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"And while Romney has been, courtesy of the magazine Mother Jones, exposed as a shallow hypocrite, Obama is in a class by himself. There is hardly a campaign promise from 2008 that Obama has not broken. This list includes his pledges to support the public option in health care, close Guantanamo, raise the minimum wage, regulate Wall Street, support labor unions in their struggles with employers, reform the Patriot Act, negotiate an equitable peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians, curb our imperial expansion in the Middle East, stop torture, protect reproductive rights, carry out a comprehensive immigration reform, cut the deficit by half, create 5 million new energy jobs and halt home foreclosures."
We will all swallow our cup of corporate poison. We can take it from nurse Romney, who will tell us not to whine and play the victim, or we can take it from nurse Obama, who will assure us that this hurts him even more than it hurts us, but one way or another the corporate hemlock will be shoved down our throats. The choice before us is how it will be administered. Corporate power, no matter who is running the ward after January 2013, is poised to carry out U.S. history’s most savage assault against the poor and the...
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More easily disproven lies. If forced to tell the truth, I doubt Republicans could utter a single word. I don't think you people even care anymore.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
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iwog says
Here's a list..... start disproving them...
http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies
I'll wait........
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Lets start with the fact you are attempting to build a straw man. Instead if discussing the thread, you have decided to morph "There is hardly a campaign promise from 2008 that Obama has not broken" into "lookie here!! Obama lies a lot!".
So now that we've established that you have utterly failed on the topic at hand, we'll address your new topic.
The list you have provided is fucking stupid and I don't feel the need to address it point by point. Here are a few highlights:
“You Didn’t Build that” - Not a lie in the context in which Obama used it, which is why vile Republicans refuse to talk about context.
"Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week" - 100% true in fact only a single senator voted for it: Susan Collins. Your list lies about which bill Obama was talking about.
"Rich doesn’t pay their fair share." - purely subjective yet it is called a lie by idiots who don't really care how much they lie about Obama lying. In fact this isn't even a quote and Obama never said it, which further illustrates how toxic Republicans are.
And it goes on and on like that. Pure crap. Pure propaganda. Pure idiocy for suckers who are too lazy to think for themselves.
Now that I've addressed your list, are you going to address mine? ROFLOL..........yeah right!
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Oh I get it!!!!!! Lets make a list that ignores all Romney's bankrupt corporations like Konarka Technologies (of which there are many) and ignores all of Obama's successes like GM. (of which there are many)
Then we can lie and lie and lie and lie and see if some sucker is too stupid to check. Right zzyzzx? Isn't that a good idea?
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This seems to be the core strategy for the modern Republican party.
It is quote shocking and disappointing that this tactic actually works pretty well.
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GM was a Obama success??? Really??? Go ask the bond holders if they agree...
While your at it, go ask the shareholders (both the US taxpayers and individuals) how they like their stock investment...
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GM+Interactive#symbol=GM;range=2y
Yep, this is typical of Obama's "successes"..... please list the many others...
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Iwog, you don't have to list all of the other Obama "successes"... zzyzzx just did it for you!!!
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Another try at spin..... FYI, Romney's JOB at Bain Capital was to buy, sell, slice and dice companies.... that's what he was paid to do... go do a google search on "venture capitalists", you might learn something..
But, to make the story sound good, the liberals want to attack him of bankrupting companies, even though he was just doing his JOB.
If you want to attack a person who's bankrupt companies over the last few years, go after the guy in the White House..... he has a long list..
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Yeah, there are differences in the values system between dems and reps on several issues such as social safety net, environment, death penalty, abortion, foreign policy, et, but we never know the true beliefs of the politicians. We can just infer them based on their past records and judge their character the best we can from public appearances and interviews. It is however interesting that often times they spend serious multiples on their election campaigns than what the job officially pays and when they leave office, often times their net worth is so many more times their supposedannual salaries. Which leaves several uncomfortable conclusions - that they are in it for the power and money - to do some inside trading that no one else can legally do because they know what laws are likely to pass and how they can benefit from them and capitalize on the damages. And of course, they can line up nice speaking engagements for life and get sweetheart deals with corporations after leaving office. Thus, inherently all of the politicians at the upper level are or about to be in the "one percent." And yet, we have people getting into it as if the politicians are genuine in what they say. All they need to do is do enough not to get booted out by challengers so they can keep the gravy train going. It seems like there's a disconnect between people's values and the politicans that they believe represent them. There's nothing wrong with feeling strong about something, but why is there this projection in society where people believe that politicians from dem/rep are extension of themselves? This has never been the case, people are just being played.
