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  1. edvard2


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    5   11:45am Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Call it Crazy says

    What flavor kool-aid is your favorite?

    Democrat Kool-aid. Much better than Republican Kool-aid. But Like I said, all these little ranting posts make me want to do ( and probably others) is to vote for Obama more than ever. So keep it up. Maybe it'll help convince others to vote for Obama because when they see things like this then they realize that its a taste of what they'd get if Romney wins.

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    edvard2 says

    Maybe it'll help convince others to vote for Obama because when they see things like this then they realize that its a taste of what they'd get if Romney wins.

    That's Great.... Tell you what, share this list with your friends to help them make up their minds too:

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    So are Americans better off than they were four years ago? Of course not.

    The following are 40 statistics that will absolutely shock you....

    #1 During the time Barack Obama has been in the White House, median household income has fallen by 7.3 percent.
    #2 Back in 2007, 19.2 percent of all American families had a net worth of zero or less than zero. By 2010, that figure had soared to 32.5 percent.
    #3 According to the Federal Reserve, the median net worth of American families dropped "from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010".
    #4 According to the Pew Research Center, 61 percent of all Americans were "middle income" back in 1971. Today, only 51 percent of all Americans are "middle income".
    #5 Back in 1970, middle income Americans brought home 62 percent of all income in the United States. In 2010, middle income Americans only brought home 45 percent of all income.
    #6 The unemployment rate in the United States has been above 8 percent for 42 straight months.
    #7 The percentage of working age Americans with a job has been below 59 percent for 35 months in a row.
    #8 In June, the number of Americans added to the food stamp rolls was nearly three times larger than the number of jobs added to the U.S. economy.
    #9 Approximately 53 percent of all U.S. college graduates under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed last year.
    #10 Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of long-term unemployed Americans has risen from 2.7 million to 5.2 million.
    #11 Today, the average duration of unemployment in the United States is about three times as long as it was back in the year 2000.
    #12 According to a report that has just been released by the National Employment Law Project, 58 percent of the jobs that have been created since the end of the recession have been low paying jobs.
    #13 According to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, only 24.6 percent of all of the jobs in the United States are "good jobs".
    #14 In 2010, the number of jobs created at new businesses in the United States was less than half of what it was back in the year 2000.
    #15 The average pay for self-employed Americans fell by $3,721 between 2006 and 2010.
    #16 According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, America has lost an average of 15 manufacturing facilities a day over the last 10 years. During 2010 it got even worse. That year, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day shut down in the United States.
    #17 At this point, one out of every four American workers has a job that pays $10 an hour or less.
    #18 While Barack Obama has been president the velocity of money has plunged to a post-World War II low.
    #19 According to one recent survey, 85 percent of middle class Americans say that it is harder to maintain a middle class standard of living today compared with 10 years ago.
    #20 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.
    #21 There are now 20.2 million Americans that spend more than half of their incomes on housing. That represents a 46 percent increase from 2001.
    #22 Over the past decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages have in the United States.
    #23 Health insurance costs have risen by 23 percent since Barack Obama became president.
    #24 As I wrote about yesterday, back in 1980 less than 10 percent of U.S. GDP was spent on health care but now about 18 percent of U.S. GDP goes toward health care.
    #25 In a previous article, I noted that 62 percent of all middle class Americans say that they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.
    #26 Family budgets in America are being stretched to the breaking point. Today, 77 percent of all Americans live paycheck to paycheck at least part of the time.
    #27 While Barack Obama has been president, U.S. home values have fallen by another 11 percent.
    #28 More than three times as many new homes were sold in the United States in 2005 as will be sold in 2012.
    #29 The United States was once ranked #1 in the world in GDP per capita. Today we have slipped to #11.
    #30 Since Barack Obama became president, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by 6.4 million.
    #31 The number of Americans on food stamps has grown from about 17 million in the year 2000 to 31.9 million when Barack Obama entered the White House to 46.7 million today.
    #32 Approximately one-fourth of all U.S. children are enrolled in the food stamp program at this point.
    #33 It is being projected that half of all American children will be on food stamps at least once before they turn 18 years of age.
    #34 It is estimated that child homelessness in the United States has risen by 33 percent since 2007.
    #35 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, approximately one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.
    #36 As I wrote about the other day, it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.
    #37 It is being projected that the number of Americans on Medicare will grow from 50.7 million in 2012 to 73.2 million in 2025.
    #38 The number of Americans receiving federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010.
    #39 At this point, well over 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government.
    #40 Amazingly, more than half of all Americans are now at least partially financially dependent on the government.

