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North polar icecap rushes to all time melt record

By iwog   Follow   Sun, 5 Aug 2012, 7:37am   16,017 views   287 comments
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You're going to be seeing headlines on this in about two weeks. That's when I'm guessing the arctic ice melt will reach an all time record and most of the arctic ocean will be free of ice and navigable.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

The blue starts in 1979. The more red the line, the more recent the year. (dark red is 2011) Each horizontal line is 1 million sq. kilometers. When the graph reaches the bottom, the north pole is completely melted. x-axis is day of the year.

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1. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

   248   3:55pm Tue 21 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   deepcgi says Yep. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Sure, ok. Humans make alot of it? I suppose so, yes. Is it "alot" compared to its percentage in the atmosphere? Not so much. In another thread the idea that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere are at "insignificant" levels was answered very elegantly... MarkInSF says The low sounding concentration of CO2 is irrelevant... How much visible light does an inch of air block? Almost nothing. How much does 1000 inches of air block? Almost nothing. How much does a 1 millimeter thick piece of tinted glass block? Quite a bit. CO2 is the tinted glass. The concentration of CO2 compared to N2 and O2 is irrelevant because N2 and O2 don't block infrared light. All that matters is the amount of tinted glass which blocks visible light. All that matters is the amount of CO2 which blocks infrared. What you are saying amounts to: "There are million inches of air between me and the sun. And only a millimeter of this tinted glass in my sun glasses. Therefore the tinted glass could not possibly have a significant effect on the amount of light reaching my eyes,"

2. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   249   9:02pm Tue 21 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Media attention is beginning to appear, just in time for the election season: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/20/climate-arctic-ice-idUSL2E8JKH9P20120820 http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/arctic-sea-ice-heads-for-record-low-as-melt-exceeds-forecasts

3. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 490 comments Alameda, CA

   250   9:57pm Tue 21 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   If it's LEGITIMATE pollution, nature has ways to try to shut the whole thing down.

4. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   251   9:05am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike

5. deepcgi Follow Befriend 98 comments

   252   9:43am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   You're not paying attention. The increase in the C02 is absolutely man-made. Is there enough evidence to suggeest we should panic over it? No. Especially if the Medieval Warming Period was global. Have IPCC scientists deliberately manipulated study data to deemphasize the MWP? Yes. Absolutely. No question. Why would "scientists" do this? Because there weren't enough humans on earth then to have warmed it only with C02. Let's see C02 =370 PPM. Something other than C02 = 1,000,000 - 370 = 999,630 999,630 PPM of something else. Hm. I'll one up you. Plastic. I have a theory that 100 PERCENT of the plastic on earth is man-made. That is a probably a 100000 PERCENT increase in the amount of plastic on Earth over the past hundred years. Should we panic? Nope. Here's another one. Gilligan's Island episodes. I have a theory that 100 PERCENT of all Gilligan's Island episodes are man-made. That's a huge increase in the number of episodes in only the past 50 years! The number of cathrode ray tubes heating up living rooms because of those episodes since the 1960s is mind-boggling. I can't tell you how many times I've seen re-runs of the episode where the Japanese soldier thinks WW2 is still raging, and captures all of the castaways in bamboo cages. I wonder how much heat I generated watching just that one show? 999,630 PPM of something else. Mostly water vapour...a greenhouse gas. More troubling is the politically incorrect greenhouse effect generator, NITROGEN OXIDE. It's 200 times more potent than C02! Scientists are lying about this one too now, for the following reason. Humans have invented modern miracle fertilizers that can enrich the soils in famine stricken areas of Africa enough that crops are actually able to grow in places where only desert lies today! But the Global Warming movement has to be consistent and ban such miracle fertilizers because of the gigantic greenhouse gas generation effect that results from the usage of these manmade chemicals. Let's all do the right thing...panic over global warming...stop the spread of these new miracle fertilizers and let the Ethopians go back to starving the way nature intended! In short...chill out.

6. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

   253   10:20am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   He can't. Ducks hate heat. deepcgi says In short...chill out.

7. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 51 threads 2,636 comments Premium

   254   10:30am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Check out this great article: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/ff_apocalypsenot/2/ I just can't believe CO2 is such a main driver of warming. Perhaps this Nitrogen Oxide is the real catalyst for Global Warming. Just a word about Ethiopia - it's the bread basket of Arabia, the Kansas of the Red Sea. It was Civil War, not drought, that caused the Ethiopian famine. The Tyrannical Government moved all the farmers around smack in the middle of the growing season - too late to plant new crops, while the old crops were abandoned. Banditry and Insurgents snatched up most of what little was harvested.

8. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

   255   10:40am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Hey, my glasses were at lens crafters that day getting adjusted.... iwog says xrpb11a says why don't you post the data for the timeframe the mapping took place? I did. You obviously didn't follow the links or read the giant 8/20/12 that was so cleverly disguised in yellow in a large font at the top.

9. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   256   11:03am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   deepcgi says I'll one up you. Plastic. I have a theory that 100 PERCENT of the plastic on earth is man-made. That is a probably a 100000 PERCENT increase in the amount of plastic on Earth over the past hundred years. Should we panic? Nope. Here's another one. Gilligan's Island episodes. I have a theory that 100 PERCENT of all Gilligan's Island episodes are man-made. Except that plastic and Gilligan's Island episodes aren't greenhouse gasses.

10. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    257   11:41am Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   deepcgi says Mostly water vapour...a greenhouse gas. *Yawn* http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/co2-temperature.html The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect... Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases -- such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons -- as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect. Without non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. * * * * * A companion study…shows that carbon dioxide accounts for about 20 percent of the greenhouse effect, water vapor and clouds together account for 75percent... However, it is the 25 percent non-condensing greenhouse gas component, which includes carbon dioxide, that is the key factor in sustaining Earth’s greenhouse effect. By this accounting, carbon dioxide is responsible for 80 percent of the radiative forcing that sustains the Earth’s greenhouse effect. Next excuse please...

11. deepcgi Follow Befriend 98 comments

    258   1:21pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   leoj707 says Next excuse please... Why did the powers-that-want-to-be skew the entire hockey stick chart (and continue to skew it) based on the tree rings of only 18 Schweingruber trees? And lets us not forget the One Great Tree...the one who must never be forgotten...the one upon whom no child is worthy to swing or chop (lest he be of the IPCC). He has many names, but we shall call him Sprucifer, for it is He who shall bring the heat of hell down upon all of the earth! And which lofty woody is it of which I speak? Why none other than YAD06...the most influential growing thing which ever existed. The single most important (potential log-cabin or rocking chair) which ever dropped sap upon the thirsty Earth! YAD06. I for one worship YAD06 (well Him and the Sun). But remember we must reject the tree ring studies of all those peer-reviewed scientists whose work contradicts the clearly spoken syllables of YAD! "I WAS CONSIDERABLY COLDER THAN THE OTHER 18 TREES, AND THEREFORE THE ENTIRE EARTH WAS COLDER AS WELL!" or then again, maybe he was just in a shady spot. damn, i guess that's possible too. And here i thought i was going to get all of this into the first chapters of the new Climate Change Bible (King Michael Mann Edition). Comes in three beautiful covers, leather bound. Collect all three! Oops. Not real leather, sorry that's not very PC, is it? It's genuine nagahyde! And no wood was harmed in the publication of the new environmental gospel of Yad. If you don't want to read it all...here's a spoiler...Steve McIntyre is Satan. Shh...don't tell anyone else.

12. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    259   1:52pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   wtf?

13. deepcgi Follow Befriend 98 comments

    260   1:53pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says wtf? look it up.

14. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    261   2:08pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   deepcgi says look it up. Which part? Much of your post was incomprehensible. Hence the "wtf."

15. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    262   2:41pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says deepcgi says look it up. Which part? Much of your post was incomprehensible. Hence the "wtf." Ummm... yeah... I have a feeling that any source material regarding the "18 trees", "Steve McIntyre is Satan" and "YAD06" will probably be equally incomprehensible ramblings. And quite possible all recorded through eyesight-television and being stored in brain-bank-brains on the dark side of the moon.

16. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

    263   2:44pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I think he meant look up YAD061 (not YAD06, btw)

17. deepcgi Follow Befriend 98 comments

    264   2:54pm Wed 22 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   michaelsch says I think he meant look up YAD061 (not YAD06, btw) Let's just call him Yad. Just don't forget to capitalize it.

18. Schizlor Follow Befriend (2) 176 comments Virginia Beach, VA

    265   9:24am Thu 23 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   "Let's all do the right thing...panic over global warming...stop the spread of these new miracle fertilizers and let the Ethopians go back to starving the way nature intended!" I've got a better idea! Let's all pretend that paradigms that require exponential growth and resources won't with 100% certainty eventually collapse and kill off 90% of the humans in existence! Lets saturate soil with petroleum based fertizliers to jack up the food supply, so that our population swells to levels where any major disruption in petroleum supply or price will throw the world head-first into massive, worldwide famine and cause billions to starve to death! Oh wait.....we've already done that...... You know that Water Lily analogy, where they say the pond starts with one lily, and by day 30 the pond (after the lilys grow exponentially) will be completely covered? Then the students are asked, "on what day with the pond be half-covered with lily's?" and the answer is, day 29? We hit day 29 in terms of our population about 100 years ago. It took hundreds of thousands of years for us to reach 1Bn people. We went from 1 billion to 7 billion in only a centrury. Anyone who thinks that will be sustainable is a fool. We've quickly reached critical mass with our population, we have hit the point where we cannot reasonably (naturally, without pouring chemicals onto clay to get it to spit out mediocre vegetables for us) expect the Earth to sustain us. Modern fertilizer is a perfect example. It's already well-beyond impossible for the Earth to produce enough food for 7Bn people. It requires thousands and thousands of TONS of petroleum-based fertilzer every year, just to get plants to keep sprouting in our soil. Eliminate all chemical fertilizer, and I'm betting our food production drops by well more than half. What does this say to you? "More Miracle Fertilizer!!" Maybe. To me it seems our dedication to exponential population growth (and remember it's not just growth, but "progress" requires that each individual human being be entitled to, and to consume, more resources each year than they did the year before. So not only are there more people, but each person continually demands a greater share of fuel, power, water, food, resources, etc, as time goes on.....see China and India) is going to sink us one way or the other. We can argue the when, we can argue the mechanism (Peak Oil, Global Warming, Failure of Fiat Currency, War) but one way or another, this planet is due to lose a few billion people in the next couple hundred years. I don't see any way around that. Look at any chart of exponential population growth.... First there is abundant resources underutilized, then population expands to absorb the supply, at some point the lines cross, and supply starts falling rapidly while demand keeps surging,(the exponential part really hits hard here, and the future population will use half of the resources in 1/100th the time it took the preceeding half to be used...just like we use more oil in one day now than we did from like 1880-1920) and all of the sudden the available resources get CRUSHED in a split second (relatively speaking) and all of the sudden the entire population crashes. Go look at a chart of the worldwide population from 10,000 BC to today, and tell me you think more fertilizer is the answer. We do have a lot to be worried about, and in the end there really is nothing we can do about it. There are too many humans on this planet, period. The earth doesn't need you to agree with it, or make efforts to save it. The earth doesn't care in the slightest if we survive as a species...it would gladly throw us in the dustbin of history with the other 99% of all species who have ever lived that are now extinct. So on one hand it's iditotic to think we can "Save" the planet (because what we really want is to save the current conditions favorable for human existence on the earth, not the actual earth itself) it's also idiotic to "defer" to the earth on the matter, as if the earth is some benevolent keeper who WANTS us to exist, and will do what it can to mitigate the effects of global warming (people who argue, "oh this happens all the time, it's nothing we control, and nothing we need to worry about) The earth, if you look at the climate over 4.5bn years, has been habitable to humans for about 0.00001% of that time. To say, 'well, the earth has done this on it's own before' is true....but we would have all DIED then too.....so sorry if I don't take comfort in the, "Well it will happen anyway, so who cares if we stoke the fire along the way?" line of thinking. What you're suggesting is tantamount to being in a raft heading for the falls, and asserting that not only should we not try to backpedal, but we shouldn't even stop paddling FORWARD at INCREASED speeds, even as the falls get closer and closer. I'm on board with the, "paddling in reverse won't change our fate necessarily" line of thinking. However, I'm not on board with the, "Paddling in reverse? Full steam ahead? Six of one, half-dozen of the other really."

19. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    266   9:38am Thu 23 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Given the circumstance you have laid out, the only possible solution I can see is a globally enforced law for castration of all males at birth ( with the exception of the 1% who pay most of the taxes ).... Schizlor says Go look at a chart of the worldwide population from 10,000 BC to today, and tell me you think more fertilizer is the answer.

20. JodyChunder Follow Befriend (3) 16 threads 1,375 comments Victorville, CA Premium

    267   10:07pm Thu 23 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   leoj707 says n that case don't let your masseur know that you have been calling him a masseuse. You know, I call him that all the time...he's a big old dude from Baja and doesn't speak very much, and only in spotty English when he does. I don't even know his name. "Masseuse! work on my traps! Masseuse! More feet!" he's never objected.

21. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    268   7:05pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   With about one more week before polar minimum, the ice melt continues to break record ground and diverge further from the previous record. It's going to be interesting to see how quickly the ocean freezes over again because all that new open water has been absorbing a lot of sunlight.

22. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    269   7:28pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   this looks photoshopped.... I can see the 'layer' markers... iwog says With about one more week before polar minimum, the ice melt continues to break record ground and diverge further from the previous record. It's going to be interesting to see how quickly the ocean freezes over again because all that new open water has been absorbing a lot of sunlight.

23. curious2 Follow Befriend (5) 31 threads 2,242 comments Premium

    270   7:33pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I wonder what Pat Robertson will say about a tropical storm forcing the Republicans to cancel the first day of their convention: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gop-convention-isaac-delay-20120825,0,4730200.story If the theory of global warming causing more and worse tropical storms is correct, the Republicans (who contend that their particular god, who speaks only to them, is in charge of the climate) might have to cancel even more of their convention. I only hope no one gets hurt.

24. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    271   7:56pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Linking extreme climate events to the warming trend requires a lot more data. Having established that the planet is warming does not entitle us to blame everything on AGW.

25. curious2 Follow Befriend (5) 31 threads 2,242 comments Premium

    272   9:19pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Peter P says Having established that the planet is warming does not entitle us to blame everything on AGW. True, but old Pat Robertson tried to blame Hurricane Katrina on the Southern Decadance parade in New Orleans. (It turned out the hurricane devastated much of the gulf coast except the planned parade route, but nevermind.) The Republicans can't have it both ways: if they claim to know The Mind of The Hurricane-Sender, then they have to admit that He (or She) decided to smite them this year. Possibly for nominating a cult member, or that Akin ignoramus, whose policy on amending the Constitution mirrors the GOP platform.

26. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 331 threads 919 comments

    273   10:11pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Will we be able to sunbathe on the Arctic beaches? http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/record-dominoes-8-nsidc-daily-sea-ice-extent.html#more

27. JodyChunder Follow Befriend (3) 16 threads 1,375 comments Victorville, CA Premium

    274   11:46pm Sat 25 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   HEY YOU says Will we be able to sunbathe on the Arctic beaches? There used to be palm trees in Antarctica.

28. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    275   2:31am Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   xrpb11a says this looks photoshopped.... I can see the 'layer' markers... Can't help yourself eh? Always the troll....... http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

29. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    276   7:20am Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   duhh...it's a joke. ob birth cert.....photoshopped.....layer markers... iwog says xrpb11a says this looks photoshopped.... I can see the 'layer' markers... Can't help yourself eh? Always the troll.......

30. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    277   9:29am Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   JodyChunder says HEY YOU says Will we be able to sunbathe on the Arctic beaches? There used to be palm trees in Antarctica. Yea, but that was before it drifted from the topics to the pole.

31. curious2 Follow Befriend (5) 31 threads 2,242 comments Premium

    278   12:56pm Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   bob2356 says that was before [Antarctica] drifted from the topics to the pole. Tropic or temperate, but the trees on Antarctica date from the mesozoic era, when there were evidently no polar ice caps. Some have suggested the climate/latitude gradient may have been flatter, though it was all a bit before my time so I can't say. Most Republicans though will tell you that the whole earth is less than 10,000 years old, so in their world the Antarctic trees must be quite recent and your great-grand-parents got to ride dinosaurs through the Antarctic forests.

32. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    279   1:19pm Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   So what? According to Iwogonese, the whole mess is over within a couple centuries, so go on and believe whatever the hell makes you happy....6000, 60000000...who gives a fuck?? It's all hopeless from this time forward....Bring on the next Big Bang.... curious2 says Most Republicans though will tell you that the whole earth is less than 10,000 years old, so in their world the Antarctic trees must be quite recent and your great-grand-parents got to ride dinosaurs through the Antarctic forests.

33. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    280   1:21pm Sun 26 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   what r we talkin about here?? My attention at the strip club while surfin Patrick.net on my nook?? bob2356 says Yea, but that was before it drifted from the topics to the pole.

34. JodyChunder Follow Befriend (3) 16 threads 1,375 comments Victorville, CA Premium

    281   12:15am Mon 27 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   bob2356 says Yea, but that was before it drifted from the topics to the pole. I worked as a blaster for Raytheon for two seasons in Antarctica back in '88 and '89. At that time, there was a plastic and tinsel palm tree in the worker's lounge. One day, no doubt, it will be unearthed by whatever race comes next after human beans and misapprehended as evidence of something completely other than what it was.

35. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    282   7:10am Mon 27 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   curious2 says The Republicans can't have it both ways: if they claim to know The Mind of The Hurricane-Sender, then they have to admit that He (or She) decided to smite them this year. Right, all Republicans take Pat Robertson seriously...

36. msilenus Follow Befriend (3) 8 threads 335 comments

    283   5:24pm Tue 28 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iWog has been proven wrong --it took three weeks for this to become a big story. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/08/120828-arctic-sea-ice-global-warming-record-environment-science/ http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arctic-ice-historic-low-20120827,0,3902214.story http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0828/Parts-of-Arctic-now-like-a-giant-slushie

37. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    284   5:51pm Tue 28 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   msilenus says iWog has been proven wrong --it took three weeks for this to become a big story. Yeah I suck. I wonder how far it's going to melt back this year. It's not only breaking records, but it's breaking them by hundreds of thousands of sq. kilometers. Stunning. If you didn't think the earth was warming up, this is your wake up call.

38. robertoaribas Follow Befriend (23) 55 threads 3,795 comments Scottsdale, AZ robertoaribas's website

    285   6:14pm Tue 28 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog, as darrel would say, they didn't count foreclosed ice in that graph, so it means nothing! Seriously, it is so obviously an Al Qaeda plot to destroy the planet...

39. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    286   6:35pm Tue 28 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Well, I would not go that far. I think you are being too hard on yourself. Mistakes happen. iwog says msilenus says iWog has been proven wrong --it took three weeks for this to become a big story. Yeah I suck.

40. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,546 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    287   12:22pm Fri 31 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Every day that passes, we get a new record low. It's getting obnoxious now. Many scientists are predicting an ice free arctic in 5-10 years. Does anyone remember the high school physics experiment where you slowly heat a glass of ice water and watch the phase change temperature? Remember what happens when the ice is gone?

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