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Theater of the Absurd Mitt Romney Wants Reid to Prove Romney Didn't Pay Taxes


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  1. xrpb11a


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    191   8:43pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    After what I've read on this forum, I just wanted to cover all bases...

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    And the pictures you have a weird.

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    192   8:47pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Agreed. There is no evidence that harry reid committed murder, therefore, there is no reason to suspect that reid is guilty of murder.....

    just as there is no evidence, that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years, therefore there is no reason to suspect that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years.

    iwog says

    Cloud says

    Let's get someone to call a reporter and say Harry Reid may have committed murder.

    That would be stupid. There's no reason to suspect Harry Reid is guilty of a murder. No motive, no violent history, no witnesses, no body, no nothing.

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    Are you shitting me?

    When you have accounts managed out of the Caymans and Switzerland (and, if there, you are in Macau and Vanuatu as well, let's get real) your ultimate goal is zero tax burden.

    Unless Romney and his people are incompetent, most every year he can count loss making and end up paying no taxes or getting tax credits.

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    194   9:49pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    just as there is no evidence, that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years, therefore there is no reason to suspect that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years.

    But apparently there is evidence according to an investor at Bain. But Romney could refute this claim by providing the returns. You can't get that concept can you?

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    195   9:49pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    All speculation, not evidence.
    but to go further with your argument, all the leftist haters here are claiming romney is incompetent, so even if he was in a position to not pay any taxes, from your assertion below he would be too stupid to take advantage of it.

    APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

    Are you shitting me?

    When you have accounts managed out of the Caymans and Switzerland (and, if there, you are in Macau and Vanuatu as well, let's get real) your ultimate goal is zero tax burden.

    Unless Romney and his people are incompetent, most every year he can count loss making and end up paying no taxes or getting tax credits.

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    196   9:53pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I completely understand the concept you put forth.
    but just saying "some investor said it" is totally worthless and does nothing to further your assertion.
    Bring forth some real proof, any proof, and this argument can move forward.

    bgamall4 says

    xrpb11a says

    just as there is no evidence, that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years, therefore there is no reason to suspect that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years.

    But apparently there is evidence according to an investor at Bain. But Romney could refute this claim by providing the returns. You can't get that concept can you?

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    197   9:57pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    Bring forth some real proof, any proof, and this argument can move forward.

    Romney needs to bring forth the proof. He is sitting on the proof. Is Romney paying you minimum wage to post this garbage? Or are you doing so for free which makes even less sense?

    Romney can prove or disprove the allegations. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If he refuses he will not be elected president as people are furious. He is an idiot, a moron, and maybe even a Cretin. He is brainless, as are the people who defend that which has no defense. There is no defense for Romney because he sits on the truth, and has the returns in his little hand. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? What is wrong with your inability to grasp the obvious?

  8. xrpb11a


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    198   10:00pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Everyone here trying to defend Reid always winds up saying that it is Romney's obligation to provide tax returns because he is running for president, as a defense for reid's comment.

    I don't give a damn about romney showing or not showing 10 years worth of tax returns.
    I do give a damn about reid making accusations for which there is no proof or reasonable suspicion whatsoever.

    They are two separate issues. Using romney's nondisclosure to justify reid's slanderous remarks just doesn't cut it.

    bgamall4 says

    xrpb11a says

    just as there is no evidence, that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years, therefore there is no reason to suspect that romney paid 0 taxes for 10 years.

    But apparently there is evidence according to an investor at Bain. But Romney could refute this claim by providing the returns. You can't get that concept can you?

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    199   10:02pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    I don't give a damn about romney showing or not showing 10 years worth of tax returns

    If Romney did indeed make over 100 million and not pay one cent in taxes, there's not a snowball's chance in hell he'll be elected.

    You must have some contempt for people who actually work for a living.

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    200   10:03pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    There you go again!
    Using romneys nondisclosure to justify reid's slanderous remarks.
    two separate issues.

    bgamall4 says

    xrpb11a says

    Bring forth some real proof, any proof, and this argument can move forward.

    Romney needs to bring forth the proof. He is sitting on the proof. Is Romney paying you minimum wage to post this garbage? Or are you doing so for free which makes even less sense?

    Romney can prove or disprove the allegations. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If he refuses he will not be elected president as people are furious. He is an idiot, a moron, and maybe even a Cretin. He is brainless, as are the people who defend that which has no defense. There is no defense for Romney because he sits on the truth, and has the returns in his little hand. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? What is wrong with your inability to grasp the obvious?

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    201   10:07pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    No, I just trust in the IRS, controlled by the department of the treasury, in turn controlled by the Obama white house, to thoroughly vet Romney's tax returns and make sure everything is legal and above board.