    So are you better off than you used to be or worse off?

    FORWARD!!!!

  3. Carolyn C


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    7   1:04pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I don't believe for one minute that the president of the US is solely responsible for the whole mess the country is in. The problems are systemic and a result of greed, corruption, and mans lack of concern for their fellow man. Your posting are so bogus.

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    8   1:12pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)  

    I blame the 1%.
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    The 1% inflation lie that Bernanke keeps perpetuating.

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    9   1:16pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Call it Crazy says

    That's Great.... Tell you what, share this list with your friends to help them make up their minds too:

    As I mentioned in another post, making posts like these are totally pointless. Nobody is going to change their minds. 1000's of hours could be spent by those on the right making untold numbers of posts all indicating just how much they disapprove of Obama as President.

    But who cares? Nobody cares. Nobody is going to change their minds.

    So that being the case, please feel free to post as many of these types of posts as possible. I've got better things to do.

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    10   1:27pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)  

    edvard2 says

    As I mentioned in another post, making posts like these are totally pointless.

    I know, but it's fun posting facts and data that the kool-aid drinkers simply ignore....

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    11   1:34pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (4)  

    You're right edvard2, no matter how much of the ugly truth is presented, and no matter how negatively people are affected, and how much evidence is available...it will simply be ignored and denied by you and those of similar weak minds.

    Call it Crazy probably missed at least a dozen other damning pieces of evidence why "O" should go...like this: gas prices when obummer took office $1.65 - today they are $4.00 plus. Inflation, an insidious hidden tax, is raising its ugly head, negatively affecting those who can least afford it. Pretty compassionate, right?

    But go ahead and keep supporting a failed, dependent minded, food stamp oriented, so called president. A brain is a terrible thing to waste, but you're doing a pretty good job of it.

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    12   2:51pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    edvard2 says

    know, but it's fun posting facts and data that the kool-aid drinkers simply ignore. etc etc etc etc...

    If you can call most of what these posts are about as "facts". Honest Abe says

    You're right edvard2, no matter how much of the ugly truth is presented, and no matter how negatively people are affected, and how much evidence is available...it will simply be ignored and denied by you and those of similar weak minds.

    LOL! Man, it never fails when I come on here to be highly entertained. Seriously? I can't even believe I just bothered to even respond to that.. Yeah- whatever you say. LOL!!

    By the way, I just farted.

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    13   9:44pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)  

    evdard2 - your response shows you've got nothing...nothing. You're obviously a victim, or should I say a victocrat. Living in denial - willful and deliberate ignorance. So be it.

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    Honest Abe says

    ..like this: gas prices when obummer took office $1.65 - today they are $4.00 plus.

    That's a bullshit argument. $1.65 was a direct consequence of the depression at that time and consequential massive decline in the price of a barrel of oil due to the fall in demand. Are you saying that was a good thing? Oil prices also reached well over $4 during the Bush presidency. I notice you fail to mention that.

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    15   10:42pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Exactly whose fault is this?

    Ignorant Republicans whose only goal has been the defeat of Obama instead of the betterment of this country and its people.

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    Call it Crazy says

    I know, but it's fun posting facts and data that the kool-aid drinkers simply ignore....

    No one has ever ignored any fact you've posted and you're lying when you say they have.

    Call it Crazy says

    #1 During the time Barack Obama has been in the White House, median household income has fallen by 7.3 percent.

    Obviously since all the economic laws our nation is functioning under were passed by Republicans, and Republicans in congress refuse to let Obama change them.

    Regardless of your insistence that Obama was supposed to change the world with a few weeks majority in 2009, the reality is that this is STILL a Republican economy operating under Republican economic policy.

    You've been told this repeatedly, yet guess what!!!! You'll fucking lie again and say no one has ever addressed your facts.

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    17   11:26pm Fri 7 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    Call it Crazy says

    So are you better off than you used to be or worse off?

    Many of your stats are correct. What's off is your bizarre notion of cause and effect.

    "We left the country a total mess, he didn't fix it fast enough so let's fire him and put us back in" - Bill Clinton - referring to the Romney/Ryan Platform.

    I seriously doubt that even if Obama had a congress that would work with him for more than a few weeks, that we would be out of this yet.

    When was the last time that we had a serious economic recovery that wasn't lead by housing ?

