check id's of whom they believe are illegal immigrants. They get crap from the federal government saying there is already a federal law to protect you but yet they don't enforce it. Illegal immigrants also are not supposed to be able to collect welfare but they do. Because of this country and its past we have to be worried about discrimination but are blind to real discrimination and how much we are being taken advantage of. You can get into this country legally but you might have to wait or put in a little more effort. I know I got off on another tangent but if anyone truly believes that these are all separate issues they are only fooling themselves. If you want to help someone out so much then do it you pay for it. When it comes time to put up or shut up the ones who sream the loudest don't. The reason you only see movie stars going to third world countries is because many of them already have millions and get more than 2 or 3 weeks of vacation time from their job. If there was a charity to donate to that taught a country how to feed themselves or work instead of just showing up and giving them food I would spend my $50 extra a month and donate to that. That to me would be preferable instead of just blind charity where we give them food and they do nothing but wait for the next time they come. It's sickening that this new healthcare law is what it is and an attack on my personal freedom to penalize me for someone elses fake "right" or false entitlement. If it was a personal expense that forced me to give up a car or something I earned than I say to bad for me, but it's not, it's me having to give up something I earned to give it to someone else in some way with no benefit to myself. American dream? How about all the businesses that are going to be effected and how much are prices going to have to rise to cover that or jobs cut to have that money to spend on everyone elses healthcare that works there. Obama doesn't know what he doing, or worse yet he does and is doing it on purpose. Still American dream? No its not.