9/11 Continuing the War on Liberty


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9/11 was not funny. It was murder that led to more murder.

WE, the people, have been at war for more than a decade against an idea, terrorism. It is even more abstract than the still un-won war on drugs.

The real war is on liberty.

The implications of even believing the possibility of an inside job leads down a very chilling path of ideas. It would not hurt to have an independent investigation by an impartial non-government group.

Do you sense any dissonance between the government story, what you saw, and your understanding of how things work in the real world?

I started this new thread seeking the truth.

How did I ever become a truther?

A month ago I ran across ae911truth.org and found some evidence that the World Trade Center may have been destroyed by the jihadist AND internally placed explosives.

The implications are awful.

If true it means that someone, I don't know who, has betrayed our country and murdered thousands of civilians.

I don't want to be a truther. I want someone to convince me that there is a reasonable explanation for the evidence.

But they don't.

I look into the official documents and they have glaring inconsistencies and outright omissions.

I look into the kook sites and they have irrational explanations and ridiculous theories.

Murder has no statute of limitations. I believe there are grounds to open a new, independent, investigation into this horrible tragedy.

Please post links to evidence pro and con. Argue facts and evidence with me. Convince the professor that the official story was correct. Or help me spread the call for truth.

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    830   2:24pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The towers were brought down by the devil, but he used Dick Cheney. Cheney is as close to the devil in bodily form that we have in this century.

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    831   2:27pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WTC7 Demolition:

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    832   6:11pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    Bigsby says

    Before dismissing something, it would be a good idea to know what the report actually said.

    No, that is where you screwed up Bigsby.

    So you consider that actually knowing about what it is you are critiquing to be 'screwing up.' I see.

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    833   6:44pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Sullenberger crashed the planes into the towers on a hudson river practice run...

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    834   6:46pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    No you screwed up bga....
    the reason the coaster crashed at 6 flags was because 5 of em were false!

    bgamall4 says

    No, that is where you screwed up Bigsby.

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    835   8:59pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    So, what do you gain from making an ass out of yourself?

    More likes than you do.

    There have been exactly the same number of aliens positively identified as being involved in bringing down the wtc as government employees. Zero. So why are my theories any less valid than yours?

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    836   9:04pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    CDon says

    Also, why didn't the NISP report test for Judas Priest first album which we all know has demonic conjuring powers? Oh sure, they said testing could give a false positive because it was such a crappy record that unsold copies were used as landfill during site construction, but still, why not test for it anyway

    Excellent point. They also failed to test for paranormal activity. Why wasn't ghostbusters involved? Seems like this a much, much deeper cover up than we all first imagined. Aliens, ghosts, lucifer, and dick cheney. This is serious. Very serious.

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    837   9:30pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    CDon says

    Judas Priest first album which we all know has demonic conjuring powers?

    That is so true!

    I felt the same way about Ronnie James Dio's "Holy Diver".

    http://www.911truth.org/the-911-commission-report-a-571-page-lie/

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    838   10:38pm Fri 8 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bob2356 says

    They also failed to test for paranormal activity. Why wasn't ghostbusters involved? Seems like this a much, much deeper cover up than we all first imagined. Aliens, ghosts, lucifer, and dick cheney.

    I am going to rule out ghosts and Lucifer as they work through living men. As for aliens, explosives, dick Cheney, and controlled demolition; which of these four was NOT involved in 9/11 (watch short video clip)

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    839   12:14am Sat 9 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Let me guess... that's the same video you posted before with no sound of a huge explosion on it.

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    840   7:58am Sat 9 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Bigsby says

    bgamall4 says

    Bigsby says

    Ha, ha. You have been arguing against something you haven't even read.

    No, idiot. I have been arguing my position. It is unassailable. You have to argue against the truth. If you don't want to I will declare victory now. You cannot defeat my argument so you plea to me to read the NIST.

    You are a fraud, Bigsby.

    You argue against something that you haven't even read. You criticize the findings of something that you have no knowledge about. And now you claim your argument is 'unassailable' and that you will 'declare victory now.' What a bloody joke you are. You are the fraud and a very stupid one at that.

    This is why I have bgamall on my ignore list. You can't have a civil discussion w/ this guy. Trust me, he's a complete waste of everyone's time, including yours..

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    841   7:25pm Sun 10 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Proof that fires destroyed WTC7!!!

    The Professor will keep you updated on the latest research.

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    842   8:25am Wed 13 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    tatupu70 says

    (I don't want to know what DIDN'T happen. Very clearly and precisely detail how the towers were demolished. What role did the planes play? Was al-Quaeda involved? Did our government play a role? etc. Please lay out the whole kit and kaboodle)

    The 911 Commission report did a very good job at doing exactly what you want. Al-Quaeda hijacked some planes, flew them into some buildings, and killed a bunch of Americans; so goes the official story. They never investigated the evidence of explosives. In fact they hauled off and destroyed the evidence as fast as they could while distracting the nation with fears of anthrax. Red, yellow, orange, we were flagged into starting a "war on terrorism" against "the people that brought you 911".