    When was the last time housing dropped (nationwide) and when over a quarter of mortgage holders were underwater ?

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    iwog says

    No one has ever ignored any fact you've posted and you're lying when you say they have.

    That comment was primarily pointed to Edvard..... he doesn't care about facts....

    iwog says

    You'll fucking lie again and say no one has ever addressed your facts.

    They are not MY facts... as I have said MANY times before, I just post other people's articles.... but you want to shoot the messenger..... instead of refuting the data...

    It's amazing how you libtards get all up in arms when facts come out in opposition to your messiah....

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    marcus says

    Many of your stats are correct.

    Well, they are not MY stats, but I am amazed that you agree with many...

    marcus says

    "We left the country a total mess, he didn't fix it fast enough so let's fire him and put us back in" - Bill Clinton

    Nobody denies that Obama inherited a mess.... but, in almost 4 YEARS, what has he improved and gotten BETTER versus what has gotten WORSE....

    Don't start with the "repub blocking meme", that's so old...

    His job, the one he campagined for, was to be a LEADER and try to make everyone work together... Has he done that??

    His ability and systems might have worked in the slums of Chicago as a community organizer, but they haven't worked in the White House..

    Getting both sides of the isle to work together for the common good of the country is his primary job. Instead, he has divided the country even more over the last 4 years, and the overall condition of the country is a lot worse because of it..

    Plain and simple, he FAILED at his job and needs to be replaced with a new Head Coach...

    And before you start with the Romney will be worse chant.... I agree with that also.... but keeping the old coach in when his "playbook" hasn't worked isn't a solution either....

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    "We left the country a total mess, he didn't fix it fast enough so let's fire him and put us back in" - Bill Clinton - referring to the Romney/Ryan Platform.

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    marcus says

    "We left the country a total mess, he didn't fix it fast enough so let's fire him and put us back in" - Bill Clinton - referring to the Romney/Ryan Platform.

    Well, if Bill Clinton said it, it must be true!!!

    Wasn't he the same guy who got impeached????

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    Call it Crazy says

    Well, if Bill Clinton said it, it must be true!!!

    The reason for giving credit for the quote to Clinton is only that he said it. I wish I had put it that way, because it is exactly correct, and it is already what I was thinking.

    That is their platform and it's what you are arguing too.

    You think it's okay that we stride toward fascism, if part of the way we do that is by having a bunch of unamerican sociopath republicans in congress who put the goal of not cooperating with Obama above what's best for the country?

    You think we should let them force him out?

    Based supposedly on what a left wing radical he is, when in fact he is relatively conservative by any measure.

    THe politics in this country is totally fucked up !!!

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    marcus says

    THe politics in this country is totally fucked up !!!

    STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

    We finally agree on something!!!!!!

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    By the way, on the concept of 'radical' versus 'conservative.'

    The pledge that republicans take to not raise taxes at all when:

    1) Taxes are relatively low compared to the past century

    2) Deficits are probably our single biggest problem

    is BY FAR the most radical (in the negative sense) political policy that I have seen recieve wide support in my lifetime.

    Whether it's a "starve the beast" strategy or whether politicians really think spending can be cut without the leverage of tax increases to the powerful (if they aren't), it is the single most damaging fiscal policy (by far) that I have ever witnessed.

    The one part I sort of understand is that most politicians are in the highest tax bracket. And they grew up in the "me generation" of the 70s and 80s, so what it really comes down to again is rationalization, or dishonesty (with themselves).

    If taxes were based on last years expenditures, the decision making process would be completely different. The powerful, who are in the high brackets would have to make the tough decisions.

    The problem is that we could never have that, because too much preference would be given to spending and spending cut decisions that the voting public prefers and not enough weight would be given to the interests of corporations (big oil, big pharma, military industrial complex, insurance companies and so on...).

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    25   11:36am Sat 8 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    after-tax corporate profits:

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=anv

    "there's your problem, mate"

    income disparity:

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GINIALLRH

    "Don't start with the "repub blocking meme", that's so old..."

    it's also reality in our constitutional system:

    "No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law"

    The president is not a King. He runs the government that the Congress sets up. This is really Boehner's situation to fix more than Obama since Boehner has the tools to fix things (the power of the purse and the power to tax) while Obama generally has to be the executive overseer of the system Congress has enacted into law for him.

    This is not some fucking meme. It's the way things are.

