bdrasin - thanks for sharing - sometimes I think the only remedy for such widely disparate competing realities is to divide the nation's people into two groups, each to make the laws under which the other half must live
Obama marginally eked out a win, from quite possibly the worst presidential candidate in the History of politics.
Now for post modem the Democrat party is running around talking about how the Republican party needs to fix its self.
From where I stand, IF the republican party DOES manage to FIX its self by next election.
It will spell a disaster for the Democrats in 2016.
Hillary Clinton aside, who in the Democrat party do you think can get the numbers out to vote, had the candidate not been Obama. Obama still has the "Historic" factor going for him. Clinton has a ton of "Clinton" legacy baggage going for her.
How ever if someone like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Frank or Dodd, been running against Romney it would have been a whole different story.
The last ballot in Florida would have been cast by no later than 8:15, and that would have been indicative for the rest of the Nation.
Republican voters were voting against policy and agenda's they are fed up with. Those voters included a significant amount of Independent voters. Democrat voters were voting a historic campfire song. A Kumbiya moment if you will. Or were voting out of fear, that Romney was going to deport the illegals, or cut social services to the poor.
Either way, the way I see it, (as an Independent, who by the way now makes up the political majority in this country at 38%) both the Democrat and Liberal party are so out of touch with the reality of their constituents that by 2016 I suspect the Independents to be more like 45% of the registered voters.
Obama had to scrounge up more Obama supporters this time around, as a large chunk of his supporters were spurred by his mishandling of his first term. If he performs the same way, with out compromise while blaming the previous president, or the republicans, as to say, "It's my way or the I'll blame you way.". The Democrats will be on its last'est last leg(I guess he's on his third leg now) come 2016.
My hope will be that Independents will protest for more representation and end closed Primaries in all states. If that had been the case, then Ron Paul would be the President elect as I type this now.
Ron Paul's supporters were disillusioned Obama supporters, and Independent, or as the Liberal media vilified them Paulbots.
Which is also the very same reason Denis Kusinich didn't win the 2008 Primaries and we ended up with the two unlikeliest candidates, with the most unlikely, unfit and inexperienced winning the Democrat nod, then the election as a whole.
What's wrong with the Republicans? I know what's wrong with the republicans, the same thing that's always been wrong with the Republicans how can you escape that smell.
I'm less concerned about "what's wrong with the republicans" than I am what's wrong with the Democrats.
You guys are celebrating winning a twelfth round decision against a punch drunk gimp, with a bum hip, and a fractured wrist.
Captain - love the name and the pic, though I'm not sure I even understand half of what you're on about and this space does not permit me to cover all the bases on the parts where I do have a clue
In reverse order then: the last thing I'd be celebrating is the election of an unindicted criminal POTUS intent on zapping Americans and others, sans due process, by ticking off a box next to their name every Tuesday AM in the Oval - there are few "Hoorays" for an empire in steep decline - Mr. Obama should be occupying a cell in a SuperMax for that deed alone - and if I were king, he'd have lots of company
Dems & Repubs are merely brands; like Marlboro or McDonalds(read Naomi Klein's No Logo) - getting all het up over our differences leaves less time for us to notice the real thieves who are busy stealing everything that isn't nailed down, eh?
the current crop of addlepated, alleged "Republicans" are, in fact, RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) - if Lincoln, Ike, Bill Buckley or any of the rest of the Old Guard were around, they'd see these Tea Party "patriots" for the tin pot Fascists they are and kick them to the curb in no time - they're misled, misguided and dangerous - they are also a prime reason for the lack of bi-partisanship in Washington (a not altogether bad thing, IMHO) - that they can't cut a deal with Obama speaks volumes as both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue are financially supported by the same money - their hatred (including naked racism) doesn't even allow them to compromise when it is in their own best interests to do so - how fucking dumb is that?
