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Introducing the next Senator from Maine


By iwog   Follow   Sat, 11 Aug 2012, 7:44am   3,042 views   43 comments
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I like this guy. He's destroying both the Democrat and Republican running against him and will win easily in a landslide in November.

- Supports Obamacare
- Supports same sex marriage
- Rational environmentalist
- Will vote as a Democrat on taxation
- Supports filibuster reform in the Senate to stop Republicans from mutilating government

Although I predicted earlier that the Senate would probably go to the Republicans, King will likely make the result 50-50 with Joe Biden getting a new job.....

........IF Elizabeth Warren can prevail in Massachusetts.

http://angus2012.com/

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  1. Quigley


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    I agree that the GOP and tea party have prevented necessary tax law changes. I'm ok with what I know of the obama plan. But right now the house is full of republicans who won't support new taxes on the wealthy, or even fair and equal taxes for that matter. Electing new senators won't change that. I have little hope that things will get better. History repeats itself with uncanny precision. I believe we are heading back into the dark days of the robber barons, and Romney makes the most sense as the guy to lead us there. Since I also have little faith in the election process and believe it to be manipulated by people with money, I think they want Romney and thus he will win.
    Prepare your sphincter!

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    Quigley says

    I believe we are heading back into the dark days of the robber barons, and Romney makes the most sense as the guy to lead us there. Since I also have little faith in the election process and believe it to be manipulated by people with money, I think they want Romney and thus he will win.

    Romney can't win unless the polls are completely wrong.

    Anyway you're right that we are headed back into the dark days of robber barons. The best way to get to the other side and a political renaissance is to remove the filibuster and let Republicans crash the nation on the rocks.

    Then they can't blame obstructionist Democrats for filibustering their vital idiotic legislation and they will be terminated just like in 1933.

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    iwog says

    Quigley says

    1)I don't care about same sex marriage.

    I don't either.

    I do. And I firmly believe that you would CARE if you had 1,138+ LESS RIGHTS as I do as a taxpaying American Citizen.

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    7   5:16pm Sat 11 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Buster says

    iwog says



    Quigley says


    1)I don't care about same sex marriage.


    I don't either.


    I do. And I firmly believe that you would CARE if you had 1,138+ LESS RIGHTS as I do as a taxpaying American Citizen.

    I am all for the gays being allowed to marry. Then they will be introduced to alimony , divorce wars, the government in their business as opposed to them choosing to go their own ways and dealing with it individually.

    I think the government should be out of it completely. The government has way too much control here-never in history has there been this sort of governemnt where the government has the "right " to control every family in America-down to how much time each parent spends with the child, how much money one should contribute and other minutia. It is just absurd.

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    lostand confused says

    I think the government should be out of it completely.

    Well, until it is, I will advocate for equal civil rights.

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    Quigley says

    tea party have prevented necessary tax law changes.

    My tea party sent me a copy of 15 bills sent in by our guy in gov, trying to change the tax code. Plus, so far as I know, we have not been granted any veto power.

    My guess is, what you may have ment was, "change the tax code in a way that suits the tax-spend liberals in Gov" ?

    p.s., there are LOTS of liberals with an "R" ... Bush for example. We need more conservative "D" members to help get things right.

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    Bap33 says

    p.s., there are LOTS of liberals with an "R" ... Bush for example

    Bush is a liberal like I'm a religious conservative.

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    bush is a liberal from the point of view of any true conservative. much like Lord Barry is a dictator and Rom and Eric are lynchmen, in the eyes of any true American.

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    Bap33 says

    bush is a liberal from the point of view of any true conservative. much like Lord Barry is a dictator and Rom and Eric are lynchmen, in the eyes of any true American.

    or at least in the eyes of a delusional angry pissed off old fart...

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    yea .. or that.

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    Bap33 says

    bush is a liberal from the point of view of any true conservative. much like Lord Barry is a dictator and Rom and Eric are lynchmen, in the eyes of any true American.

    You can't keep redefining words like dictator.

    Obama is no more a dictator than any prior president. A real dictator wouldn't be putting up with Republican obstructionism and would simply implement policy without congress.

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    iwog says

    A real dictator wouldn't be putting up with Republican obstructionism and would simply implement policy without congress.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/politics/immigration/index.html

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    Bellingham Bill says

    iwog says

    A real dictator wouldn't be putting up with Republican obstructionism and would simply implement policy without congress.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/politics/immigration/index.html

    Obama is well within the law. Our current immigration bill provides discretion by the executive branch on deportations. Regardless of if you agree or disagree, Obama is not acting as a dictator.

