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Romney’s welfare-to-work attack on Obama not quite accurate, experts say

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1. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

   6   10:52am Fri 10 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   Look at: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-government-debt-grows-10-million-minute-david-160752953.html One who blames welfare plainly trys to distort the public vision. The real problems are: mortgage subsidies thru mortgage interest deduction, banking bailouts, FMA, FMC etc, student loans, unfunded obligations, unfunded loan guarantees by the government, health insurance reform (which is essensially just a giveaway to the insurance companies), Medicare obligations, low capital gains taxes, endless unfunded military and foreign (hidden military) expenses. Comparing to any of these all welfare, unemployment insurance, food stamp, and SSI obligations are just ignorable. Romney isn't any better on these than Obama. In fact he is likely to be much worse in fixing problems like capital gains (no)taxes, runaway foreign intervention expenses, and welfare given to banks and other corporations.

2. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

   7   3:28pm Fri 10 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Honest Abe says There is a new movie out: 2016 Movie google it to find a location near you. It explains obama's anti-American roots and training. D'Souza d'sucks.

3. 37108605 Follow Befriend 1 threads 1,055 comments

   8   2:01pm Sat 11 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   Thank God. I'll take 1890 over 2012 anyday. iwog says The Republican agenda is an economic destroying agenda that will attempt to return the country to 1890.

4. 37108605 Follow Befriend 1 threads 1,055 comments

   9   2:02pm Sat 11 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   How sad to me that you honestly believe this to be truth. iwog says Obama tells the truth more than he lies. It's not black and white, but it does support my assertion that Republicans live in a fantasy world.

5. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,494 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   10   2:38pm Sat 11 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Reader says Thank God. I'll take 1890 over 2012 anyday. Really? You're not a big fan of history are you. Reader says How sad to me that you honestly believe this to be truth. I've provided statistical evidence to that fact. What evidence makes you sad that I believe this to be the truth? No evidence?

6. monkframe Follow Befriend 7 threads 187 comments Pacifica, CA

   11   9:49pm Sat 11 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   What is it about 1890 that you like most? Tuberculosis? The average life span of that day? Lynchings? At least back up your argument with something less ridiculous.

7. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

   12   7:16am Sun 12 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Its not who lies the MOST. They all lie. The real issue is Osama Husssain Obamas record of FAILURE.

8. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 328 threads 913 comments

   13   11:32am Sun 12 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Obama's failure, not like the success of Bush & Republicans allowing the Twin Towers to be taken.

9. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

   14   12:33pm Sun 12 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bush's failures have nothing to do with Obama's failures. America is worse off due to Obama = FAIL.

10. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,494 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    15   3:19pm Sun 12 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Honest Abe says America is worse off due to Obama = FAIL. America is much better off due to Obama.

11. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    16   8:06pm Sun 12 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   it all depends on how you define "better off".. iwog says Honest Abe says America is worse off due to Obama = FAIL. America is much better off due to Obama.

12. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    17   6:43am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   FAIL

13. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    18   7:00am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   America is CLEARLY worse off now. What indicater (singular) is better? Food prices? Gas prices? Numbers on welfare? Inflation? Under this type of "leadership" expect everything to get progressively WORSE, Libs like the concept of progressive, right? It's time to flush the White House and get rid of the crap before it's too late.

14. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    19   7:14am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Well, it still depends on how you define "better off"... Welfare freeloaders are looking pretty good these days... Honest Abe says America is CLEARLY worse off now. What indicater (singular) is better? Food prices? Gas prices? Numbers on welfare? Inflation? Under this type of "leadership" expect everything to get progressively WORSE, Libs like the concept of progressive, right? It's time to flush the White House and get rid of the crap before it's too late.

15. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,494 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    20   7:14am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Honest Abe says America is CLEARLY worse off now. What indicater (singular) is better? Food prices? Gas prices? Numbers on welfare? Inflation? Your measurement is flawed. When I say we're better off, it's because we're better off than we would be under John McCain. There would still be a hundred thousand troops in Iraq if McCain was president. No surrender, remember? Furthermore without the stimulus, we'd be in a much deeper depression. We're far better off under Obama. No comparison.

16. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,069 comments

    21   7:20am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Honest Abe says America is worse off due to Obama = FAIL I think that by this Abe must mean that he hasn't undone the harm of the Bush years enough. The tax cuts, wars, corporate subsidies, and medicare part D combined with the finacial crash of 2008 put us in an overextended deleveraging state that doesn't have easy solutions. If only stupid simplistic sound bites were the solution. Right Abe ? In Abe's world, bringing Bush back (or a more extreme version) is the solution to the problems caused by Bush that we still haven't overcome.

17. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

    22   7:39am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   It is really sick that with all the government money going into the housing market, money which none of the recipients worked for, that we worry that some poor homeless guy is going to cheat the government out of five cents.

18. monkframe Follow Befriend 7 threads 187 comments Pacifica, CA

    23   7:45am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   StillLooking says It is really sick that with all the government money going into the housing market, money which none of the recipients worked for, that we worry that some poor homeless guy is going to cheat the government out of five cents. Actually, all the government money is going to the big banks, who then turn around and speculate in the markets. They are bigger than ever, and taking bigger chances than ever. This, IMO, was one of Mr. Obama's biggest mistakes - letting the boys at Goldman Sachs "advise" him on monetary policy. I can't help but wonder if he doesn't regret this.

19. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    24   9:31am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Spend less than you take in. you will eventually reach equilibrium marcus says If only simplistic sound bites were the solution.

20. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    25   9:56am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   xrpb11a says Well, it still depends on how you define "better off"... Welfare freeloaders are looking pretty good these days... And they will be looking even better during the second term. If you want a "look" at Obama's true intentions, read this quote from the video below of him very closely: "Too many folks still don't have a sense that tomorrow will be better than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we go?" President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday. "Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked. "Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?" http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/13/obama_a_new_vision_of_an_america_which_prosperity_is_shared.html Two take-aways from the above quotes that show his true colors: 1) "...new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared"... Let's see a show of hands, how many of you want to share your prosperity with everyone else???? 2) "...same policies that got us in the mess".... Who has been making "policy" for the last 3 years and signing all the bills and laws??? I don't think it was Bush, he's not currently in office... are we better off then we were 3-1/2 years ago???

21. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    26   10:33am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Furthermore without the stimulus, we'd be in a much deeper depression. We're far better off under Obama. No comparison. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=9sL Blue is monthly job gain/loss Red is quarterly consumer debt take-on Green is quarterly government debt take-on The timing is undeniable here.

22. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    27   10:34am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   xrpb11a says Spend less than you take in. you will eventually reach equilibrium the equilibrium of the end of the monopoly game, yes. the silence of the tomb

23. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    28   10:39am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Call it Crazy says Let's see a show of hands, how many of you want to share your prosperity with everyone else???? ooh me me me! Call it Crazy says Who has been making "policy" for the last 3 years and signing all the bills and laws??? I don't think it was Bush, he's not currently in office... are we better off then we were 3-1/2 years ago??? Congress has been gated in changing what the policy status quo that was established 1995-2006. The Democratic majority couldn't do anything 2007-2008 thanks to the Bush veto threat. The Obama majority couldn't do much thanks to McConnell's blocking position in the Senate for most of 2009 (even with Spector bailing to the Dems, Franken was only seated in July and Kennedy died in August). You really don't understand how government works much at all. Obama was able to get some compromise through at the end of the 2010 session -- the 2% payroll tax cut and extension of the 2 years of EUC benefits through most of 2012. That's about the limit of the change Obama has been able to get through Congress. We're deadlocked basically, meaning the vast bulk of Bush-era policy is still in place.