    The bigger question is, why don't you trust Obama on this??

    iwog says

    xrpb11a says

    I don't give a damn about romney showing or not showing 10 years worth of tax returns

    If Romney did indeed make over 100 million and not pay one cent in taxes, there's not a snowball's chance in hell he'll be elected.

    You must have some contempt for people who actually work for a living.

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    202   10:09pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    No, I just trust in the IRS, controlled by the department of the treasury, in turn controlled by the Obama white house, to thoroughly vet Romney's tax returns and make sure everything is legal and above board.

    It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. If Romney paid zero in taxes and yet is one of the richest men in the world, it vindicates everything Obama has said and destroys every idiot who's ever said the words "class war".

    Utterly in fact.

    "STOP MAKING THIS A CLASS WAR!!!! YOU FUCKERS WHO LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK SEND YOUR MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE AINT GONNA SEND A CENT!"

    ~ Love, Mitt Romney

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    203   10:11pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    The bigger question is, why don't you trust Obama on this??

    That's actually not a bigger question, that's a retarded question unless you ACTUALLY think Obama us auditing tax returns.

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    204   10:17pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Well, Obama has all the evidence in his hands. All he has to say is "Mitt, you did not pay any taxes on 100 million of income. I've seen your returns."

    He's allowed to do this now. Reid set the precedent.

    All private information in government records is now no longer private.
    I guess we will finally be able to look up your tax returns and read about all those houses you own, thoroughly vetting your real estate empire...

    iwog says

    xrpb11a says

    No, I just trust in the IRS, controlled by the department of the treasury, in turn controlled by the Obama white house, to thoroughly vet Romney's tax returns and make sure everything is legal and above board.

    It doesn't matter if it's legal or not. If Romney paid zero in taxes and yet is one of the richest men in the world, it vindicates everything Obama has said and destroys every idiot who's ever said the words "class war".

    Utterly in fact.

    "STOP MAKING THIS A CLASS WAR!!!! YOU FUCKERS WHO LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK SEND YOUR MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE AINT GONNA SEND A CENT!"

    ~ Love, Mitt Romney

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    205   10:20pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    Well, Obama has all the evidence in his hands. All he has to say is "Mitt, you did not pay any taxes on 100 million of income. I've seen your returns.

    1. He's not allowed to do that. Tax returns are not public domain.
    2. It would be political suicide to do that since it would change the focus from Mitt Romney's arrogance at living a tax free life to Obama's violation of privacy and the law.
    3. Reid didn't set any precedent, unless you're making the argument that breaking the law sets a precedent for others to break the law. Really?

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    hmmm. it's all starting to make sense now.....
    Obama has Treasury look into IRS records of romney, and pass that information along for reid to disclose, since reid is expendable being over 100 years old...
    Gee, you could be on to something!

    iwog says

    xrpb11a says

    The bigger question is, why don't you trust Obama on this??

    That's actually not a bigger question, that's a retarded question unless you ACTUALLY think Obama us auditing tax returns.

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    iwog says

    xrpb11a says

    Well, Obama has all the evidence in his hands. All he has to say is "Mitt, you did not pay any taxes on 100 million of income. I've seen your returns.

    1. He's not allowed to do that. Tax returns are not public domain.
    he did it anyhow....another watergate..
    2. It would be political suicide to do that since it would change the focus from Mitt Romney's arrogance at living a tax free life to Obama's violation of privacy and the law. he has reid disclose everything and take the fall, insulating himself. reid is expendable being over 100 years old

    3. Reid didn't set any precedent, unless you're making the argument that breaking the law sets a precedent for others to break the law. Really?

    Reid set the precedent of the government disclosing private tax documents. It's the only way he could know of romney's $0 taxes paid over the past 10 years. the "investor told me" story just doesn't cut it.

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    iwog says

    If Romney did indeed make over 100 million and not pay one cent in taxes, there's not a snowball's chance in hell he'll be elected.

    You must have some contempt for people who actually work for a living.

    We have a Senator and a President who would lie to the American public
    to hold on to power... do you think the electorate will stand for that ?

    LOL! and above comment ... Harry Reid .. the gift that keeps giving... is true!

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    209   1:35am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    kentm says

    Here's something we currently KNOW is in illegal territory: Romney has an IRA that at most can have no more a few hundred thousand contains multiple millions. What's the truth of how THAT happened?...

    Actually its NOT illegal.. in fact ANYONE could with a few thousand dollars grow to over couple million in a few years due to the stock market crash in 2000-2002 and again with market crash in 2008-2010. I bought back in 2002-03 post crash software stock in my IRA account. On average i made 12x my investment. I bought stock that was at book value.. cash for cash! Later it skyrocketed.

