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How Many Big Lies Have You Fallen for? Homeownership, College, War, and Voting.

By Steve B   Follow   Mon, 6 Aug 2012, 7:24am   3,508 views   51 comments
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1. everything Follow Befriend (2) 3 threads 552 comments Madison, WI

   12   11:15am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   I have not fallen for the marriage lie yet!, she's easier to get along with when she does not fall for the feminism lie, thinking she owns you. I fell for the lie that a single person needs a mortgage/house and got rid of that thing while I was still ahead! Today, you need to be mobile, the investors can have them. Back in the early 90's college was still affordable, we will need an awful lot of inflation to help ease the pain of paying off these loans of today. Still, I went through tech, and 4 year, more than I needed.

2. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   13   11:25am Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Protected   everything says I have not fallen for the marriage lie yet!, she's easier to get along with when she does not fall for the feminism lie, thinking she owns you. And we wonder why the Democrats have a problem with the "male vote."

3. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 250 threads 4,770 comments

   14   12:09pm Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (2)   I didn't fall for Obama and I'm pretty proud of that one. But then of course I didn't fall for Bush either. I am proud of the fact I voted for Nader, we Nader voters are an exclusive club or Uber smarties, much like the Mensa society.

4. Quigley Follow Befriend (6) 17 threads 525 comments Huntington Beach, CA

   15   12:22pm Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Bought college: left with a degree in high science, no job, and 55k in loans due immediately. I dont use my degree, but managed to get into a high paying niche profession that I could have trained for with two years at a occupational center. Bought war: who didn't want to see Osama pay for what he did? Bought voting: been a voter every year, still do so out of habit and for local election issues which actually do matter. President? Hah, tell me a new one! DIDN'T buy house! I was all set up to buy in '05, but didn't believe in the market. Good thing. Been saving and renting ever since, and in another part of the country I'd pay cash for something. Retirement: the union has a kick ass retirement. I might even see it someday, if the dollar doesn't devalue or the fund administrators don't piss it all away on the next big bubble. I have 401k too. But even if I have ultimately nothing for retirement because the lawyers and banks steal it all, I have three assets that will endure. My children. Right now they are a drain, but when I get old, I hope they'll compete to house me and their mother. Family is everything.

5. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   16   1:02pm Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Quigley says Bought college: left with a degree in high science, no job, and 55k in loans due immediately. I dont use my degree, but managed to get into a high paying niche profession that I could have trained for with two years at a occupational center. I know the feeling well!

6. DukeLaw Follow Befriend 3 threads 73 comments

   17   1:19pm Mon 6 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   The schooling was awhile back, when private school tuition was in the mid 20k. Bought college (engineering scholarship=no debt) Bought law school (law school scholarship = minimal debt) Bought home ownership 3x (had to move twice but made money on both) Didn't buy Iraq war (Osama had nothing to do with Hussein, we pretty much all knew that....)

7. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 769 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   18   7:33am Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   HEY YOU says I did not fall for Weapons of Mass Destruction. The biggest Republican lie to date. Ditto. It was obvious Bush was lying as he kept ignoring the U.N.'s statements that there were no WMD and kept pushing for war before the U.N. could further prove the non-existence of the WMDs. Bush didn't want the world to see proof that the WMD accusation was a willful lie.

8. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 769 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   19   7:36am Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   CaptainShuddup says I didn't fall for Obama and I'm pretty proud of that one. But then of course I didn't fall for Bush either. Finally, someone else who realizes that both Bush and Obama are bad.

9. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 52 threads 2,639 comments Premium

   20   11:56am Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   I fell for the WMDs. And School. My job does not require a college degree, only a golden tongue. And that can't really be taught in an academic setting. Never fell for Iran though, it's the most peaceful country in the world, except maybe Switzerland, in terms of starting wars. The guy who taught me insurance taught me "Insurance Companies NEVER lose." And I've never seen information to the contrary. Love Altucher, he's a real prick, a Carlinite.

10. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 250 threads 4,770 comments

    21   12:05pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   Dan8267 says Finally, someone else who realizes that both Bush and Obama are bad. You probably weren't around, when I first came here. I was a huge hit with Patneters. They loved my humor, lambasting, and rants something rotten as long as Bush was on the receiving end. The minute I pointed my piehole in the direction of Obama I became this republican white middle aged racist.

11. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    22   12:17pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   thunderlips11 says The guy who taught me insurance taught me "Insurance Companies NEVER lose." And I've never seen information to the contrary. Why else would Buffett want to own insurance companies?

12. errc Follow Befriend (7) 30 threads 1,222 comments 31 male Premium

    23   12:18pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   I still love you, TPB

13. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 52 threads 2,639 comments Premium

    24   12:20pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   Let me add one Big Lie to the mix: Venezuela as a terror/narco-state human rights violating state run by a Dictator.

14. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    25   12:27pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   thunderlips11 says Venezuela as a terror/narco-state human rights violating state run by a Dictator. Of course Venezuela is evil. They have oil that we want.