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It's too bad there's no "Neither" option on the ballot. When "Neither" won, perhaps we'd get some REAL change when people start to realize both parties screw us over constantly, just in varying ways.
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Call it Crazy says
If that's true, then what is the point of the list and how do you measure success and failure?
Romney turns a company around: Win!
Romney sends a company into bankruptcy: Win!
Fucking idiocy.
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Now this I can agree on!!!
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I know you don't understand but, success comes from if he makes money for the investors. Which he did....
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Call it Crazy says
That wasn't the point of the chart you're now pretending was never the conversation.
If the standard was how well Romney made money for investors at the expense of victim corporations and workers, why does that make him a good presidential candidate? Seems to me like his only marketable skill is profiting off the misery of others.
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Apples and Oranges there dude!!!
What he did for the investors was his JOB and what he got paid to do!!! Unfortunately, YOUR socialist beliefs don't allow you to understand capitalism!!
It actually benefits him as a candidate for president, he understands how a business runs and how it can profit and grow..
Not like your current president who is clueless to how business operates and hasn't even run his own lemonaide stand...
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Another point, you liberals want to use the "victim" routine to try and make Romney the bad guy.... but guess what... there are boat loads of Dems that have their money invested in Bain and they like the return on their investment...
So, what do you say about these liberal "friends" of yours that are making money off of the "victims"??? Are they also guilty of praying on these "victim corporations"????
Double standard??
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Call it Crazy says
No double standard. Exploitation is the core of capitalism and I make no apologies for it. I think the type of corporate raiding that Romney is responsible for should be illegal, but that is a separate subject.
My argument is with people who try to prove Romney would make a good president because he knows how to run a successful business. That's like saying a hooker who is successful in business is also qualified to run IBM.
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iwog says
Maybe it should be, but it's not, so change the story, it doesn't prove anything except maybe jealousy because he made money doing it.
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Well, it was a successful business. It made money for it's investors. You might morally object on what the business did to other companies, but at the end of the day, it was legal.
But Romney did what he was HIRED to do, grow the business. Like I said, you might not like his job description, but he WAS successful at it.
I would rather have a person who proved he could do the job versus the "empty suit" we currently have running the show....
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Or maybe it proves that anyone who votes for Romney to be president is brain dead? How come you always like issuing conclusions to everyone?
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Exactly! He grew the business like a loan shark grows his business. By screwing other people. Most of the money he "earned" ended up being defaulted debt in the end.
How do I know this? I checked. I bet you haven't spent one second researching what Romney actually did. You don't care. It doesn't fit your fantasy narrative.
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You're one to talk!!!
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How much different is this compared to working in the bankruptcy industry??? How many companies get screwed by bankruptcy filings and who gets enriched??
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No one can compare to the fantasy narratives you spew continually here everyday!!
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I know you LOVE to keep referencing the Bain employment, but there is a little bit more to his resume. I believe he was a governor of a state and he successfully ran the Olympics, and some others....
Obama ran what company again? His business experience was where? His executive management was at which major company? He successfully ran which company for how many years?
Oh that's right, Obama doesn't have any of that experience....
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the liberals want to attack him of bankrupting companies, even though he was just doing his JOB.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Aaah, the old Eichmann defense.
I am a proud entrepeneurial capitalist myself. This is worlds apart from vulture capitalism as practiced by the likes of Romney. I can't believe how many otherwise intelligent fellow business owners consider Romney to be "one of us."
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While clearly a biased ad I wouldn't brag about all the social good Romney manifest by keeping Burger King, Dunkin Donuts, Dominos and a bunch of entertainment companies that keep America lazy and stupid. Assuming the bankrupt list on the Obama side is true I think the pursuit of viable solar energy is a noble cause (although I don't presuppose that the list on the right wasn't about kickbacks and donations either).
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Well, if you are TRULY a capitalist, then take a look at both of these links and tell me who has the most business experience. I would also suggest you take a CLOSE look at the "vulture capitalism" Romney was involved in...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
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Another one of your bullshit comments, try reading the link above, you REALLY might learn something about the business Romney was in..... but I bet YOU won't, because it won't fit YOUR fantasy narrative....
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Call it Crazy says
Because Wikipedia goes into detail about how Romney made money at Bain, right? It talks about borrowing hundreds of millions that the corporations couldn't afford to pay back?
Oh it doesn't? Then why did you link it?