Watchhttp://rt.com/usa/news/florida-man-police-kill-325/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20124838/police-seeking-robber-kill-unarmed-innocent-man/
Also I heard this on story on NPR this morning. The police, realizing they murdered an innocent man, made up a story about him pointing a gun at them.
These cops should be charge with at least second degree murder. They illegally enter a private home of an innocent person and kill him. The police are far more dangerous to society than other criminals because the courts protect the illegal activities of the police.
The term "probably cause" has come to mean any whim a cop has.
Unless these police are prosecuted as fully as any civilian would be, the entire country will continue to be in danger from barbaric lawless law enforcers.
The pro-gun right conservatives should be the most outraged about this as the police murdered this man, in effect, for being a legally armed man defending his home from invaders who did not identify themselves as police while they were bashing in his door.
If I hear anything from the right other than absolute condemnation of the police, outrage at their behavior, and calls for prosecution, I'm going to call bullshit on the entire right wing.
If the right believes in any of the social policies they preach, they should be as outraged as us liberals on this murder. Especially since murders like this happen way more often than some crazy shooting up a theater or terrorist attacks.
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AlexS says
Whenever Apocalypse is the most rational guy in the room, the situation is all fucked up.
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Which is why the only solution is to have a civilian "cop control" force that is authorized to use deadly force against the police when they threaten public safety.
Also, civilians should be able to prosecute cops in a court system that is independent of the criminal court system used against civilians. The judges cannot be trusted.
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Of course the cops lied. Saw a video the other day of a Penn guy. basically a goof, who was beaten close to death, in a routine traffic stop, by police and charged with all sorts of made up shit and is rotting in prison, likely will just die there after being stomped and raped to death by neonazis. Cop broke his hand beating this guys face - and they brought an ambulance for the cop, even though the kids head was wide open. Every charge was bogus.
The only response to a knocked door these days is a tactical nuke. The cops are hyper-entitled murderous psychopaths who regard themselves as entitled to maim and kill everyone and anyone for any reason or no reason in the name of 'officer safety'. If a cop is near you, he is bored and wants to maim you for entertainment, preferably while you are handcuffed.
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Fact: One of the most popular items in police supplies stores is the OPERATION GHETTO STORM T-shirt. Typically, the illustration shows a burning city with attack helicopters hovering over it, firing down into the mayhem below.
This is cops' idea of what policing is all about these days - a license for genocide. Cops are so strung out on B movies and twisted academy training and direct influence of the military (they can get training and materiele from government programs) that they really believe they're at war.
Did you know there is a cop memorial in Washington, DC to 'honor the fallen heroes' that protect us on our mean streets. Oh, please, fuck me. Violent crime has been falling since 1973. The 20th Century was a tough time to be a cop. In the 60s and 70s, real trouble, uprisings, rioting, violent crime ascendant but, still, the academies taught policing as a governance mechanism managed by constitutional guarantees.
Now, it's all about Officer Safety, what one old cop I know refers to as fear-based policing. If I were prime minister, all of these assholes would be retired and replaced with youngsters grounded in constitutional law and required a day a week to coach the PAL teams, ride the garbage trucks and shake cans, take a parks system assignment planting trees, landscaping-etc and take a shift as a substitute teacher in the public schools or private schools in the district that would take them. Then I'd sell the cars, buy them sneakers and put them in the neighborhoods on foot with best of class radio and telemetry systems so officers could locate each other and swam on a location that really needed attention. They don't like taking the bus to work and walking, hey, let them find another job with full benefits and a 20-year vesting defined benefit pension.
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Surprised they didn't plant a half-smoked reefer.
When Right-wingers speak of freedom that really mean obeying cops, clerics, and other mustachioed 'infallible' father figure types.
We need the "No Resisting Arrest without Other Charges". IE If you aren't charged with anything, you can't be charged with resisting arrest: Aren't you right to resist arrest if they have absolutely nothing to charge you with? Resisting arrest is one of those crimes where cops can make up complete bullshit and get away with it.
