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Clinton should resign


By SoftShell   Follow   Tue, 16 Oct 2012, 12:39am PDT   6,789 views   109 comments
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Hillary has accepted full responsibility for failing to provide the requested additional security for the US embassy in Libya. She has obviously done this to take the heat off Obama. The ambassador has died due to this negligence. She should resign immediately, but has not. WTF????

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lostand confused   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 12:35am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 30

SoftShell says

uhhh...it is my thread.
but don't worry, i don't censure anybody.
feel free to fling!

You seem to be confused about the concept of ownership. Kids do that-take a thing in a house and say mine. Doesn't make it theirs.

You bring up one aspect and the moment somebody brings up a counter to your silly point, delve into fits about thread going off topic . I know can't argue-so resort to the same old , same old right wing tactic.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 1:36am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 31

nice misdirection...

no, we want hillary to go because on 9/11 an embassy in a semi-hostile country requested additional security and they were denied by hillary, as she has accepted full responsibility, and they were not evacuated, and eventually killed.

gbenson says

But you want Hillary to go because the people under her (the security experts) failed to anticipate a coordinated attack that we had no prior information about.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 1:41am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 32

the topic is about the syrian embassy fuckup.
not about bush, clinton, WWI or WWII...
what's so hard about discussing the merits of the actions on that date?

you know, unique incidents can be discussed without resorting to ill-fitting comparisons to long-past events.

But I understand your need to muddy the waters with these historical events, because there is no defensible position for the Syrian incident.

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

uhhh...it is my thread.

but don't worry, i don't censure anybody.

feel free to fling!

You seem to be confused about the concept of ownership. Kids do that-take a thing in a house and say mine. Doesn't make it theirs.

You bring up one aspect and the moment somebody brings up a counter to your silly point, delve into fits about thread going off topic . I know can't argue-so resort to the same old , same old right wing tactic.

lostand confused   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:02am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

SoftShell says

the topic is about the syrian embassy fuckup.
not about bush, clinton, WWI or WWII...
what's so hard about discussing the merits of the actions on that date?
you know, unique incidents can be discussed without resorting to ill-fitting comparisons to long-past events.
But I understand your need to muddy the waters with these historical events, because there is no defensible position for the Syrian incident.

I understand your need to take one event that fits your narrative in total isolation of all reality and hold it up and disect it till the cows come home.

But life is a continuum. It does not start and end with one event, despite your beleif that it does.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:17am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 34

My narrative remains in isolation because you refuse to discuss it on it's own merits.

why don't you start a thread on a specific event, and i'll show you how it can be discussed without muddying the waters with non-similar events.

I love to educate the uneducated.

lostand confused says

I understand your need to take one event that fits your narrative in total isolation of all reality and hold it up and disect it till the cows come home.

rdm   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:20am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 35

There was likely both an intelligence failure and related to that a security failure. When the investigation is completed and if it shows that there was a warning that was ignored and that Clinton ignored it or inadequately prepared for it, yes she should resign. That is very very unlikely There are many layers below Clinton that deal with security matters, these people are not usually political appointees but career State Dept. people. Yes the buck stops at the top but without direct involvement there will be no direct consequence. Never (that I can remember) has that happened before and it will not happen now.

Clinton will be gone after Jan anyway, she will not serve another term as Secretary of State regardless of the outcome of the election. She and Bill clearly want Obama to win. If she decides to run for POTUS it is normally easier if the position is open rather than running against an incumbent.

lostand confused   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:20am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 36

SoftShell says

My narrative remains in isolation because you refuse to discuss it on it's own merits.
why don't you start a thread on a specific event, and i'll show you how it can be discussed without muddying the waters with non-similar events.
I love to educate the uneducated.

LOL! You won't even see the folly in your position and now you are going to educate the uneducated. How cute.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:36am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 37

Your name sez it all......
Case Closed.

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

My narrative remains in isolation because you refuse to discuss it on it's own merits.

why don't you start a thread on a specific event, and i'll show you how it can be discussed without muddying the waters with non-similar events.

I love to educate the uneducated.

LOL! You won't even see the folly in your position and now you are going to educate the uneducated. How cute.

msilenus   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:39am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 38

I asked you point blank if you are Shrek. Are you Shrek?

lostand confused   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:39am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 39

SoftShell says

Your name sez it all......
Case Closed.

Personal attacks. LOL!! Case closed.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 40

What part of "SoftShell" do you not understand??

msilenus says

I asked you point blank if you are Shrek. Are you Shrek?

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:43am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 41

So referring to a name that you gave yourself and want to be known as, is now a personal attack? LOLOL

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

Your name sez it all......

Case Closed.

Personal attacks. LOL!! Case closed.

lostand confused   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 2:46am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 42

SoftShell says

So referring to a name that you gave yourself and want to be known as, is now a personal attack? LOLOL

You were going to educate the uneducated?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

msilenus   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 3:09am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 43

That is not a 'no.' It is a bullshit false insinuation that someone cannot post under multiple accounts, masquerading as an answer.