    You want the whole story? There it is. The story that was fed to us from day one. Could it be the truth? The evidence says no.

    1. Global progressive collapse of steel frame buildings never happened before 9/11/2013. It has never happened since.

    2. All three towers fell in a manner that defied physics

    3. The official investigation completely ignored the possibility of explosives.

    4. Many men much smarter than me can explain it better:

    Less important than how it happened is who caused it to happen. Whether you are of the school of box cutting jihadis, controlled demolition architects, or alien ray nutjobs, the investigation (ongoing) should look at all of the evidence, question all of the players and come up with a story that matches the facts.

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    843   8:28am Wed 13 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    We know that it is unlikely the powers that be would allow the truth to be known, so we fight with intellect, technology, and passion. The next time America is attacked it must be clear who attacked us before we invest trillions of dollars and millions of casualties in foreign wars against "terrorism".

    ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Ben Franklin

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    844   4:58am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    You want the whole story? There it is. The story that was fed to us from day one. Could it be the truth? The evidence says no.

    OK--let me try again. I don't want to know what you think isn't supported by the evidence. I want to know what you think IS supported by the evidence--ie, what really happened.

    Not a video showing what somebody else thinks--what do YOU think happened on 9/11

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    845   7:42am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    I want to know what you think IS supported by the evidence--ie, what really happened.

    Three buildings were imploded and used as an excuse to start wars in the middle east and take away rights in America.

    What do you think happened? Do you really believe the official story that office fires caused steel framed buildings to utterly destroy themselves in clouds of pulverized concrete and twisted steel? Do you really believe that fire can warp steel beams and drag the entire 47 floor steel framed WTC7 down with it?

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    846   7:43am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Scientist explain it better than I do:

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    847   7:50am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Three buildings were imploded and used as an excuse to start wars in the middle east and take away rights in America.

    What do you think happened? Do you really believe the official story that office fires caused steel framed buildings to utterly destroy themselves in clouds of pulverized concrete and twisted steel? Do you really believe that fire can warp steel beams and drag the entire 47 floor steel framed WTC7 down with it?

    Yes, though your description is typically florid.
    You, in contrast, believe in the detonation of silent explosives (and with no video evidence) set up with what one must presume to have been a highly complex wiring system that managed to survive immense office fires that raged on the same floors that were, coincidentally I presume, hit by airplanes flown by, well, I guess you or Bgamall can answer that one.
    Anyway, I was impressed by your detailed explanation of what you thought happened. All one line of it.

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    848   7:57am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Scientist explain it better than I do

    Yes, you are right, scientists do explain it better than you. Unfortunately, you choose to put your faith in a few conspiracy wing nuts instead.

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    849   8:11am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Does anyone believe that office fires can take down a steel framed building? If so can they please post an example?

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    850   8:21am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Does anyone believe that office fires can take down a steel framed building? If so can they please post an example?

    Please post up an example of a similarly constructed building being hit by a large aeroplane.

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    851   8:26am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    "The principle alternative to the official theory that the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 suffered spontaneous structural collapses is the theory that they were destroyed through controlled demolition by pre-positioned devices. This is the only serious alternative to the official theory, since the other theories -- such as those involving exotic weapons or accidental explosions -- lack even rudimentary plausibility. Given this dichotomy, a disproof of the collapse theory in its most general form constitutes a proof of the demolition theory in its most general form.

    Any comprehensive theory describing the means and methods of controlled demolition applied to the WTC buildings is necessarily speculative, particularly given the paucity of artifacts that survived the Ground Zero cleanup operation. However, specific sets observations may indicate the use of certain demolition methods, perhaps as part of wider array of methods."

    http://stj911.org/hypotheses/alternative.html

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    852   8:35am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Three buildings were imploded and used as an excuse to start wars in the middle east and take away rights in America.

    OK--let's look at your theory.

    1. Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?
    2. Were they hijacked? By Al-Quaeda?

    Let's start with those questions.

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    853   8:58am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    OK--let's look at your theory.

    1. Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?

    2. Were they hijacked? By Al-Quaeda?

    That is the official conspiracy theory.

    Also part of the official conspiracy theory, do you believe that WTC7 Was brought down by office fires alone?

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    854   9:01am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    That is the official conspiracy theory.

    But I didn't ask what the official conspiracy theory is. Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

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    855   9:03am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

    Yep.

    Do you believe that office fires took down a steel framed building (WTC7) on 9/11/2001?

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    856   9:08am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    tatupu70 says

    OK--let's look at your theory.