    What is so absurd is that the Supreme Court is VERY hostile to the Democrats and a simple lawsuit from congressional Republicans would reverse Obama's executive order and we could start deporting 2 year olds again.

    The reason it doesn't happen is that congressional Republicans aren't that stupid and know they would lose.

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    Ruki says

    How can that be possible since you also predict Obama will win? You do realize of course that Senate elections have increasingly gone the way of Presidential elections when both the 1/3 of the Senate up for election and the President is at the same time, right?

    This is yet another post that will cause you to change your screen name again when Obama wins the election.

    You've made every argument in the book why Obama cannot be re-elected, you've called every argument for why Obama will win wrong, you've called patnet people various names for claiming Obama will win another 4 years, and you've done it all in at least a dozen threads or more.

    You really don't have any choice now if you're wrong. If Obama wins, all of these threads you've created can be bumped and you'll be the laughing stock of Patnet.

    The Senate still might go to the Republicans. It all depends on Massachusetts now. Nothing else. Obama will win easily.

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    I just read that the Dem boss (Harry) in the Senate is sitting on all the activity and stopping any voting. And it is not the Repubs that are holding up things ... like a budget. Is that true?

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    Bap33 says

    I just read that the Dem boss (Harry) in the Senate is sitting on all the activity and stopping any voting. And it is not the Repubs that are holding up things ... like a budget. Is that true?

    No.

    The House must originate legislation. All of the bills sent to the Senate, like trying to repeal Obamacare 33 times, are DOA because Republicans are not allowed to compromise on anything. Furthermore Democrats in the Senate with a Democrat in the executive branch have a right to expect at least some influence on legislation, but they are allowed none.

    A great example of this is the Bipartisan Debt Deal to increase the debt ceiling passed in 2011. It provides to automatic cuts to Medicare AND military spending if congress is unable to compromise on spending cuts and tax increases.

    Well that deadline is fast approaching so Republicans in the House decided to do something about it. They passed a bill raising military spending and cutting Medicare and other social programs even more.

    This is an absolutely stunning example of childish idiocy by the Republican party. Not only do they refuse to compromise on anything, they have the unmitigated arrogance to try and circumvent the debt deal with a piece of legislation that takes a massive shit on the former agreement.

    Republicans: "Democrats control the Senate and the White House, but we get whatever we want or we'll shut everything down!

    This is the reality of American politics. Democrats willing to compromise and Republicans trying to kill the process of government.

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    iwog says

    This is the reality of American politics. Democrats willing to compromise and Republicans trying to kill the process of government.

    I'm afraid you are exactly right. If, as I expect, Obama wins reelection and the Republicans retain the House, I'd say the chances of a default are somewhere between likely and certain. Obama can't let the Repubs play "government by blackmail" forever.

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    iwog says

    The House must originate legislation

    Constitutionally, revenue (and appropriations by precedent) bills must originate in the House.

    The Dec 2010 tax cut bill started life as a bill that funded airport extensions (which the Senate then used as the vehicle to write their own bill), LOL. What a shitty government we have.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4853:

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    bdrasin says

    I'd say the chances of a default are somewhere between likely and certain

    My thesis too. Romney wins, I expect fiscal rocket rides, like what we got with Reagan and GWB.

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=9vj

    Obama wins, I don't expect much to happen -- Obama might cave, Republicans might cave, or nobody yields.

    But Republicans aren't going to agree to massive monetary expansion unless they get to run on the benefits of it in 2016.

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    Bellingham Bill says

    But Republicans aren't going to agree to massive monetary expansion unless they get to run on the benefits of it in 2016.

    I don't see how they can agree to it. Obviously in the 1980s when Reagan invented gross overspending or in the 1990s when Clinton chewed up the cold war budget, but not now. The media agenda is dominated by Newscorp and they continue to preach the radical tea party agenda.

    Besides I'm convinced that the only rational explanation of Paul Ryan as the VP nominee is that he's the heir apparent in 2016. Paul Ryan agreeing to the necessary monetary expansion is unthinkable and would be like electing Hitler to run the Anti-Defamation League.

    At the same time, electing a radial psychopath like Ryan to the White House isn't possible without a severe depression and blame assigned to the Democrats. Therefore the only logical path over the next four years for Republicans is gridlock.

    It certainly might fail and Democrats might sweep in 2014, but Republicans don't have any other options. They come to the table with absolutely nothing. To continue the right-wing revolution, they need a major crisis. An economic 911.

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    iwog says

    To continue the right-wing revolution, they need a major crisis. An economic 911.