(Removed off topic rant, but put it back in after response post)
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There's a difference between HOW parties govern, and the makeup of their base.
You're far more likely to find people who identify as Republicans cheering on Police Brutality, Bullshit Charges, etc. and less likely to find those who identify as Democrat doing the same thing.
Of course, there are libertarian leaning Republicans, and other Republicans who are suspicious of cops, but they are a minority, even if they are substantial.
See the posts on this very board - a poster's political affiliation was the best indicator of what they felt about Zimmerman and the Authorities letting him off (before the story broke nationally and the State of Florida was forced by public pressure to intervene). When the drudgereport - and Drudge has a libertarian bent - posts a link involving suspicious cop behavior - that link will be swamped with "Well, (Victim) should have obeyed/licked the balls of the authorities" comments from his mostly right wing leaders. I doubt the same happens when Mother Jones links an article about bad cop behavior.
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thunderlips11 says
Unfortunate, but true.
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Absolutely agreed. Also, disorderly conduct should be removed from the law books and all people convicted of it should be retroactively found innocent and compensated. Furthermore, there should be very high standards of proof for obstruction of justice. Finally, any charge which is not affirmed to be correct by a jury should result in penalties for whatever state organization and individual brought up the charge. This includes obstruction of justice charges, and this includes charges that are later dropped.
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Agreed. Race is irrelevant in this case and this problem. I don’t know or care about the races of the people involved.
The problem is one of cops thinking they are above the law and courts agreeing out of convenience to the state’s interests.
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Absolutely! Wow, I’m agreeing with everybody here. It’s a nice change.
Also, watch 12 Angry Men. This should be required viewing for any jury prospect.
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I’m hoping the conservatives and the leftists can agree with us liberals on this issue. Still waiting for people like Ruki, Bap33, TenOunceTrout, and other conservatives to chime in.
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Dan8267 says
I never forgot that movie, I was blessed to go to a great public school in NY where I first saw it. I shudder to think of how ignorant I would have been had I attended a typical Florida School (having attended one my Senior year only, 11th Grade NY = 6th Grade Florida. I read books in an AP English Class for HS Seniors in Florida that we read in "Regular" 6th Grade English, like the Great Gatsby).
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Yep. Both parties support non-reciprocal free trade, expanded police powers, militarized police, etc. etc. They are enabled by an apathetic, ignorant public, which in turn is enabled by a wishy-washy media.
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From Doug Casey: "Yes. And cops are increasingly aggressive and paranoid in the US – it's not a good thing. We no longer see friendly "Andy Griffith" types who help lost kids get home. We see heavily armed and armored paramilitary thugs who see citizens as potential enemies. It's a fact that the term cops often use for civilians is "assholes." Cops increasingly suffer from an "us against them" mentality. Their first loyalty is to other cops, then to their employer, the government, and only then to those they're supposed to "serve and protect." It's laughable actually, the way they're portrayed in TV cop shows; good cops are becoming the exception, not the rule..."
http://lewrockwell.com/casey/casey130.html
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The judges cannot be trusted
Who is watching. The watchers?
Anytime someone forces you to subordinate to their supposed authority, you're all the way fucked.
Its rarely ever a race issue, relative to how justice in this country is always a money issue. That's why I say we needed an Affordable Lawcare Act, before we can ever address our collective health. One cannot be of good health in the body, if they are under constant duress of the mind and "soul". Literally. Elevated levels of cortisol, the bodys response to stress, causes chronic health issues. So long as law is merely a means of profiteering, this will only get worse. If you want to take the money out of politics, then socialize lawcare. What purpose does for profit law serve in a just society, anyways? So that we get the best law care, that money can buy? What happens to those of us that can't afford it? We end up in prison assembling government office furniture for .40 an hour so they can discard the perfectly good government office furniture that they paid 10x for last year. We end up forced to the door of those wrtched criminal defense attorneys to bankrupt our way free of persecution. The same attorneys that buy plates at the dinners of the judges and their politician friends. We end up on the wrong end of the night stick, shackled and thrown in a cage like an animal, left to rot
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Family members told CBS News station KCBS-TV that Nida had jaywalked across a busy street to buy cigarettes as his wife bought gas. Nida was spotted by a Downey officer, who said he was acting suspiciously. The officer asked Nida to sit down.