    Funny how the idea of replacing Boehner (and McConnell) never crosses your pinheaded mind. Instead, in your world it is necessary for Obama to compromise with people who want to tear the country down.

    Well, fuck that.

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    Bellingham Bill says

    after-tax corporate profits:

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=anv

    "there's your problem, mate"

    Whatever happened to: "government of the people, by the people and for the people."

    Oh wait,...I forgot, corporations are people too. Truth is that some corporatations have far more power to influence the government than all of their employees voting power times 100. Hell, they often write the laws.

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    marcus says

    Whatever happened to: "government of the people, by the people and for the people."

    http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html

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    Interesting.

    As most people know, Eisenhower commented on it too, specifically regarding the military industrial complex.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.

    The only thing more amazing than what's happening is the number of people that are so easily manipulated and thrown off track from clearly seeing what's happening.

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    Call it Crazy says

    edvard2 says

    fail. Still voting for Obama.

    What flavor kool-aid is your favorite??

    Unless you are really wealthy and don't give a fuck about our country, you are the one drink kool-aid, my brother. If you think either Obama is to blame for any of this or anyone could have solved this in 4 years you are, quite frankly, ignorant (which I doubt). It is a 10 year downturn, and you know it.

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    rooemoore says

    If you think either Obama is to blame for any of this or anyone could have solved this in 4 years you are, quite frankly, ignorant

    Ahh yes, now quoting his "new" talking point... "it takes more than 4 years".... and ZERO responsibility for almost 4 years in office....

    The problem is, he hasn't made any headway in slowing down the train from going off the track in his first 4 years, but instead, has placed his foot harder on the accelerator....

    But he wants everyone to give him 4 more years.... Right...

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    Call it Crazy says

    but instead, has placed his foot harder on the accelerator....

    How did he do that?

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    Call it Crazy says

    But he wants everyone to give him 4 more years.... Right...

    Obama's main job is to knock some sense into the Republican House caucus.

    Talk about a shitty job.

    And if the electorate in its infinite wisdom (Dems now need 2 out of MA, CT, VA, and AZ) puts McConnell in charge of the Senate, it's going to be veto-city until at least 2015, assuming Obama is somehow returned to office in that scenario.

    God help us if the Republicans finally crawl back into controlling all 4 branches of government.

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    iwog says

    How did he do that?

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=aox

    if you squint you can almost see the Massive Government Spending Increase under Obama's reign of keynan socialist terror.

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    marcus says

    Eisenhower commented on it too

    Eisenhower's letter to his brother is good stuff:

    "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

    Unfortunately, 50-odd years later these Texas oil millionaires took over his party, plus the US Chamber of Commerce, and fund dozens if not hundreds of media propaganda mills and policy emitters.

    Fortunately, even if they manage to steal FL and OH again, they're 15 EVs -- two smaller states like WI & IA -- away from taking over.

    What a race. What an electorate.

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    Hey Call It Crazy,

    What would you have done differently.. If you were president back in 2009.. what would be the first thing you would have done? And explain precisely how it would FIX things in less than 4 years.. while keeping from being assassinated before those 4 years were up.

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    BoomAndBustCycle says

    What would you have done differently..

    that's kinda funny. Increasing government spending is obviously not good policy, since that increases the deficit, and that's bad.

    Can't raise taxes on anyone, since they're too high already.

    Cutting taxes raises the deficit, but that's OK because taxes are too high already.

    So clearly we need to cut taxes, especially on the richest Americans Job Creators, who pay so much of the tax burden already -- the top 10% pays over 70% of the taxes.

    http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/top10-percent-income-earners

    They pay $600B on $3.3T in income -- 18%! Way too high a burden on our society's economic heroes. We should cut that in half, giving them $300B of their hard-earned money back to invest in the Caymans our economy, just like how Romney has his many millions invested in American jobs here at home.

    Corporations are currently paying a heavy burden too -- $300B on $1.95T of taxable income. 15%! There's no way corporations can invest in the future with such a high tax burden. We should cut that to zero, giving our hard-working corporate citizens another $300B to rebuild America with, since, obviously, the $1.6T/yr they're already collecting in after-tax income just isn't enough.

    As for spending, cuts are a difficult subject but Americans need to be honest with ourselves about how many people are just superfluous these days.

    Old people are an immense uneconomic burden, and of course they're going to grow as medical services extend lifespans and everyone's generous COLAs kick in to support comfortable retirements.

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=aoC

    shows how social benefits -- the dole -- for old people has doubled since 2000!

