Five ways Romney can still win


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So I read this yahoo news article and felt like it was overlooking a really big issue.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/four-ways-mitt-romney-still-win-election-144808195.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US

#5 - VOTER Turnout! This is measured in terms of love and terms of hate. Voters who love a candidate as happened with Obama in '08, turn out, wait in long lines, enthusiastically invite friends to vote for their candidate. Voters who hate a candidate, such as Bush '04, where a good segment of the more left leaning nation was very vocal about how awful his presidency was and how he should not get four more years. Polls had Bush leading Kerry at first, but voter turnout among liberals pushed his lead to a small margin. Bush won, but it was close. His incumbent advantage was nearly neutralized by the outrage and dedication of a portion of the population.

Fast forward to 2012. Obama is absolutely hated by many different right wing groups. Older people mostly don't like him (he's a negro omg). Religious people don't like his policies and the Catholic church is almost straight forward in its contempt for the man. Capitalists and small business owners absolutely hate him and want him gone ASAP. Then there are true blue republicans who feel oppressed by his use of the executive order power, and his selective enforcement of the laws. These are people who are foaming at the mouth to have him gone. They will be there on Election Day.

On the love side ... Well, there are still plenty of Obama true believers. He has his dedicated fan base, and even shrunken it's significant. But the independents and the half-hearted are not fired up anymore. The college students these days are seeing what happened to the upper class men who voted four years ago: joblessness, debt, despair. "I voted for Obama and now I live at home with my parents!" Is not a success story to brag about. It's the economy for these folks. They want jobs, and they have seen no evidence that Obama can deliver on this.

Then we have the jobless, the folks on public assistance, the long term unemployed. Sure they have their needs met, but their pride has taken a real bashing. Obama is counting on this group (47%) for voters, but will they support him? I don't think he will get the support from this group he expects. If they bother to vote at all, being all discouraged and stuff.

Point is: this pony race is far from over! In the immortal words of Yosemite Sam, "Yah, Mule!"

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  1. rooemoore


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    1   2:31pm Thu 27 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Barring a historic meltdown by Obama, this one is done and this ad is why:

    Devastatingly effective.

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    But here's the thing: nowhere in your post is a "love for Romney." And I think that's accurate: there is none!

    The election is mainly about love/hate toward Obama, like you say. I guess that's fairly typical when a president is up for re-election. It's mainly a referendum on the incumbent, not an evaluation of the challenger.

    I guess it all depends on which party gets it's "useful idiots" to turn out in greater numbers, as you indicate.

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    freak80 says

    But here's the thing: nowhere in your post is a "love for Romney." And I think that's accurate: there is none!

    Well, not much love outside Utah. ;)

    Just the thought of a Mormon US president has probably caused more spontaneous orgasms in Utah, than the garment fetish.

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    I'm getting these email forwards lately from older, very right-leaning family members that are all about how wonderful Romney is. The last one seemed to indicate that anyone who wasn't a commie, hippy, baby killing, America hating, Obama lover would and should love this Mormon man.
    I tell you: the hate for an enemy can sometimes turn on the love for his alternative. I think it's cognitive dissonance or something.

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    Quigley says

    I'm getting these email forwards lately from older, very right-leaning family members that are all about how wonderful Romney is.

    Are they religious?

    I like to remind such people that in Mormon scripture god calls their religion a corrupt abomination. Yes, the wonderful Romney ostensibly believes that all non-Mormon church leaders are corrupt and all other religions are an abomination in the eyes of god.

    Yes, an abomination just like gay sex. Apparently in Mormon scripture a Catholic mass is the moral equivalent to the Folsom Street Fair.

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    Mostly yes, which actually strengthens my point. If people who have always looked askance at Mormons and consider their religion a cult are singing heir grand poobah Romney's praises, you know it must be a product of the hate/love cycle.

    Some serious cognitive dissonance: "I am voting for a guy whose religion I dislike because I hate his opponent. But since I'm voting for this guy that means he must not be so bad, because I wouldn't vote for someone bad. Therefore he must be good, maybe even awesome! After all, I am awesome and I would only vote for an awesome guy for President!"

