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Hurricane Sandy


By EastCoastBubbleBoy   Follow   Sat, 27 Oct 2012, 8:49am PDT   10,764 views   106 comments
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Hopefuly all of us on the East Coast (myself included) are ready for this one.
Keep safe y'all.

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tatupu70   Fri, 2 Nov 2012, 3:33am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 67

zzyzzx says

I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

lol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

zzyzzx   Fri, 2 Nov 2012, 3:54am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 68

I'm reasonably sure that I said here (maybe on another message board) predicted that (most likely Caesars) would have a Hurricane sale in Atlantic City, and while I haven't seen that, I do see bunches of room offers in my Total Rewards account

How to Prepare For Hurricane Sandy

zzyzzx   Fri, 2 Nov 2012, 3:58am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 69

tatupu70 says

ol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery

A six man crew from Decatur Utilities headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can't do any work there since they're not union employees.

The general manager of Decatur Utilities, Ray Hardin told Fox Business they were presented documents from the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers at a staging area in Virginia. The documents stated they had to affiliate with a union to work, which the crews could not agree to.

zzyzzx   Fri, 2 Nov 2012, 5:29am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 70

Atlantic City casinos reopened at 2PM today!

zzyzzx   Fri, 2 Nov 2012, 5:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 71

http://mousebreath.com/2012/11/atlantic-city-boardwalk-cats-weather-hurricane-sandy/

Atlantic City boardwalk cats weather Hurricane Sandy

tatupu70   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 8:13am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 72

zzyzzx says

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

lol--I'd rather have no ETA and power like you...

Finally came back on Sunday AM

elliemae   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 8:18am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 73

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

Patrick   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 8:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 74

elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

tatupu70   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:00am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 75

elliemae says

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

I think it's much more than that. In NJ, I'm pretty sure the number is in the hundreds of thousands. Same in Long Island and NYC

Patrick   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:13am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 76

A guy I worked with at Sun left to join a company that was founded on math showing that it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

And probably more reliable too.

curious2   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 77

Patrick says

it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

The Bloom Box operates on that principle:

http://www.bloomenergy.com/

But in a hurricane, gas lines can become an even bigger hazard than electric lines. Some areas in New Jersey had to shut off gas because it was causing fires and burning houses down.

Eventually home solar should become more economical, though it depends on subsidies currently.

theoakman   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:41am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 78

Patrick says

elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

by localized, do you mean generated at your house or in town. Outside of home generated power, everyone woulda went down. Literally, the powerlines on everyone's street got taken out.

Patrick   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:44am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 79

I mean, say, one block or so. About 100 people.

Call it Crazy   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 80

tatupu70 says

zzyzzx says

I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

lol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

Call it Crazy   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 9:59am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 81

zzyzzx says

Yes, I got my electricity back on Thursday morning.

Ours came back on around 8 PM on Saturday night.

EastCoastBubbleBoy   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 10:00am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 82

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

My contacts in NYC / NY / NJ metro say that there are still over a million without power.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/power_restored_to_1_million_si.html#incart_river

tatupu70   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 10:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 83

Call it Crazy says

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

No--Westfield

Call it Crazy   Sun, 4 Nov 2012, 11:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 84

tatupu70 says

Call it Crazy says

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

No--Westfield

Did you buy or are you renting?

zzyzzx   Mon, 5 Nov 2012, 2:43am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 85

zzyzzx   Mon, 5 Nov 2012, 2:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 86

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

Ummm, that's why you trip your main breaker so you won't backfeed. Anyway, I'm guessing that with the amount of cloud cover we have had lately and typically do after storms a solar array would have only generated enough power to light a few CFL's.

Call it Crazy   Mon, 5 Nov 2012, 2:54am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 87

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

That's why if you go solar, you get a secondary relay that disconnects it from the grid power. You also add a battery bank so you can power your house from the batteries and inverter.

Unfortunately, the majority of solar power systems being "sold" by the solar used car salesman are grid-tied only and are just "sold" based on monthly payments. These systems don't do a single thing for you when your incoming power stops.

I have three neighbors with roofs full of solar panels and their houses were just as dark as mine when the power went out (until I fired up my battery bank).

zzyzzx   Mon, 5 Nov 2012, 10:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 88

Call it Crazy says

Unfortunately, the majority of solar power systems being "sold" by the solar used car salesman are grid-tied only

Are too stupid to switch off their main breaker???

Call it Crazy   Mon, 5 Nov 2012, 11:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 89

zzyzzx says

Are too stupid to switch off their main breaker???

They aren't tied into the main panel that way. Since the main goal of the majority of the solar panel systems today is to sell power BACK to the power company, and are metered accordingly, they have a sensor that monitors incoming grid power that kills the inverter if grid power is lost.

Would make no difference if you switched off the main breaker. Actually, the house always runs off of normal grid power, that's why they have lights at night. The smart meter feeds electricity produced by the panels back to the power company during the day.

zzyzzx   Tue, 6 Nov 2012, 12:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 90

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20015067/plea-for-underwear-on-staten-island

Plea for underwear on Staten Island

Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro says the people of his community are in desperate need of fresh underwear.

zzyzzx   Tue, 6 Nov 2012, 1:14am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 91

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/sandy-gas-woes-continue-people-trading-gas-for-sex-on-craigslist/

Sandy Gas Woes Continue: People Trading Gas For Sex On Craigslist

zzyzzx   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 3:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 92

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Cops-New-York-man-filled-buckets-with-gas-in-4008927.php

Cops: New York man filled 30 buckets with gas in Conn.

zzyzzx   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 3:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 93

I thought how this guy prepared for the storm was interesting:

Before:

Patrick   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 4:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 94

Creative!