24. xrpb11a Follow Befriend (4) 2 threads 787 comments

    29   10:45am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Not really. You clear the board and start a new game... Bellingham Bill says the equilibrium of the end of the monopoly game, yes.

25. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    30   11:08am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   We were able to effectively "clear the board" 1600-1900 by finding a new one with no properties on it. That was the foundation of American Exceptionalism, billions of acres of good, productive land almost free for the taking. The Russians, Chinese, Cubans, and Vietnamese cleared the board the hard way the previous century.

26. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    31   11:21am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bellingham Bill says Obama was able to get some compromise through at the end of the 2010 session -- the 2% payroll tax cut and extension of the 2 years of EUC benefits through most of 2012. That's about the limit of the change Obama has been able to get through Congress. That's my point... when the dems had majority in both senate and congress, if they had proposed GOOD solutions and policies, they could have received support from both sides dem/repub and had enough support to get the bills approved. Apparently, the new solutions and policies they proposed couldn't sway enough repubs to cross over..... what's that tell you about these "solutions"????

27. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,616 comments

    32   11:31am Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Call it Crazy says Apparently, the new solutions and policies they proposed couldn't sway enough repubs to cross over..... what's that tell you about these "solutions"???? lol--you assume that the Republicans were actually trying to better the country. Which is a very poor assumption. Their job, as Ruki will be the first to tell you, is to block anything Obama wants to get through. No matter how beneficial it may be to the country.

28. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    33   1:03pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   tatupu70 says lol--you assume that the Republicans were actually trying to better the country. Which is a very poor assumption. For starters, like I've said in the past, I think the Repub's suck too!!! Both parties are in it for personal benefit.... period!! There were no "assumptions"... tatupu70 says Their job, as Ruki will be the first to tell you, is to block anything Obama wants to get through. As it was during Bush's last two years.... that's all part of the "game"... I was just making my point above to the posters who just want to blame the Repub's (or Bush) for today's current problems..... Both sides are equally to blame...(but Obama is setting some new records and setting the bar so high I don't even think the Repubs will be able to match it.)

29. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    34   1:38pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Call it Crazy says when the dems had majority in both senate and congress, if they had proposed GOOD solutions and policies, they could have received support from both sides dem/repub and had enough support to get the bills approved. utter and complete bullshit. "Our first priority is to make Obama a one-term president." -- Senate Minority Leader. Dems didn't need a single Republican vote in the House, due to its majoritarian nature. McConnell was the gating factor, along with the least progressive Democrats (all in red states other than Lieberman).

30. david1 Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 755 comments 33 male Fort Mill, SC

    35   2:05pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Lets not forget the unfortunate use of the filibuster. This means the Seante needed 60 votes. Republicans will tell you that the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority for 2 years, but... There was of course the Minnesota Franken v. Coleman race, in which Republicans held this seat up in the courts until June 2009. There goes 5 months where Democrats only had 59 votes. By the time Franken was sworn in, Ted Kennedy hadn't voted in 4 months due to his health. And Kennedy died in August, so there goes another two months. It took another month for Kirk to be sworn in. 8 months total gone. So starting in the month of October, Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Of course November had Thanksgiving recess and December Christmas recess, so that shortened the three months to more like two. Then in January Scott Brown was elected to the Kennedy seat, and he took office in the beginning of February '10. End of the Filibuster proof majority, end of control of both houses of Congress. So three months is what they had. I think they got quite a lot accomplished given that abridged schedule. As was said before, this obstructionist Republican party has made it job #1 from day #1 to do nothing, NOTHING to help any part of the electorate during this economic downturn. They have been setting it up to run on a poor economy, "Obama's" poor economy, for 3.75 years.

31. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    36   3:38pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike

32. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    37   4:35pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   david1 says As was said before, this obstructionist Republican party has made it job #1 from day #1 to do nothing, NOTHING to help any part of the electorate during this economic downturn. They have been setting it up to run on a poor economy, "Obama's" poor economy, for 3.75 years. So what's so surprising about that?? This is how the game is played in D.C.!! But, if the Dems had come up with a real good plan or idea, don't you think a few of the repubs would have jumped ship to support it and ram it through? Now, if the ideas that the Dems came up with were crap, then you get the normal stalemate.... business as usual in D.C.

33. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    38   4:37pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bellingham Bill says "Our first priority is to make Obama a one-term president." -- Senate Minority Leader. Wow, another surprise.... not.... that's his main goal!! Bellingham Bill says Dems didn't need a single Republican vote in the House, due to its majoritarian nature. huh????

34. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,616 comments

    39   6:27pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Call it Crazy says But, if the Dems had come up with a real good plan or idea, don't you think a few of the repubs would have jumped ship to support it and ram it through You don't really need to ask this question. The answer is obviously no. The last 4 years have shown that conclusively

35. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,766 comments

    40   7:19pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   tatupu70 says Call it Crazy says But, if the Dems had come up with a real good plan or idea, don't you think a few of the repubs would have jumped ship to support it and ram it through You don't really need to ask this question. The answer is obviously no. The last 4 years have shown that conclusively That's what I thought, the Dems haven't come up with a good plan...

36. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,494 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    41   7:40pm Mon 13 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Call it Crazy says But, if the Dems had come up with a real good plan or idea, don't you think a few of the repubs would have jumped ship to support it and ram it through? This is so blind and naive that I can't believe you uttered it. We're talking about a Republican congress that has filibustered Republican bills.

37. Mick Russom Follow Befriend (2) 7 threads 530 comments Belmont, CA

    42   10:20am Tue 14 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says For all their flaws, Democrats are the only thing standing in the way. And this compromise you are willing to make is the exact cause of the rot in this country. Pick the right option, not the lesser of two evils.

38. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,494 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    43   10:41am Tue 14 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Mick Russom says And this compromise you are willing to make is the exact cause of the rot in this country. Pick the right option, not the lesser of two evils. The Democrats are not the lesser of two evils, the Democrats aren't evil at all. Where they fail, it is because they drink the kool aid from free market Republicans. I have very few disagreements with Obama. I have a few more disagreements with congressional Democrats, but overall the Democrats are the ONLY future this country has. If the entire Republican party disappeared overnight, and the entire government was 100% Democrat, you'd start seeing legitimate debate on important issues. We'd have campaign finance reform. We'd have rational public health care. We'd have anti-trust enforcement. We'd have progressive taxes in place again. Yes there might be misguided attempts at gun control, abortion rights, and environmental regulation, however that shit is meaningless right now next to the threat of an aristocracy that LITERALLY will not pay any taxes. We might as well start handing out noble titles again.

39. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    44   11:30am Tue 14 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says We might as well start handing out noble titles again. Part of the nobility deal was the serfs being bought & sold with the land. http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/23403/REOPR22712F.pdf

40. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 29 threads 1,476 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    45   11:39am Tue 14 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Mick Russom says Pick the right option, not the lesser of two evils. Voting, as presently structured in our general elections (and primary elections to a great extent too) is not an exercise in picking the right option. Voting is determining which of the present options you prefer to be put into power. This was recently demonstrated in 2000, when 97,488 Nader voters ended up effectively putting Bush into power. If they were all OK with that outcome, then their vote was not a colossal fuck-up. However, I think we can find 538 FL Nader voters who wish they had held their nose and voted for Gore instead. As iwog states above, the major Democratic mistakes have occurred when they go along with Republican initiatives -- Vietnam, Reagan tax cuts, Greenspan Commission, NAFTA, Graham-Leach-Bliley, NCLB, 2002 AUMF, . . . The problem is not that the Democrats are wrong-headed, the problem is there's just too much right-wing bullshit in this country driving our elections, politics, and policies over the cliff.

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