    I think that's about the logic chain.

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    Quigley says

    "I wouldn't vote for someone bad. Therefore he must be good, maybe even awesome! After all, I am awesome and I would only vote for an awesome guy for President!"

    That's the sequence from Romney and his cult's POV, they've already won by legitimizing the cult among people whose religions the cult calls abomination. That should help with recruiting.

    Calling it "logic" is a bit generous though, and unnecessary. As Charles Blow observed, "Religion isn't defined by logic. It defies it."

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    Gaffes aside, sometimes it appears that Romney may be trying to lose:

    Romney cites ObamneyCare as proof of compassion

    Somewhere, out of sight, Paul Ryan is banging his own head against a wall.

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    curious2 says

    Gaffes aside, sometimes it appears that Romney may be trying to lose:

    Romney cites ObamneyCare as proof of compassion

    Somewhere, out of sight, Paul Ryan is banging his own head against a wall.

    So, if Romney gets into office then fulfills his promise to get rid of Obamney care then does that prove that he does not have compassion?

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    leo707 says

    So, if Romney gets into office then fulfills his promise to get rid of Obamney care then does that prove that he does not have compassion?

    LOL - according to Romney, it does!

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    curious2 says

    That's the sequence from Romney and his cult's POV, they've already won by legitimizing the cult among people whose religions the cult calls abomination. That should help with recruiting.

    Yep...

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/now-that-my-campaign-is-over-id-like-to-talk-to-yo,29611/

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    It is amazing that patrick allows this political garbage talk on his site. Get the heck off the site its for housing and geriatric care!!! I'm sick of the both of them and don't want to hear another word about how terrible the other is. F them both I'm writing in a canidate. Micky mouse would be better than these two barracoda.

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    jan says

    It is amazing that patrick allows this political garbage talk on his site. Get the heck off the site its for housing and geriatric care!!! I'm sick of the both of them and don't want to hear another word about how terrible the other is. F them both I'm writing in a canidate. Micky mouse would be better than these two barracoda.

    Sorry we forced you to read this thread in the POLITICS forum.

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    jan says

    It is amazing that patrick allows this political garbage talk on his site. Get the heck off the site its for housing and geriatric care!!! I'm sick of the both of them and don't want to hear another word about how terrible the other is. F them both I'm writing in a canidate. Micky mouse would be better than these two barracoda.

    Go ahead and join the people who are brainwashed into thinking both sides are the same.

    Politics is everything.

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    iwog says

    Go ahead and join the people who are brainwashed into thinking both sides are the same.

    What, it's better to join the people that are brainwashed into thinking Obama is a good leader??

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    Romney needs to double down on conservative values, shave his head, tattoo a swastika on his face and campaign on irradiating the Middle East and raffling off hunting licenses for hunters to take unlimited culls of oldsters and 'mud people' and freeing the financial services industry from 'marxist hooliganism.'

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    One thing I don't get about the Mormons is baptizing dead people. That just seems bizarre. I hear Romney has baptized a few dead people too?

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    iwog says

    Go ahead and join the people who are brainwashed into thinking both sides are the same.

    They ARE both the same in the sense that neither party gives a shit about the Rust Belt, where jan and I are from.

    Both parties basically tell us to eat shit and die.

    For the Republicans, it's because we're lazy unionized slackers who won't work for $1/day like the Chinese will.

    For the Democrats, it's because we don't have the "right" beliefs about "alternative lifestyles" and "oppressed groups." Plus we're oh-so unsophisticated. Why cast pearls before swine such as us?

    Republicans and Democrats to the Rust Belt: you are low-lifes who deserve your fate.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/mitt-romneys-clinging-to-guns-or-religion-moment/262496/

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    freak80 says

    For the Republicans, it's because we're lazy unionized slackers who won't work for $1/day like the Chinese will.

    Don't worry. Obama's policy will lead us to the road to China's 1950s to 1970s. Chairman Mao told Chinese to unite the 95% and beat the 5% class enemy. Obama is more ambitious, he thinks he represents the 99% and will beat the 1% and occupy the U.S.