    This is simply unaffordable, and we have no money to pay this, so sooner or later we simply have to stop paying it.

    Old people will just need to learn how to solve their own problems without government assistance, like how we Americans did in the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century. The Waltons wasn't so bad, was it?

    Turns out cutting that $1.8T/yr old-people expense will exactly cancel out the $1.8T of deficits the above necessary tax cuts would cause, solving the deficit problem entirely.

    In fact, since 50% of Americans don't pay any taxes at all, we should "broaden the base" to get more Americans contributing to our success.

    The bottom 50% get over $1T in income but only pay $20B in taxes. This is ridiculous -- everyone should pay at least $10,000 per household -- the ultimate Fair Tax -- to pay their own way towards the expense of government.

    At 70 million taxpayers in the bottom 50%, that's $700B in revenue, which will come in handy since we need to continue expanding our national defense investment, which has been parlously without growth for the past year-plus:

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FDEFX

    As Bush wisely doubled our national defense investment from 2001-2009, we should double it again this decade, to $1.6T. This will, unfortunately, take all of the $700B/yr in increased taxes on the bottom 50%, but good governance means we have to make hard sacrifices.

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    Bellingham Bill says

    And if the electorate in its infinite wisdom (Dems now need 2 out of MA, CT, VA, and AZ) puts McConnell in charge of the Senate, it's going to be veto-city until at least 2015, assuming Obama is somehow returned to office in that scenario.

    Don't forget about Missouri.... I'd say it's leaning Dem now.

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    Call it Crazy says

    His job, the one he campagined for, was to be a LEADER and try to make everyone work together... Has he done that??

    Call it Crazy says

    Plain and simple, he FAILED at his job and needs to be replaced with a new Head Coach...

    Bellingham Bill says

    He runs the government that the Congress sets up.

    marcus says

    The only thing more amazing than what's happening is the number of people that are so easily manipulated

    edvard2 says

    But who cares? Nobody cares. Nobody is going to change their minds.

    Honest Abe says

    no matter how much of the ugly truth is presented, and no matter how negatively people are affected, and how much evidence is available...it will simply be ignored and denied by you and those of similar weak minds.

    Carolyn C says

    The problems are systemic and a result of greed, corruption, and mans lack of concern for their fellow man.

    ......."The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

    -Senator Barack Hussein Obama, in 2006, when he voted against raising the debt ceiling"

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    Republicans have even more of a message problem, I think:

    "Don't rely on the government, create your own success. Although if you DO rely on us we will give you a job by cutting taxes for job creators, who will then definitely create thousands of new jobs and the deficit will be cut by getting rid of wasteful government programs, not including the popular ones that make up the majority of government spending."

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    Don't tax capital gains, tax labor! That's obviously the right thing to do. The poor schmuck who comes home with dirt under his fingernails and an aching back deserves to be taxed more, while the job creators sip cognac and smoke Cubans and watch there great, great grandparents money and assets grow tax free. What, it's not like there's a monopoly on billionaires, is there?

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    woppa says

    Don't tax capital gains, tax labor! That's obviously the right thing to do. The poor schmuck who comes home with dirt under his fingernails and an aching back deserves to be taxed more, while the job creators sip cognac and smoke Cubans and watch there great, great grandparents money and assets grow tax free. What, it's not like there's a monopoly on billionaires, is there?

    That's the Ryan plan. 0% taxes on capital gains, interest, dividends, inheritance, and no more AMT.

    If you actually work 40 hours a week, you're screwed.

    Yet people still think Republicans are going to fix the economy. It's an amazing time to be alive.

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    Well, maybe the Republicans will fix the economy for the 1 percent first, and then fix it for everybody else later.

    I like rich people, they are so clean!

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    Bellingham Bill says

    What a race. What an electorate.

    I tend to agree with you on economic issues.

    But I can't stomach your authoritarian beliefs regarding church and state. I find them just as disturbing as the authoritarianism of the religious right. As far as I can tell, people like you make up the base of the Democrat party. Said views keep an awful lot of folks from voting Democrat, even if it might be in their economic interest to do so. If you don't believe me, interact with people living outside of the Pacific Northwest. Can you get past your contempt for those people to do so?

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    Honest Abe says

    evdard2 - your response shows you've got nothing...nothing. You're obviously a victim, or should I say a victocrat. Living in denial - willful and deliberate ignorance. So be it.

    "Victocrat" is not a word.

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