Positing that you are Shrek: you posted surely thousands of comments here. What does it say about them, that you refuse to acknowledge your patrimony for those public thoughts? That you first ignore and then dodge when someone asks if you're the real father.

What does that say about you? Your intellectual honesty? Your integrity? Your self-respect?

I said it before: it always seems to be the folks around here who are ostensibly about personal responsibility, who slough off an identity like a snake shedding its skin. The problem is that it does no good. When you shed only the skin, you leave the core unimproved. That core: intellectual, moral --is you. You can post a million posts, under a thousand names, and they will all, ultimately, become more bastard orphans of your mind. You will never say anything that you will, in the long run, be proud to call your own.

SoftShell says

What part of "SoftShell" do you not understand??

msilenus says

I asked you point blank if you are Shrek. Are you Shrek?

pnovak   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 3:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 44

Hilary may have taken the downfall but she added the air "but".
The Clinton are No martyrs

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 9:32pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 45

your drooling again sonny....wipe your chin.

lostand confused says

SoftShell says

So referring to a name that you gave yourself and want to be known as, is now a personal attack? LOLOL

You were going to educate the uneducated?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 9:36pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 46

So you are incapable of determining my answer to your question by any method other than a "yes/no" reply?
Do you realize how stupid this makes you appear?

msilenus says

That is not a 'no.' It is a bullshit false insinuation that someone cannot post under multiple accounts, masquerading as an answer.

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 9:40pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 47

What does it say about you, that you would waste so much time and energy attempting to tear down someone based upon a 'posit'?

Tell us exactly just what happened in your childhood to make you such an angry man?

We can help.

msilenus says

Positing that you are Shrek: you posted surely thousands of comments here. What does it say about them, that you refuse to acknowledge your patrimony for those public thoughts? That you first ignore and then dodge when someone asks if you're the real father.

What does that say about you? Your intellectual honesty? Your integrity? Your self-respect?

SoftShell   Wed, 17 Oct 2012, 10:28pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 48

I'm starting to feel sorry for you, so I'm going to make this easy.
The answer to your question is:
No.

msilenus says

That is not a 'no.' It is a bullshit false insinuation that someone cannot post under multiple accounts, masquerading as an answer.

kentm   Thu, 18 Oct 2012, 11:44pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 49

Oh boy, you are a funny one Abe. You just keep us all in stitches. Anyway it HAS been reported that comrade Clinton Warned that republican budget cuts would endanger security.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/secretary-clinton-house-republ.html

But I suppose you won't care about that And will quickly get back to your usual posts of "gurgle gurgle snort gurgle har har larg..." I'd like to be around one day when it hits you, "gosh, I've been a fucking idiot"

Call it Crazy   Thu, 18 Oct 2012, 11:51pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (4)     Comment 50

kentm says

Anyway it HAS been reported that comrade Clinton Warned that republican budget cuts would endanger security.

One problem, your link goes back to 2011... here is a quote from the link:

......."The scope of the proposed House cuts is massive," Clinton told reporters at a Capitol news conference after attending a luncheon meeting with House Speaker John Boehner."

The key word there is "PROPOSED", Hillary was talking about proposed cuts, not ACTUAL cuts...

Do you have any proof that these cuts were put in force???

SoftShell   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 12:16am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 51

Of course he doesn't.
It's Smokescreen City for all the bluebloods around here...
but it's understandable...
there is no defense for Clinton's non-action in libya on the anniversary of 9/11.

Call it Crazy says

Do you have any proof that these cuts were put in force???

kentm   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 12:21am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 52

Why yes, "softshell", in a post you responded to, idiot.

kentm says

RELEVANT:

http://www.rollitup.org/politics/572476-house-gop-votes-cut-funding.html

house GOP votes to cut funding for embassy security, cries about embassy security

"In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president’s request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts."

you assholes.

kentm   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 12:21am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 53

SoftShell says

Yes, your link is relevant.

So given the lack of funds, she should have pulled them out of there.

She knows she's guilty, that's why she copped a plea...

You don't cop a plea if your innocent.

She should resign.

Case Closed.

idiot. You're apparently not capable of remembering or being consistent with your own posts. How can you claim to have any credence with any of the topics you post on? You ARE looking like shrek more and more with every post.

SoftShell   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 1:31am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 54

heh heh heh..
yes, you are right.
try programming for 12 hours on 7-11 coffee and see where your head winds up...

kentm says

idiot. You're apparently not capable of remembering or being consistent with your own posts. How can you claim to have any credence with any of the topics you post on? You ARE looking like shrek more and more with every post.

kentm   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 4:44pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 55

And I apologize for saying 'idiot'. It's just you come out so aggressively and say these stupid things...