15. errc Follow Befriend (7) 30 threads 1,222 comments 31 male Premium

    26   12:29pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   Good point thunderlips. The Biggest Lie of all, the war on drugs, never even got an honorable mention. I guess everyone is still buying it Or how about the eating fats is bad, eating grains is good lie? Look where that's gotten us. Ill have to admit, I did buy into that one. Thankfully, the information age has shined the light on that pile of dung and all its corrupted "science", and now I'm a bacon eating machine!

16. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    27   12:34pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   errc says I guess everyone is still buying it Of course everyone is still buying drugs. errc says now I'm a bacon eating machine! OMG Bacon!

17. Quigley Follow Befriend (6) 17 threads 525 comments Huntington Beach, CA

    28   2:04pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   It's quite possible that the war on drugs is still ongoing because the DEA declassified bacon as a controlled substance! But seriously folks, let's make like Holland and stop the insanity. How many more people need to die in this needless war we have fought for decades in the name of Public Health?

18. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    29   2:21pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   Quigley says How many more people need to die in this needless war we have fought for decades in the name of Public Health? The War on Drugs "creates jobs" so we'll keep doing it.

19. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 103 threads 3,768 comments

    30   2:39pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   That article really hits close to home. I remember George Carlin had a good phrase where he said something along the lines... "It's all bullshit and it's bad for ya." It's somewhere on youtube still. One of the first people to tell America to wake up, just like Patrick when he started this blog. And so much of America is just living in the illusion presented to them by the vetted interests.

20. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,103 comments

    31   5:19pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   CaptainShuddup says The minute I pointed my piehole in the direction of Obama I became this republican white middle aged racist. There was no rule against white middle aged racists hating GWB.

21. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

    32   5:21pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   marcus says There was no rule against white middle aged racists hating GWB. How could there be? That's the base!

22. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,103 comments

    33   5:21pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I couldn't find the article at the link above. I tried two different browsers. But I think I found it elsewhere http://lewrockwell.com/altucher/altucher90.1.html

23. curious2 Follow Befriend (5) 31 threads 2,265 comments Premium

    34   5:47pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Ironically, the one I haven't fallen for (or at least haven't bought) is the one that I still would believe in, i.e. home ownership. I like to do home improvements. I spend time thinking about them, planning, buying supplies, improving my rented apartment. Then, when I move, I have to undo all of it, restoring everything to original condition. Last time nearly broke my heart. Alas SF prices remain unreasonably high, so I must either (a) buy and await collapse, (b) buy and "convert" to groupthink and become a real estate booster (maybe even start a new career as a realtor), or (c) continue to rent and dread the day when it's time to move and all my work must be undone by my own hands. http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2012/08/the-trillion-dollar-lies/

24. tts Follow Befriend 2 threads 470 comments

    35   8:15pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   StoutFiles says However, community college is very smart if you go for two years and then transfer to a good four year school. Your degree is under the fancy school and you just saved almost 50% of the total cost. It'd be really difficult to convince a kid to do this though, those schools aren't fun like the four year ones. Most colleges are limiting or eliminating the ability to do this. They're well aware of that this is a huge cost savings for their students and they don't like it one bit. This is anecdotal but when I graduated from high school well over a decade ago it was also a well known path to getting a "reputable" degree for almost half the cost, so I really doubt its all that unknown or considered these days when everyone is poorer and grants are getting slashed. Also its usually the kids of well off or rich that are able to pick and choose colleges based on "fun". While most 18 yr olds these days are definitely not clued in to how bad things are going to be for them out of college they're definitely starting to realize that something is very wrong with the job market and the economy in general. This of course doesn't mean that the colleges still aren't counseling/pushing the students to get "useless" Liberal Arts degrees. But then its not so surprising that many 18 yr olds wouldn't know which degree to pick or even know what they really want to do at that age, so they'll usually still do what a counseller recommends. Personally I think its pretty clear that most of those kids are being taken advantage of by the colleges, not only in being charged ridiculous college fees, but also by being pushed into getting an impractical degree that won't help them get or keep a job. Note: I don't believe Liberal Arts degrees to be useless per se, they just don't do much at all to actually get you ready for a job or Real Life for that matter. And going to college is almost exclusively about getting a job now days, learning for the sake of learning or self enrichment is something only practical for the rich now.

25. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 103 threads 3,768 comments

    36   8:19pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   At some point all of this wasn't so expensive. Once big government and their wall street insiders get involved everything stops being affordable. Education, housing, just life in general. I remember the days you could work part time at a low paying gig and be fine. That America is all but gone now, at least here in CA.