    If you worked at Las Vegas Sands in 2008 and had $100K cash in your 401K, and your employer allowed you to buy LVS stock in your 401K ( or non-employees with their IRA account ) you could easily snagged $2.5M from $100K cash. LVS crashed to $2/share and later recovered to $50 per share. 401K or IRA it doesnt matter, the two crashes we had was a great buying events ever.

    Secondly, there are no restrictions on what securities you can purchase, you have in your 401K/IRA account. He could as easily purchased gold in his accounts. Romney have also added start up/private stock investments and later sold them after they went public. Many VCs and their clients invest their own funds which could be placed in IRA accounts.

    It is no different had this been a founder in their own private company... later to go public. Yes.. the limit is $15K or so per year.. but each share as private company stock was .15 per share later to go public and trade above say $50/share.
    Google, Facebook, etc, etc etc founder do the same thing!

    Rare, but not unheard of..

    Journalist are not Accountants, nor do they speak as Accountants! They are Jack Asses!

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    210   1:39am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    hmmm. it's all starting to make sense now.....
    Obama has Treasury look into IRS records of romney, and pass that information along for reid to disclose, since reid is expendable being over 100 years old...
    Gee, you could be on to something!

    Yes.. Chicago style politics!

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    I'm confused why we hate Romney for being savvy with his money. If you had millions and millions of dollars, and the country had loopholes in place where you could avoid paying tax dollars on most of that money, wouldn't you do it? I'm pretty sure everyone would, including Obama.

    The problem isn't that Romney is avoiding taxes, the problem is that it's so easy to do so. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Taxpayers should be screaming at Congress to close any and all loopholes.

    As for this being a negative when it comes to voting for him or Obama based on character, what did you expect? They are obviously both huge douchebags. As long as you vote Democrat or Republican, you will always get a huge doucebag in office.

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    We don't "hate him" for being savvy with his money. I think this has been stated over and over again. The way many people feel is that they deeply mistrust him because it's fucking impossible to get a straight answer from him on seemingly ANYTHING. It's got nothing to do with the amount of his wealth.

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    Well now....this just picks the peanuts out of the horseshit argument the rabid red diaper doper baby crowd blathers on and on about....namely that romney could not have legally amassed huge amount of cash in his ira...
    Guess there's no need to see those tax returns after all.

    Case Closed.

    thomaswong.1986 says

    Actually its NOT illegal.. in fact ANYONE could with a few thousand dollars grow to over couple million in a few years due to the stock market crash in 2000-2002 and again with market crash in 2008-2010.

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    ps. Since this case has been closed, Harry is forgiven for lying to the collective...

    xrpb11a says

    Well now....this just picks the peanuts out of the horseshit argument the rabid red diaper doper baby crowd blathers on and on about....namely that romney could not have legally amassed huge amount of cash in his ira...

    Guess there's no need to see those tax returns after all.

    Case Closed.

    thomaswong.1986 says

    Actually its NOT illegal.. in fact ANYONE could with a few thousand dollars grow to over couple million in a few years due to the stock market crash in 2000-2002 and again with market crash in 2008-2010.

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    StoutFiles says

    I'm confused why we hate Romney for being savvy with his money. If you had millions and millions of dollars, and the country had loopholes in place where you could avoid paying tax dollars on most of that money, wouldn't you do it?

    So you are saying we should worship con-men and toss out all principles of fairness and equality before the law. We might as well let Bernie Madoff out of jail then and make him President.

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    216   8:15am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    How do you equate "con men" with "taking advantage of loopholes"??

    Vicente says

    So you are saying we should worship con-men

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    kentm says

    We don't "hate him" for being savvy with his money. I think this has been stated over and over again. The way many people feel is that they deeply mistrust him because it's fucking impossible to get a straight answer from him on seemingly ANYTHING. It's got nothing to do with the amount of his wealth.

    He's not very good at lying, I'll give you that. The others have mastered it.

    Vicente says

    So you are saying we should worship con-men and toss out all principles of fairness and equality before the law. We might as well let Bernie Madoff out of jail then and make him President.

    Worship them? I'm saying we should use this as an example of why the holes need to be closed. Romney isn't the only crooked politican, he's just one of the richest. The public should be outraged that the rich can hide thier money so easily and should be pushing Congress to stop this from happening.

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    How do you equate "crooked politician" with "taking advantage of loopholes"??

    I guarantee you anyone on this forum, faced with paying more taxes, or taking advantage of a particular loophole, will take the loophole every time.

    Which makes it very hypocritical of you to slander romney for doing it.

    StoutFiles says

    Romney isn't the only crooked politican

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    xrpb11a says

    namely that romney could not have legally amassed huge amount of cash in his ira...
    Guess there's no need to see those tax returns after all.