You know, shrek was a programmer too...

iwog   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 6:50pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 56

SoftShell says

Who brought up partisan politics?
We are talking about a specific occurance.
Try to stay on topic and be less biased.

So then at the very least by your thinking this should have been another instance of Democrats cleaning up a republican mess.

Did you call for Bush to resign after 9/11? How about Rice?

Lemme guess. NO!!!!!!!

From Wiki:

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on August 6, 2001. The brief warned of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda 36 days before the September 11, 2001 attacks.

My guess is that there wasn't a single Republican in the world calling for Rice's or Bush's head. Y'all are hypocrites.

SoftShell   Fri, 19 Oct 2012, 10:50pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 57

The mayor of NYC did not ask for more federal security support.
The attack on the twin towers was not fully anticipated.
It is impossible for the federal government to cover all possible targets in the USA

The Libyan embassy did ask for more security.
Therefore, the attack on the embassy was anticipated.
It is possible for the federal government to add security, or remove personnel from dangerous situations abroad.

Your comparison does not hold water.

iwog says

Did you call for Bush to resign after 9/11? How about Rice?

Lemme guess. NO!!!!!!!

iwog   Sat, 20 Oct 2012, 4:48am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 58

SoftShell says

Your comparison does not hold water.

You're right. It doesn't hold water. There is no comparison between the death of four Americans and the death of 3000 just after Bush finished a month long vacation in the first year of his first term by a known enemy who had attacked us before. He was briefed that Bin Laden was a serious threat and to date NOT ONE SINGLE ACTION TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY BY BUSH PRIOR TO 9/11 HAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED! In fact if I remember correctly Bush downgraded the threat.

Yes I think I do remember correctly:

During the entire month of August, President Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Texas — which tied with one of Richard Nixon’s as the longest vacation ever taken by a president. CIA Director George Tenet has said he didn’t speak to Bush once that month, describing the president as being “on leave.” Bush did not hold a Principals’ meeting on terrorism until September 4, 2001, having downgraded the meetings to a deputies’ meeting, which then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has repeatedly said slowed down anti-Bin Laden efforts “enormously, by months.”

One was an opportunistic strike by unknown attackers. The other was a well planned conspiracy that might have been avoided if someone at the Bush administration just made a call to the airport.

Bush should have been impeached and Rice should have been thrown out of office in shame (by your standards, not mine) Clinton's hindsight error in judgement pales by comparison and the only reason you can't see it is that you're a pseudo-independent Republican hack.

Calling for Clinton to resign. What a fucking joke. The hypocrisy is stunning.

gbenson   Sun, 21 Oct 2012, 3:05am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 59

It has since come out that the people at the CIA were getting really pissed because they kept warning the Bush admin that something was going on and kept getting rebuffed. When some of the CIA execs started to press the issue to be heard, the Bushies asked them to be 'reassigned' or excluded from meetings.

SoftShell   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 60

"Soft Ruki"??
We don't need to know your anatomical pet names.....

121212 says

Listen Soft RUKI! You moron, stop TROLLING my thread and posting bullshit.

SoftShell   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 61

stop deleting my posts so I don't have to repost.
you are wasting my time.

msilenus   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 62

"Okay, you've covered your ass now." -George W. Bush

CaptainShuddup   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:38am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 63

Merry Christmas 121212
I give you the hemorrhoid ring.

SoftShell   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 64

So when are you going to add "3" to your education?

121212 says

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SoftShell   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 65

"Soft Ruki"??
We don't need to know your anatomical pet names.....

121212 says

Listen Soft RUKI! You moron, stop TROLLING my thread and posting bullshit.

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Considering how overpopulated we are, maybe this is a good thing.

There is no human dignity in this comment.

He has no honor or dignity, he is plainly soulless..

David Losh   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:44am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 66

SoftShell says

She has obviously done this to take the heat off Obama.

I never got the connection to Obama. It makes no sense that with all that is going on in the world, that he should have been watching only the embassy in Benghazi.

If you recall there were protests across North Africa, and every one was asking for added security. I have never seen that as a part of the reporting, but hey, it makes no difference.

Hillary is gone and Kerry will take over so you get your wish.

Thedaytoday   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 67

Clinton should resign!

LMFAO just like Condoleezza Rice did

Just like Ronald Reagan did over Iran Contra?

Come now Softshel you want political equality look at your own Republican history.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 68

If you look close to the news reels you can see Hitlery, Obambam and Michelle Obambam firing at the embassy with their al quaeda buddies.

SoftShell   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:30am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 69

u boyz are 3 months late and a dollar short!
This case was decided and closed pre-thanksgiving...

Thedaytoday says

Clinton should resign!

LMFAO just like Condoleezza Rice did

Just like Ronald Reagan did over Iran Contra?

Come now Softshel you want political equality look at your own Republican history.

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