    1. Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?

    2. Were they hijacked? By Al-Quaeda?

    That is the official conspiracy theory.

    Also part of the official conspiracy theory, do you believe that WTC7 Was brought down by office fires alone?

    'Official conspiracy theory.' Where do you come up with this crap?

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    857   9:10am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    tatupu70 says

    Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

    Yep.

    Do you believe that office fires took down a steel framed building (WTC7) on 9/11/2001?

    Yes. Presumably you think a silent and unseen controlled demolition that survived a major and untackled 7hour+ fire did the job.

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    858   9:24am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?

    Some people do not.

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    859   10:18am Thu 14 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    tatupu70 says

    But I didn't ask what the official conspiracy theory is. Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

    I had believed the official story since 9/11/2001. I believed the official conspiracy story until I heard about WTC7. Until last year I never even questioned the official story.

    There are so many theories about what "really" happened on 9/11. People make their living arguing over the evidence on both sides. I have looked at the official documents and the kook websites.

    You ask me to explain in detail what happened on 9/11. I can't.

    The official conspiracy theory completely ignores evidence and concludes exactly what they had decided on 9/11/2001, "jihadi hijackers flew into the twin towers and the intense heat from the jet fuel fires caused the steel to weaken and initiate global collapse". A very believable story. They got me looking when they tried to extend this "global progressive collapse" theory to WTC7 imploding to 1/10th its original height from office fires.

    Do you believe a steel framed building could be pulled down from the inside out by the burning of office fires? That is the official story of WTC7 on 9/11.

    Physicists, architects, engineers, chemists, former military and intelligence officers, firefighters, pilots, scholars, and many "common" people have access to the physical and photographic evidence and know that the official conspiracy theory is criminally wrong.

    We are becoming a police state. I don't want to live in a world of constant war and endless fear by the "people that brought you 9/11". If it was terrorists, kick their butt and make the world safe for democracy. If it was an inside job, expose the perpetrators and make America safe for liberty.

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    860   8:04am Mon 25 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Now that we are all in agreement that the official story of 911 is bogus, is there anything we can do about it?

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    The Professor says

    You ask me to explain in detail what happened on 9/11. I can't.

    OK--well, how about you spend some time figuring out what DID happen, instead of what didin't happen.

    Because until you can offer a reasonable explanation for what did happen, you're critiques of the commission are lame, at best.

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    862   1:52pm Mon 25 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Now that we are all in agreement that the official story of 911 is bogus, is there anything we can do about it?

    It is one of those crimes that is like the JFK assassination. When all the players are from the top of the food chain, justice cannot prevail. I believe there is a judgement for these deeds, but not likely in a human court.

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    863   8:56pm Mon 25 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    OK--well, how about you spend some time figuring out what DID happen, instead of what didin't happen.

    Follow the money.

    I'll do some more research on the actual plan and get back to you.

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    864   1:05am Tue 26 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The Professor says

    Follow the money.



    I'll do some more research on the actual plan and get back to you.

    See all those lighter color lines radiating out from the center of the picture. That's the alien projector (technology the aliens stole from scooby doo episodes) that is creating an image of a plane that isn't really there so that people will believe the towers were hit by planes when the demolition takes place. Proof of this is irrefutable. The lines are an exact duplicate of one of the nazca lines drawings which everyone knows were created by aliens.

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    865   4:09am Tue 26 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    I believe there is a judgement for these deeds, but not likely in a human court.

    Well I hope you're right and the alien court will deal with them appropriately then. I didn't know the aliens had a court system like we do. That's comforting.

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    tatupu70 says

    Well I hope you're right and the alien court will deal with them appropriately then. I didn't know the aliens had a court system like we do. That's comforting.

    Justice was invented by God. I hope you know that man didn't invent the concept. Same for mercy. You better hope for aliens yourself, but then that is a hope in vain.

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    tatupu70 says

    Well I hope you're right and the alien court will deal with them appropriately then. I didn't know the aliens had a court system like we do. That's comforting

    Aliens have different value system. Aliens are taken to court and punished for NOT being involved in acts like Princess Diana, JFK and 9/11. Sowing confusion, fostering conspiracy theories, and creating mistrust among the humans is their very reason for being. Failure to do so results in severe penalties.

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    bgamall4 says

    Justice was invented by God. I hope you know that man didn't invent the
    concept. Same for mercy. You better hope for aliens yourself, but then that is a
    hope in vain.

    Out of all the conspiracies you believe in, there's no room for aliens??

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    869   3:24pm Tue 26 Nov 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu70 says

    Out of all the conspiracies you believe in, there's no room for aliens??

    Tatupu, you are stupid. If that makes you an alien, then I believe in aliens. You certainly don't process information like an inquisitive and analytical human being. So, yes you are an alien.

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