    Never let a crisis go to waste. -- Rahm Emanuel, Republican

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    25   1:50pm Tue 21 Aug 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    @iwog,
    why is there no budget from Harry for the last 3 years? Is there something I am missing?

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    Bap33 says

    @iwog,

    why is there no budget from Harry for the last 3 years? Is there something I am missing?

    Yes Iwog, I'm waiting on that answer from you too.....

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    Bap33 says

    @iwog,
    why is there no budget from Harry for the last 3 years? Is there something I am missing?

    The ability to think for yourself.

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    Bap33 says

    @iwog,

    why is there no budget from Harry for the last 3 years? Is there something I am missing?

    The Democrats are not allowed to pass a budget. There has been no offer of compromise or even negotiation from Republicans.

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    It also happens to be true that under the Constitution, budgets originate in the House, and Reid is the Senate majority leader.

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    iwog says

    Romney can't win unless the polls are completely wrong.

    Iwog, unfortunately Romney can win.

    He does not need much. He already went to Jerusalem and literally sold America there. As the result he will get a lot of jewish votes, which gives him Florida and probably Virginia. With his piles of money he can buy enough votes to get Nevada and Colorado. If on top of this he wins just a third of delegates from other swing states he wins the elections. That should be quite easy for him with the amount of money he got.

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    If the election were held today, Romney would very close to winning and the Republicans would probably control the Senate.

    http://electoral-vote.com

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    Bellingham Bill says

    If the election were held today, Romney would very close to winning and the Republicans would probably control the Senate.


    http://electoral-vote.com

    King will vote Dem in Maine and Missouri is no longer leaning Rep after Akin's debacle. I'd say Senate fortunes have changed in the last couple of weeks.

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    rooemoore says

    Bap33 says

    @iwog,

    why is there no budget from Harry for the last 3 years? Is there something I am missing?

    The ability to think for yourself.

    Typical Lib. answer......

    iwog says

    The Democrats are not allowed to pass a budget. There has been no offer of compromise or even negotiation from Republicans.

    Another typical Lib. answer without any proof......

    msilenus says

    It also happens to be true that under the Constitution, budgets originate in the House, and Reid is the Senate majority leader.

    Absolutely correct, and the House has sent over several budgets that they passed over to the Senate, and the Senate has done jackshit to propose/pass a budget for three years...

    Nice try guys!!!

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    @iwog,
    anyone
    please give both sides of the situation so I really understand. Thanks. As it is now, all I read on-line is Harry is not doing anything.

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    Call it Crazy says

    Typical Lib. answer......

    Witty and accurate? I guess you're right it is a typical lib answer!

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    Bellingham Bill says

    If the election were held today, Romney would very close to winning

    Not according to the money.

    http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres12_WTA.cfm

    Let's see how close to 50 the red rep graph can get when the republican hold their liefest in a couple weeks. I say if it does't get real close to 50 or over, then the election is over. That is, assuming they haven't taken total control of the voting machines and implemented sufficient voting suppression to throw the election to the plutocrat and corporate overlords.

    Don't get me wrong. Another Obama term may well be part of the overlord's master plan. They'll bring republican Ronald Reagan II in, only when the economy is ready to boom again, and talk about how badly the democrats fucked it up for all those years.

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    Bap33 says

    @iwog,

    anyone

    please give both sides of the situation so I really understand. Thanks. As it is now, all I read on-line is Harry is not doing anything.

    For all of it's faults, the Senate rarely resorts to the pointless shenanigans the House does. (Over 25 votes to repeal all or some of Obamacare only to say they did it) Senators like to think they are above that.

    Anyway, in these times, what would be the point of Harry Reid and the democrats offering a budget. It would get filibustered and not even make it out of the Senate

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    marcus says

    That is, assuming they haven't taken total control of the voting machines and implemented sufficient voting suppression to throw the election to the plutocrat and corporate overlords.
    Don't get me wrong. Another Obama term may well be part of the overlord's master plan.

    Wow and I thought MY tinfoil hat was on too tight.

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    rooemoore says

    Anyway, in these times, what would be the point of Harry Reid and the democrats offering a budget.

    Because it's their duty and what they get paid by YOU to do....

    But, if they passed a budget, then they couldn't continue to rape and pillage the american people.....

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    Call it Crazy says

    Because it's their duty and what they get paid by YOU to do....

    Right, just like it's the Republican's duty to pass 33 resolutions repealing obamacare. What you call duty, I call a bunch of babies throwing a tantrum. You'd call it that too if it was the Democrats.