    You cant quite get this for some reason. Reid didn't, no do I or most people ( a few may) accuse Romney of illegal behavior. I am sure Romney has very good accountants and I would bet they have not violated any laws. I will agree that it is possible to legally grow an IRA to 100 million, my curiosity as a voter would like to see how he did this. No, he is not required by law to show me or the rest of the voters how this occurred, but I and the rest of the voters are not required to vote for someone to be arguably the most powerful person in the world who wont reveal such information. Hell it might help him to show how bloody sharp he is to amass such a huge IRA when the average joe cant even get to six figures. Romney has obviously calculated that what is in his Tax returns is more damaging politically then the flack he will take for not releasing them, If he wins on November 6 2012 he will be proved right.

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    Excellent post. I agree completely.

    You framed the issue without regurgitating non-factual information or hurling allegations based on innuendo.

    Excellent.

    rdm says

    xrpb11a says

    namely that romney could not have legally amassed huge amount of cash in his ira...
    Guess there's no need to see those tax returns after all.

    You cant quite get this for some reason. Reid didn't, no do I or most people ( a few may) accuse Romney of illegal behavior

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    221   9:46am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    xrpb11a says

    How do you equate "crooked politician" with "taking advantage of loopholes"??

    Because he IS crooked. You don't get this far in politics without kissing ass. I'm saying that out of all things to be mad at Romney for, this is the silliest. Let's close the loopholes and move on already.

    xrpb11a says

    I guarantee you anyone on this forum, faced with paying more taxes, or taking advantage of a particular loophole, will take the loophole every time.

    Agreed, that's what I said. Anyone would do it. It doesn't make it right though, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't prevent people and corporations from doing it.

    xrpb11a says

    Which makes it very hypocritical of you to slander romney for doing it.

    I slander all politicans equally. They are all lying bags of shit. Everything they do is about keeping their rich friends satisfied, and any scraps we get is the PR needed for reelection.

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    Here is an analogy that the republican used on Obama

    Obama was asked to produce his birth certificate and he went above and beyond the usual precedent by releasing his detailed birth certificate

    Romney was asked to release his taxes for the lat 10 years, which all the presidents normally do. He refuses.

    So the point is that Republicans are allowed to ask for above and beyond the normal and at the same time refuse to adhere to the set standards.

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    You will have to define what you mean by "right".

    Taking advantage of tax loopholes is legal, aboveboard, non-criminal, complying with existing law.

    "right" means different things to different people.

    StoutFiles says

    xrpb11a says

    I guarantee you anyone on this forum, faced with paying more taxes, or taking advantage of a particular loophole, will take the loophole every time.

    Agreed, that's what I said. Anyone would do it. It doesn't make it right though

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    Agreed. IMV, almost all politicians are "crooked"..ie "dishonest", specifically in positions that they take, and change at will based on what's currently popular with their constituency.

    StoutFiles says

    xrpb11a says

    How do you equate "crooked politician" with "taking advantage of loopholes"??

    Because he IS crooked. You don't get this far in politics without kissing ass.

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    225   10:27am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    comparing apples and oranges...

    Tim Aurora says

    Here is an analogy that the republican used on Obama

    Obama was asked to produce his birth certificate and he went above and beyond the usual precedent by releasing his detailed birth certificate

    Romney was asked to release his taxes for the lat 10 years, which all the presidents normally do. He refuses.

    So the point is that Republicans are allowed to ask for above and beyond the normal and at the same time refuse to adhere to the set standards.

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    xrpb11a says

    How do you equate "con men" with "taking advantage of loopholes"??

    Mittens being a con man goes far beyond just his tax dodging strategies. But it's a part of it.

    I realize that Richie Rich likes the benefits of living in America without paying taxes, but they ought not be allowed to feel RIGHTEOUS about it. I can stomach that I suppose, but it doesn't wash to let these same money-grubbing psychopaths run the country and decide policies that will further benefit the 1% at the expense of everyone else.

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    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/06/23/top-ten-rejected-obama-fundraising-schemes/

    BTW - why do libs attack other posters when responding to other posters comments? Its like every liberal response has a disparaging or derogatory comment thrown in. Why are lib's such miserable people?

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    because there ain't enough jobs to go around, and their guy is in hotseat......so distract...distract...distract.

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    Who cares what Harry Reid said. Talk about a stupid issue. People have been asking for Romney's tax records for months and he refuses to release them.

    All this does is keep this thing on the front page and keep people asking "what is Romney hiding?"

    Obama is going to win easily in November.

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    xrpb11a says

    Using romneys nondisclosure to justify reid's slanderous remarks.
    two separate issues.

    Only one issue matters. That is Romney's runnig for president and not showing his returns. Any other issue is not important. Reid is in his last term as a senator. He has a reputation of fighting the mob, like when he refused Gordon's bribe and when he got into Rosenthal's face. It is all on Wikipedia.

    No one cares about Reid's record except those who are trying to divert attention from Romney and that will prove futile.

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