"He got up and ran away," Dolson said.
Meh. Don't break the law and then run away when they catch you. he's not innocent, he just didn't deserve to get shot, but you take that risk when you run away from cops.
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Meh?
Whatever happened to the old adage, we' rather have ten guilty men walk free, then have one innocent man wrongly shot to death by a brutally militant police state?
Did you really just rationalize someone being gunned down by police, for jaywalking?
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I'll always remember career day in High School. There were two types of kids who went to the police table: The smelly, bully types, the kind that whack off while burning stray cats, and the tightass asskissing hallway monitor types, the ones that ratted you out for smoking, but did the same shit themselves when the teachers weren't around.
foxmannumber1 says
Yeah, it was an innocent homeowner seeing who is pounding on his door at 1:30AM. For safety, he took his firearm in case it was criminals. He's supposed to use his psychic powers like superman and see through the door and know it's cops and not a home invasion?
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You neglected to mention that the cops neither handcuffed him nor searched him for weapons when he sat down as ordered the first time. Typical cop BS. They say they suspected weapons, but they never checked for a weapon when they stopped him. That's the excuse now after the cops in the incident talked with their union lawyer who is coaching them.
Also, why do our brave defenders insist on shooting every Chihuahua and Shih Tsu they come across in the line of duty?
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When normal citizens form battalions of twenty or so people armed with assault rifles and wearing body armor and burst into people's houses and slaughter them, and then get away with it because no court would even think of letting them be prosecuted, then I'll agree with you.
The police are more dangerous than other criminals because they have the weapons, the armor, access to private data and conversations, and zero accountability in the court system. Not even Al Capone was as much of a danger to society as the police today.
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Yes to all of it
But I'll tell you how they get away with it. The wrong people keep making the wrong issue out of it. It's always reported as a Black discrimination issue, which is complete rubbish, and it is always discarded. This is an American freedom problem and a liberty threat.
Until we start treating the issue as a breach of Democracy and Freedom instead of "Race Bait", then Cops will continue to make up Laws, that everyone violates.
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Captain, totally agree. It's not always race, sometimes it's just abuse of power.
Cops have entirely too much power. Sadly, it's because so many Americans, the otherwise normal, responsible ones, often try to get out of Jury Duty, leaving dumbasses and cranky old farts with nothing better to do in the Box.
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How sad. I have a healthy fear of the police, rightfully so. The police state is the biggest threat to our collective freedom and our individual liberties. I never hear the gun fearing leftists calling for disarmament of the police state. Conversely, they always seem to want to give them more power.
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Loyalty to the professional clan over the profession? This is a very dangerous trend. In case of police, it's also a characteristic of third world countries.
Very disturbing, indeed.
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CaptainShuddup says
He must have confused him with tenpoundass
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Dan8267 says
That Police Unions do everything in their power to prevent, circumvent, or destroy.
Another thing is that the Chiefs of Police just about everywhere are more and more the leader of the gang rather than the boss who enforces discipline or standards.
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APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says
Yep, They also sell Anti-Protester shirts. Cops HATE Protesters more than anything, no matter how non-violent they are. Protesting is silly, it's just an invitation for the Government to demonstrate they are capable of force.
Speaking of Protesters, don't you love the "Black Bloc" bullshit? I'm supposed to believe a bunch of "Anarchist" punk kids have the money to fly to every international conference ever held, and that none of them ever get stopped at the border. Yeah, right.