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    BobMSN says

    Don't worry. Obama's policy will lead us to the road to China's 1950s to 1970s. Chairman Mao told Chinese to unite the 95% and beat the 5% class enemy. Obama is more ambitious, he thinks he represents the 99% and will beat the 1% and occupy the U.S.

    Oh no! Communism! ( golly gee wiz is it the 50's?)

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    lostand confused says

    One thing I don't get about the Mormons is baptizing dead people. That just seems bizarre. I hear Romney has baptized a few dead people too?

    Yeah, it is bizarre, but no more bizarre than the Eucharist changing in to the literal body and blood of Christ or many other religious ceremonies.

    Every Mormon from an active Mormon family performs baptism for the dead.

    They take place in the temple basement, and it is the only time a teenage Mormon can enter the temple.

    Here is what the baptismal font looks like.

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    freak80 says

    They ARE both the same in the sense that neither party gives a shit about the Rust Belt, where jan and I are from.

    Romney would have let GM get liquidated and its carcass sold off at auction to pay bondholders. Furthermore concentration of wealth can only hurt American industry since more and more dollars go overseas.

    I'd think the choice was an obvious one.

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    iwog says

    Romney would have let GM get liquidated and its carcass sold off at auction to pay bondholders.

    True.

    iwog says

    I'd think the choice was an obvious one.

    Move to the Rust Belt and interact with people here, face to face. The region certainly isn't "monolithic" but it's much different than coastal CA. Much *much* different.

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    freak80 says

    For the Democrats, it's because we don't have the "right" beliefs about "alternative lifestyles" and "oppressed groups."

    Putting "quotes" around bigotry does not make it less offensive.

    Live and let live.

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    25   1:00pm Fri 28 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I am surprised that you guys are still debating if Romney can win his presidency. Or you guys just ran out of things to debate?

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    he cannot win .

    why don't you check how many times Romney/Ryan spent campaigning in Florida?

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    sorry about the flame, I was in the wrong thread...

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    jan says

    sorry about the flame, I was in the wrong thread...

    Hey, I thought it was still a valid point.

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    leo707 says

    freak80 says

    But here's the thing: nowhere in your post is a "love for Romney." And I think that's accurate: there is none!

    Well, not much love outside Utah. ;)

    Just the thought of a Mormon US president has probably caused more spontaneous orgasms in Utah, than the garment fetish.

    I am sorry but ROFL
    LMAFO on that one.

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    They ARE both the same in the sense that neither party gives a shit about the Rust Belt, where jan and I are from.

    Both parties basically tell us to eat shit and die.

    For the Republicans, it's because we're lazy unionized slackers who won't work for $1/day like the Chinese will.

    For the Democrats, it's because we don't have the "right" beliefs about "alternative lifestyles" and "oppressed groups." Plus we're oh-so unsophisticated. Why cast pearls before swine such as us?

    Republicans and Democrats to the Rust Belt: you are low-lifes who deserve your fate.

    Freak80 I couldn't have said it better myself. I tried to think of any federal buildings we have in Pittsburgh, only the fbi building. We get no federal dollars at all like virginia. I guess if our representatives and congress people were actually doing something we could reign in some of the wealth obama is spreading around. All we see here is unemployment checks, welfare, and food stamps.

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    Oh i read the first 80 or so pages of Schiff's book, the unmidagated gall. He wants to dismantle all of the social progress weve made in the last 80 years. Social programs are the only thing keeping pittsburgh alive anymore, and Freak probably could say the same about Corning NY.

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    jan says

    Freak probably could say the same about Corning NY.

    Hey now, we have Gorilla Glass too!

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    jan says

    we could reign in some of the wealth obama is spreading around. All we see here is unemployment checks, welfare, and food stamps.

    jan says

    Oh i read the first 80 or so pages of Schiff's book, the unmidagated gall. He wants to dismantle all of the social progress weve made in the last 80 years. Social programs are the only thing keeping pittsburgh alive anymore, and Freak probably could say the same about Corning NY.

    Don't take it as a personal attack, but those two quotes seem very contradictory.

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    Well, Schiff wants to go all the way to abolishing free schools, and stuff like that basic human rights.

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    By reign in I mean capture...

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