If you check the stats, this election said a loud "NO!" to the tea party-types (whose small government ranting is mirrored by Mr Paul, BTW) - but for the outrageous gerrymandering surgery performed by rigged-in (by the Rove Rig Machine) 2010 Leges in some dozen states, the voters would have thrown out many more state reps as well - as it is, in the US Senate (immune to gerrymander tactics), Dems increased their margin by two (including one Indy who will caucus with them) - Elizabeth Warren, Claire McCaskill and Tammy Baldwin are all flaming Progressives of the first rank and folks I am sure you wil grow to love as the years roll on by - is there any doubt as to the will of the people here?
if you think Ron Paul, or any other 3rd party, has a Chinaman's chance of getting anywhere near the brass ring of the party duopoly, check out the lengths to which Herr Romney went in order to make sure the playing field was tilted his way - while Dr. Paul and I only come together on civil liberties, he deserved a fair shake - Mitt's treatment of the Ron Paul delegates was exceptionally reprehensible:
ask yourself, if he did this to folks in his own party, what do you think he'd be doing to us (the 47% looking for a handout from the "real" workers) after next January 21st?
Can you spell p-s-y-c-h-o-p-a-t-h?
And I don't know about you, but Mr. O is currently "winning" ( the only real winners here are the gentle folks who actually run this country and the planet) this race by more than 3 milion real votes, and counting (with those still not tallied in Flori-duh coming from heavily Democrat sources - absentee, Palm Beach, etc) and a fairly convincing (except maybe in your Independent eyes) 332 Electoral votes - other than Al Gore, from whom the election was stolen, the last first-term win by this margin was by Mr. Obama himself in 2008 and LBJ in 1964 - I'd all it a mini-mandate - would you go along with that?
So basically Obama had to lie to a new set of demographics.
In 2008 it was the young college students, that by mid term they were jobless sleeping in tents in the nations city parks protesting the bank titans Obama was rubbing bosoms with, in between being woke up by police thugs armed with pepper spray.
This time around he promised Rosa Sanchez a brighter future and a better tomorrow. I bet she will still be setting the White House china while hopping her illegal husband doesn't get popped by ICE while he's mowing lawns, come 2016.
Who will the Democrat galvanize after they run out of people to enchant.
They can't keep up this record running against the other guy with out any record.
Everything, every single bit of it, that you folks claim are the problems of the Republican party, is the exact same ailment of the Democrat party.
I should stay out of it, and just watch them both self destruct.
That will at least be an ends to a means, and finally Independent candidates can get a foot hold. I mean how much credit can one give a Photoshopped picture of white guy in a wheel chair with racial epitaphs on his T-Shirt from a party of Liars?
People will wise up by 2016, I've never been more confident.
I guarantee one thing, that not a single prediction of doom and gloom broadcast by Fox Noise will come true.
I doubt MSNBC will continue with the low rating... they been getting.
Still FOX out ranks and continues with the #1 spot for several years.
Fox received 12 million viewers during Tuesdays election nite. far far more than other channels.
Heck, I was watching Fox; one of the most satisfying viewing experiences I can remember. Sour faces, disbelief, barely disguised disappointment and pitiful attempts to appear objective...Rove's demented meltdown was pure gold.
Marcus damn! wuz hoping no one would notice - thought I was going to have to get a part-time job just to keep up with CaptainShuddup, but he's been quiet for awhile now
actually, I was on here last year but couldn't get the hang of the forum thingie (Pat finally gave up on me) - kept having to sign in - a real pain - this time around seems easier somehow - not too proficient on the tech end of stuff
this is a tough crowd - will have to remember to pack my brass knuckles next post
Oddly, I do remember your avatar - why so glum, chum?
And how in the world did Karl "I have the numbers" Rove and every other polemical prognosticator get it all so dreadfully (for them) wrong? This poorly-titled but insightful piece lays bare the fundamental problem with applying a rigid and doctrinaire philospophy to, what should be, the open-minded process of reasoning.
•"Besides presumptions regarding responsibility ... , such differences between certainty and doubt, between absolutism and ambiguity distinguish the opposing psychological types of the political divide as much as anything."
•"... what’s become increasingly apparent to anyone dispassionate enough to fathom it, whatever his or her political philosophy. The American right has an increasingly troubled relationship ... , with the truth as the rest of the world perceives it:..."
•" The Obama Years have represented for the right a strategic assault on the Daniel Patrick Moynihan maxim about opinions not being facts and about not being entitled to confuse the two:..."
This is a fascinating review of Silver's book on how he got damn near everything right in 2008, and ended up doing a ditto in 2012. Meet the dude who outRoved Rove; the guy with the real, real numbers.