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North polar icecap rushes to all time melt record

By iwog   Follow   Sun, 5 Aug 2012, 7:37am   16,015 views   287 comments
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You're going to be seeing headlines on this in about two weeks. That's when I'm guessing the arctic ice melt will reach an all time record and most of the arctic ocean will be free of ice and navigable.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

The blue starts in 1979. The more red the line, the more recent the year. (dark red is 2011) Each horizontal line is 1 million sq. kilometers. When the graph reaches the bottom, the north pole is completely melted. x-axis is day of the year.

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1. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

   1   8:27am Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   "This is not a climate model or a prediction but actual observations of weather events and temperatures that have happened," "Our analysis shows that it is no longer enough to say that global warming will increase the likelihood of extreme weather and to repeat the caveat that no individual weather event can be directly linked to climate change. To the contrary, our analysis shows that, for the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is virtually no explanation other than climate change." So when a conservative makes an observation, it's crackpot lunacy, but when Libs do it, it's a detailed analysis.

2. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 331 threads 919 comments

   2   9:21am Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   When liberals get any govt. money, it's socialism. When conservative congressmen get health care paid for by taxes it's free enterprise. iwog, I think I just disproved that there is any North polar icecap melting. ROFLMAO

3. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   3   3:15pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says So when a conservative makes an observation, it's crackpot lunacy, but when Libs do it, it's a detailed analysis. I think this is another instance where I don't have any fricken clue what point you're trying to make. Global warming is happening period. That graph with the little squiggly lines on it should shock the hell out of everyone.

4. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

   4   3:22pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says That graph with the little squiggly lines on it should shock the hell out of everyone. Exactly!

5. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   5   3:24pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says Exactly! Exactly what? You want more shockings?

6. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 163 threads 1,544 comments Premium

   6   3:31pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Cloud says What happened to the dinosaurs before the automobile? There weren't any American capitalists around then? I thought people used to ride dinosaurs before the automobiles. So say quite a few "scientific " museums.

7. Randy H Follow Befriend (5) 44 threads 4,602 comments Los Altos, CA Premium

   7   3:42pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   I love the politicization of this issue. Who cares if global warming is due to natural, man-made, or a hybrid of both causes? If instead of global warming it were an asteroid on a highly probable, earth-crossing collision course, would you want to at least start thinking about what we might do about it? Sadly, these days we'd probably just end arguing about how it's all a liberal/conservative conspiracy.

8. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   8   3:52pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Randy H says I love the politicization of this issue. Who cares if global warming is due to natural, man-made, or a hybrid of both causes? Exactly and I didn't really post this to start the science debate all over again. (although it was inevitable) What's happening in the arctic right now is unprecedented, has huge implications on everything from weather to oil exploration to the extinction of polar bears, and is happening real time as we speak. The record melt is updated every single day so you can watch it like the stock market. In two weeks it is going to be the lead story on every newscast when the record breaks and there's more open ocean than ever before. I'm just posting it early.

9. B.A.C.A.H. Follow Befriend (6) 5 threads 2,359 comments

   9   3:57pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   We used to be plagued with tomato worms in our garden. It was practically a full time job to cull them out. Over the years we don't have that problem any more. The tomato worms came from little butterflies. I was wondering if the changing climate has had something to do about it.

10. Rent4Ever Follow Befriend 7 threads 94 comments

    10   5:09pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Global Warming was so 2006. Funny how a recession and struggling world economy changes the dialogue.

11. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

    11   5:59pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   iwog says What's happening in the arctic right now is unprecedented, Isn't Florida supposed to be under water by now? Ohhhh it's all so clear now, Florida is foreclosure capital, because of Global Warming.

12. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    12   6:21pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says Isn't Florida supposed to be under water by now? No, it's waiting until I buy a house. By the way, can we pass a law that states if Florida does go underwater, all republican voters have to compensate non-republican Floridians for the loss of property and livelihood? If we did that, then I'd be okay with republicans calling Global Warming a myth. Just put your money where your mouth is.

13. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    13   8:20pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   CaptainShuddup says Isn't Florida supposed to be under water by now? No one said Florida is supposed to be under water by now. The north pole is ice cubes floating in an ocean. When they melt, they don't raise the sea level. The reason the north pole is important is that ice is a heat sink. As long as there's ice floating around in the water, the heat will go into melting the ice instead of heating the air. It's when the icepack is too far gone to absorb heat that we'll be in trouble.

14. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    14   8:38pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says The north pole is ice cubes floating in an ocean. When they melt, they don't raise the sea level. Yep, it's the ice that's on land that will raise sea level when it melts. Remember, ice is frozen water. So when it melts, that extra space it occupied as a solid no longer contributes to it's volume. That's why when ice melts in a glass of water filled to it's brim, the water doesn't overflow the glass.

15. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    15   8:54pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The bright side is we will be able to farm in areas that we cant at this time. The down side, America does not sit on those new lands. The bright side, the EPA will have to go protest China farmers for making dust, burning fuel, using water, and cow farts. Adgenda 21 heads to China. That should be grand.

16. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    16   10:01pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bap33 says The down side, America does not sit on those new lands.

17. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    17   10:15pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   aquafer?

18. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    18   10:24pm Sun 5 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Nice map!

19. thomaswong.1986 Follow Befriend 15 threads 2,839 comments

    19   1:50am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog, dan... LOL! make peace with GOD .. time is running out for your salvation!

20. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

    20   6:16am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Dan8267 says By the way, can we pass a law that states if Florida does go underwater, all republican voters have to compensate non-republican Floridians for the loss of property and livelihood? Yeah, if they promise to move out of state by 2020, otherwise.

21. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

    21   6:17am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   iwog says The reason the north pole is important is that ice is a heat sink. As long as there's ice floating around in the water, the heat will go into melting the ice instead of heating the air. I remember making that argument with a Liberal global warmer, and he said it's all of the surface ice above the water.

22. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    22   6:22am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says The reason the north pole is important is that ice is a heat sink. As long as there's ice floating around in the water, the heat will go into melting the ice instead of heating the air. I thought the ice "albedo" was the crucial thing: the ability to reflect incoming sunlight back into space, helping to keep the arctic cold.

23. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    23   6:38am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   freak80 says I thought the ice "albedo" was the crucial thing: the ability to reflect incoming sunlight back into space, helping to keep the arctic cold. That too.

24. Randy H Follow Befriend (5) 44 threads 4,602 comments Los Altos, CA Premium

    24   7:19am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Cloud says Randy, go ahead and ask Iwog what he wants to do about it...and you will see why he is posting... Bait taken. Let's hear it...

25. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    25   7:57am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Cloud says Randy, go ahead and ask Iwog what he wants to do about it...and you will see why he is posting... Nothing. Global warming is inevitable and humans are destined to destroy the earth. You can't take 2 billion years of stored hydrocarbons and throw them all into the atmosphere over a period of a single century without wrecking the planet. It's just fun to watch. I hate to disappoint the Pubes and it's unfortunate because y'all are on the wrong side of reality most of the time.

26. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    26   8:10am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Nothing. Global warming is inevitable and humans are destined to destroy the earth...It's just fun to watch. Are you being sarcastic? I really can't tell. Poe's Law. Nuclear power could dramatically *slow* CO2 emissions, but we'd still need oil to power our vehicles. Unless we all plan on moving to high-density cities like Manhattan and Hong Kong where automobiles are not needed.

27. kentm Follow Befriend (1) 117 threads 971 comments

    27   8:16am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Amazing and sad this observation has been posted in Politics and depressing the stream of the conversation. Cloud, what advantage do you get from contesting or attempting to degrade this information that's been posted? If its true and it certainly seems to be then what kick do you get from opposing this or trying to drag it for some reason into the liberal against conservative effort? Please explain. Are you deep down afraid that if you give in to admitting the truth of the thing iwog has posted that then you'll have to agree to watching an hour less of tv a day or something, and THEN what?... Please explain why youve come out swinging on this one.

28. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    28   8:21am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   iwog says Global warming is inevitable and humans are destined to destroy the earth. Humans are destined to destroy themselves or a large portion of the population. Earth is really sturdy. If you think humans can destroy it you are way more arrogant than I thought.

29. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,715 comments

    29   8:25am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   IF and that's a big freaking "IF", Global Warming is a real problem, then why are all of the solutions a $45,000 automobile, and the Liberal green movement gets its Knickers in a wad when the Chinese flood the market with "CHEAP" solar panels? The solutions of the "Conservation movement" were more plausible than this lot. Conservation = consume less = 0 wall street profits Green movement = consume premium solutions = quarterly profits and hefty bonuses

30. kentm Follow Befriend (1) 117 threads 971 comments

    30   8:26am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Peter P says iwog says Global warming is inevitable and humans are destined to destroy the earth. Humans are destined to destroy themselves or a large portion of the population. Earth is really sturdy. If you think humans can destroy it you are way more arrogant than I thought. You read too many comic books. The long slow ride is going to be the hellish thing.

31. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    31   8:29am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says Nuclear power could dramatically *slow* CO2 emissions, but we'd still need oil to power our vehicles. Unless we all plan on moving to high-density cities like Manhattan and Hong Kong where automobiles are not needed. Automobiles can be powered by electricity. However, we will need oil for planes. But that is a very small portion of fossil fuel consumption. Nevertheless, stories like this are just fear-mongering. Taking the wrong policy decisions to "reverse" or mitigate global warming can make us worse off. Also, I thought geographically America should be relatively less-affected by global warming. This means that other folks may be more nervous. If they want us to do something they should pay us.

32. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    32   8:30am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   kentm says The long slow ride is going to be the hellish thing. Hell on earth, huh? Perhaps the rapture is real. :-)

33. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    33   8:50am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Remember the "good old days" when we thought human extinction would be "quick and painless" (nuclear war) rather than "slow and painful" (global warming)?

34. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    34   8:51am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Peter P says Taking the wrong policy decisions to "reverse" or mitigate global warming can make us worse off. How is slowing our greenhouse gas emissions going to make us worse off? Are you nuts?

35. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    35   9:12am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says Remember the "good old days" when we thought human extinction would be "quick and painless" (nuclear war) rather than "slow and painful" (global warming)? For destruction ice is also great and would suffice. Frost

36. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    36   9:14am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says Peter P says Taking the wrong policy decisions to "reverse" or mitigate global warming can make us worse off. How is slowing our greenhouse gas emissions going to make us worse off? Are you nuts? Wrong policy decisions. Hello? :-)

37. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    37   9:19am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   It is one thing to use less. It is another to put an artificial cap on usage. We may want to have an energy policy. But never a climate policy.

38. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    38   9:21am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I must say, Pete, I find your views on AGW pretty bizarre. "We should keep disturbing the climate system because if we stop disturbing the climate system we might disturb the climate system."

39. Randy H Follow Befriend (5) 44 threads 4,602 comments Los Altos, CA Premium

    39   9:22am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   The sad thing is, both extremes of the political response to this are fucking stupid. Of course the outcomes can be changed through a concerted, technological effort. No, the answer is not mere conservation. Thinking that is tantamount to a wishing on a nursery rhyme. Whatever happened to PROGRESSIVE response to challenges? Once upon a time the progressive was neither "conservative" or "liberal", but was someone who looked at a problem, sized it up for what it really was irrespective of how it came to be, and then attacked it in a creative and often non-intuitive way. As Peter said, the Earth is really sturdy. Human society, on the other hand, is wildly dynamic. It has always been changing and will continue to change. As it does, this too will come to pass. How we leverage our advances in science and technology to guide that passage is up to us. But, as we can see by this discussion, we'd rather waste another generation or two pissing on each others ideologies.

40. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    40   9:25am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Randy H says But, as we can see by this discussion, we'd rather waste another generation or two pissing on each others ideologies. Pretty much. "Everyone talks about Athropogenic Global Warming, but nobody does anything about it." -- Mark Twain ;-)

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