Michinaga   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 5:41am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 95

Family on the Jersey Shore just got their power back on Day 10.

I live in Japan and they were all telling me to move back home after the earthquake a year and a half ago. I'm thinking of inviting them out here!

Call it Crazy   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 6:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 96

zzyzzx says

I thought how this guy prepared for the storm was interesting:

Before:

Nah, I think that's how all the rednecks park their "weekend" car.. (while waiting for parts to fix it).

elliemae   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 9:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 97

the guy with the gas buckets got the idea from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia."

zzyzzx   Wed, 7 Nov 2012, 10:27pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 98

Call it Crazy says

Nah, I think that's how all the rednecks park their "weekend" car.. (while waiting for parts to fix it).

I was thinking that Nissan was his winter beater.

zzyzzx   Fri, 9 Nov 2012, 8:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 99

Condition of Atlantic City boardwalk post hurricane Sandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vou3KqjLL8Q

It only shows the tourist area.

Call it Crazy   Sun, 11 Nov 2012, 6:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 100

zzyzzx says

It only shows the tourist area.

I didn't see any cats??

zzyzzx   Mon, 12 Nov 2012, 2:08am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 101

Call it Crazy says

I didn't see any cats??

As fast as they were traveling down the boardwalk I am not surprised. I'll be doing my own cat finding expedition in AC in December and will report back them. Supposedly the cats are still there.

Call it Crazy   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 11:36pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 102

For those of you who think Sandy was a economic non-issue, here's report from just ONE county in NJ... there are many counties involved in NJ and NY....

Ocean County faces economic crisis post-Sandy

TOMS RIVER — An estimated $33 billion worth of taxable real estate in Ocean County has sustained catastrophic damage or been obliterated in superstorm Sandy, according to the Board of Freeholders.

“It is a catastrophe for those towns, it is a huge problem for the rest of the county, because the (ocean) beach is a third of the county’s tax base,” said Freeholder John C. Bartlett Jr., director of finance on the five-member, all-Republican committee. “From Point Pleasant to Beach Haven, it is roughly 1/3 of the value of the entire county and a lot of that has been destroyed.”

The freeholders said this week that the most aggressive reconstruction plan of the northern barrier island, among the hardest hit places on the Eastern Seaboard, will take about three years to complete.

For the county government, there are practical questions that must be addressed immediately: For example, how does the county continue to fund its $354 million annual budget if a third of its tax base is gone?

And what happens to smaller towns on the barrier island who have seen 60 to 70 percent of their own tax base disappear into the sea? How do those towns continue to fund critical functions of local government such as police and public works departments, or school districts?

“Some of the smaller towns will be absolutely devastated,” said Freeholder Joseph H. Vicari, director of county operations. “They just can’t exist anymore.”

http://www.app.com/viewart/20121115/NJNEWS/311150080/Ocean-County-faces-economic-crisis-post-Sandy?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

elliemae   Sat, 17 Nov 2012, 5:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 103

That sucks. The rest of the country forgets that natural disasters (and unnatural ones as well) affect the victims for years. People are still displaced from Katrina, the Missouri tornadoes, etc.

zzyzzx   Sat, 17 Nov 2012, 8:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 104

From what I can tell from before and after photos, among other things, there is a lot of beach replenishment to be done in NJ.

bob2356   Sat, 17 Nov 2012, 9:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 105

Call it Crazy says

For those of you who think Sandy was a economic non-issue, here's report from just ONE county in NJ... there are many counties involved in NJ and NY....

Ocean County faces economic crisis post-Sandy

TOMS RIVER — An estimated $33 billion worth of taxable real estate in Ocean County has sustained catastrophic damage or been obliterated in superstorm Sandy, according to the Board of Freeholders.

“It is a catastrophe for those towns, it is a huge problem for the rest of the county, because the (ocean) beach is a third of the county’s tax base,” said Freeholder John C. Bartlett Jr., director of finance on the five-member, all-Republican committee. “From Point Pleasant to Beach Haven, it is roughly 1/3 of the value of the entire county and a lot of that has been destroyed.”

There is the problem, the beachfront is 1/3 of the value of the entire county but only at best 2-3% of the land thanks to federal flood insurance. Without it the area would not be nearly as built up or as valuable. Your tax dollars supporting millionaires homes on the beaches.

zzyzzx   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 1:34pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 106

Just got back from Atlantic City, and from what I could tell, the beach erosion was by far the most prominent difference. The beach bars were damaged as well, but it really didn't look like anything major once they are dug out. The beach replenishment that has occurred over the past year or so has been wiped out, and the beach pretty much looks exactly the same as it was before the beach replenishment (as in badly in need of beach replenishment, again).

I don't know how empty Atlantic City normally is on a Thursday night in December, but it was emptier than I have ever seen it (I had not been there in the winter before). There were no lines for anything, except at hotel checkout. The boardwalk had places that were boarded up for the storm and most likely just left that way for the season, but otherwise looked undamaged. It was cold, but above freezing but I'm guessing that the boardwalk was as thinly populated as it was because it was extremely windy.

I did feed some of the boardwalk cats. Specifically this one:

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