26. tts Follow Befriend 2 threads 470 comments

    37   8:48pm Tue 7 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   FortWayne says Once big government and their wall street insiders get involved everything stops being affordable. You realize that the exact opposite is true right? Historically before the govt. started to sponsor colleges and offer grants colleges was almost exclusively for the rich/connected. College for the masses was unheard of prior to WWII in the US for a reason you know. It should be noted too that other countries have had no issue at all for decades offering free or nearly free college to _everyone_ in their country. Sure they pay higher taxes for that and other social welfare support programs, but they're getting something for their money and not going into debt to do it. Things didn't start to get out of hand until crony capitalism started to get entrenched in our country, which started back in the 80's with Regan. My thoughts on Regan are perhaps more eloquently elucidated thusly: And the same is true of many EU countries. Prior to the creation/popping of the Global Credit Bubble several of them were actually running financial surpluses. It was only after the Credit Bubble popped and the banks were bailed out by the various countries that many developed the serious debt problem they find themselves in now. Crony capitialism has ruined the EU as well unfortunately.

27. Rin Follow Befriend 4 threads 542 comments

    38   12:55pm Wed 8 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   tts says FortWayne says Once big government and their wall street insiders get involved everything stops being affordable. You realize that the exact opposite is true right? Historically before the govt. started to sponsor colleges and offer grants colleges was almost exclusively for the rich/connected. College for the masses was unheard of prior to WWII in the US for a reason you know. Moving ahead, ppl will need to gain credentials via national examination system than college. Unfortunately, the current white collar W-2 crowd will refuse to admit that they don't really use much academic know-how on their jobs. And thus, a type of enforced class separation is in effect.

28. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 769 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    39   3:32pm Wed 8 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Peter P says Does Santa Claus count? Only if you believed in him as an adult.

29. justme Follow Befriend (2) 33 threads 3,464 comments

    40   4:18pm Wed 8 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   First of all, I'd like to say that it is ironic and perhaps offensive that James Altucher is a guy that queries people about what lies they fell for. Same deal if Henry Blodgett had written the article.

30. justme Follow Befriend (2) 33 threads 3,464 comments

    41   4:28pm Wed 8 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Second of all, and I did skim the article now, James Altoucher is and always will be a grande douchebag. Almost in the class of Tom Friedman, although Friedman really is in a class of his own. Altoucher is largely right about War, WMD, and Voting, and has some points about College and Homeownership. But quite a few people were right, or had good points, and it did not take them until 2012 to say it. Where was Altoucher when the War lies, WMD lies and the housing bubble all happened? Oh, yeah, he was working for a hedge fund. And I don't see his thinking having improved much since then.

31. justme Follow Befriend (2) 33 threads 3,464 comments

    42   4:33pm Wed 8 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Third, I think it is useful to have a confessional about what lies people fell for. Might make people think twice next time (Iran?). But Altoucher is such a douche I just recoil instinctively at the guy. I like him so little that I just realized he could have a new pet name: The Alt-doucher.

32. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    43   7:17am Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   tts says Things didn't start to get out of hand until crony capitalism started to get entrenched in our country, which started back in the 80's with Regan. I share your dislike of Crony Capitalism, but it's as American as apple pie. It didn't start with Reagan (although Reagan made it worse, yes).

33. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    44   7:22am Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Rin says Unfortunately, the current white collar W-2 crowd will refuse to admit that they don't really use much academic know-how on their jobs. And thus, a type of enforced class separation is in effect. Absolutely. I currently do a job I could have done with no more than a high-school education, but I needed a $50k piece of paper to get me past the artificial "economic moat." But as they say, the most lucrative things in life are a racket at some level.

34. tts Follow Befriend 2 threads 470 comments

    45   3:34pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says I share your dislike of Crony Capitalism, but it's as American as apple pie. It didn't start with Reagan (although Reagan made it worse, yes). Yea there has always been some corruption. If you want to go back in time to the Gilded Age you could definitely argue that this has happened before. In "modern" times though, and by that I mean post early 1900's, there is definitely a huge difference in the before/after levels of corruption for when Regan showed up.

35. gbenson Follow Befriend 16 threads 391 comments

    46   4:03pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Fell for: IRA, 401k, Stockmarket, Engineering will never be outsourced, and working for big company = job security. Didn't Fall for: God, Santa, Tooth Fairy, WMD in Iraq, or Trickle down economics.

36. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    47   4:18pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   GameOver says Hooray! The BAN has been LIFTED! I've done my time and now I'm ready to be re-inserted into society (or some other place?). Thank you Warden Patrick! I declared a general amnesty for the more than 3,000 spammers and the 7 users banned for repeated insults to other users. Hopefully this is not a mistake.

37. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    48   4:19pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Wow, immediately got spammed and banned the spammer. That didn't take long!

38. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 769 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    49   5:01pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Patrick says Wow, immediately got spammed and banned the spammer. That didn't take long! What spammer? Sounds like there's a story behind this.

39. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    50   5:14pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Some Latvian-origin IP address selling viagra. There are lots of those.

40. New Renter Follow Befriend (3) 13 threads 2,227 comments San Jose, CA Premium

    51   6:52pm Thu 9 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   BA house at the peak of the market (ouch) Nearly a decade of STEM graduate school (Wow, if I knew then what I know now...) 401k

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