    Call it Crazy says

    But, if they passed a budget, then they couldn't continue to rape and pillage the american people.....

    This doesn't even make sense.

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    iwog says

    This doesn't even make sense.

    I know, come on, say it with me.....

    It's all Bush's Fault!!!!!!

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    Call it Crazy says

    It's all Bush's Fault!!!!!!

    It's all George Washington's fault.

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    Call it Crazy says

    Absolutely correct, and the House has sent over several budgets that they passed over to the Senate, and the Senate has done jackshit to propose/pass a budget for three years...
    Nice try guys!!!

    In the same sentence you acknowledge that the Senate is not empowered by the constitution to propose a budget, and ding the Senate for not proposing budgets. Stunning.

    The other fork of your criticism --that the Senate hasn't passed a budget-- begs the question that the House is passing budgets that should be passed. It's not. The House is controlled by a huge margin by one party, and its budgets boil down to compromises between the far right and the right wing. Glossing over that question while ackowledging that the onus is on the House to produce a budget implies that you think the Senate should be rubber-stamping what the House produces. I can't reconcile that view with the notion that you've read the Federalist Papers, so I'm going to take it upon myself to introduce you to them.

    Below are the closing remarks of Maddison and Hamilton's first article explaining the motivation and function of the Senate. The "tl;dr" version is that one function of the Senate is as a corrective against wild changes in policy over short periods of time, which are made possible by frequent elections in other branches. Originally Senators were appointed by state Governors. When the constitution was ammended to elect them, the original intent was preserved by giving them six-year, non-overlapping terms.

    If you're wondering what all that has to do with the kinds of budgets the House is passing, recall that none other than Newt Gingrich, when first confronted with the Ryan budget, called it "right wing social engineering." Because that is what it was.

    From Federalist 62:

    Fourthly. The mutability in the public councils arising from a rapid succession of new members, however qualified they may be, points out, in the strongest manner, the necessity of some stable institution in the government. Every new election in the States is found to change one half of the representatives. From this change of men must proceed a change of opinions; and from a change of opinions, a change of measures. But a continual change even of good measures is inconsistent with every rule of prudence and every prospect of success. The remark is verified in private life, and becomes more just, as well as more important, in national transactions.

    To trace the mischievous effects of a mutable government would fill a volume. I will hint a few only, each of which will be perceived to be a source of innumerable others.

    In the first place, it forfeits the respect and confidence of other nations, and all the advantages connected with national character. An individual who is observed to be inconstant to his plans, or perhaps to carry on his affairs without any plan at all, is marked at once, by all prudent people, as a speedy victim to his own unsteadiness and folly. His more friendly neighbors may pity him, but all will decline to connect their fortunes with his; and not a few will seize the opportunity of making their fortunes out of his. One nation is to another what one individual is to another; with this melancholy distinction perhaps, that the former, with fewer of the benevolent emotions than the latter, are under fewer restraints also from taking undue advantage from the indiscretions of each other. Every nation, consequently, whose affairs betray a want of wisdom and stability, may calculate on every loss which can be sustained from the more systematic policy of their wiser neighbors. But the best instruction on this subject is unhappily conveyed to America by the example of her own situation. She finds that she is held in no respect by her friends; that she is the derision of her enemies; and that she is a prey to every nation which has an interest in speculating on her fluctuating councils and embarrassed affairs.

    The internal effects of a mutable policy are still more calamitous. It poisons the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

    Another effect of public instability is the unreasonable advantage it gives to the sagacious, the enterprising, and the moneyed few over the industrious and uniformed mass of the people. Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue, or in any way affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change, and can trace its consequences; a harvest, reared not by themselves, but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow-citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the FEW, not for the MANY.

    In another point of view, great injury results from an unstable government. The want of confidence in the public councils damps every useful undertaking, the success and profit of which may depend on a continuance of existing arrangements. What prudent merchant will hazard his fortunes in any new branch of commerce when he knows not but that his plans may be rendered unlawful before they can be executed? What farmer or manufacturer will lay himself out for the encouragement given to any particular cultivation or establishment, when he can have no assurance that his preparatory labors and advances will not render him a victim to an inconstant government? In a word, no great improvement or laudable enterprise can go forward which requires the auspices of a steady system of national policy.

    But the most deplorable effect of all is that diminution of attachment and reverence which steals into the hearts of the people, towards a political system which betrays so many marks of infirmity, and disappoints so many of their flattering hopes. No government, any more than an individual, will long be respected without being truly respectable; nor be truly respectable, without possessing a certain portion of order and stability.

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