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Can you lower HIV infection risk? Yes, with a simple procedure


By thunderlips11   Follow   Mon, 12 Nov 2012, 11:54pm PST   6,470 views   99 comments
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http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/

Study after Study after Study shows Circumcised Males have 42%+ reduction in HIV infection versus the non-circumcised groups. For high-risk groups: Those who have multiple partners, have been treated for other STDs, etc. the reduction was ~70%.

Wow, if you knew that a two-minute, largely painless (but only on infants with less developed nerves) operation could reduce your child's chances getting HIV by nearly 50%, you'd be nuts not to do it.

Furthermore, being circumcised almost completely eliminates the risk of Penile Cancer. Almost all cases of penile cancer in the USA are in uncircumcised males. Studies show that the chances getting and spreading other STDs, and it is now believed, HPV (a large factor in Ovarian Cancer) is also greatly retarded by circumcision.

Tell Rabbi Tuckman, lose the bacteria/virus breeding chamber skin flap.

"If a vaccine was available that reduced HIV risk by 60 percent, genital herpes risk by 30 percent and HR-HPV [cervical cancer virus] risk by 35 percent, the medical community would rally behind the immunization, and it would be promoted as a game-changing public health intervention," study author Dr. Aaron Tobian, epidemiologist and pathologist at Hopkins, told MSNBC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20115905-10391704.html

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Bap33   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 1:25pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 60

Dan8267 says

Only when one is armed with accurate information, can one make a good decision about this procedure

abortion stops a beating heart. you have now been informed.

Dan8267   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 1:34pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 61

Melmakian says

So says the God-hater who can't prove that God doesn't exist but wants everyone to believe in Global Warming despite it hasn't been proven to exist either.

Do I have to open a thread on that too?

Dan8267   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 1:36pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 62

Bap33 says

abortion stops a beating heart. you have now been informed.

So if the abortion happens before the heart is formed, you are okay with it then?

How the Morning After Pill Works

Bap33   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 1:57pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 63

I am never ok with the destruction of an innocent human baby. They possess all of the potential to cure cancer or bring peace to all man.

Dan8267   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 2:06pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 64

Bap33 says

I am never ok with the destruction of an innocent human baby. They possess all of the potential to cure cancer or bring peace to all man.

The same can be said about every sperm cell in the world. Are you against sperm going to waste by not being used to impregnate everything in sight?

thunderlips11   Wed, 14 Nov 2012, 11:12pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 65

Dan8267 says

More important than the conclusion is the line of thought that leads to it. I think we're using the same line of thought.

Word. I see your and Leo's point, in my father's day, tonsil removal was routine for most children; today the consensus is the drawbacks negate the benefits and that tonsils should only be removed when there are problems. I imagine the circumcision debate will go through the same process as the science develops and the consensus changes either way in reaction to new research.

Dan8267 says

I'd like to see a reputable organization like the World Heath Organization publish an in-depth study on the positive and negative effects of circumcision as well as the anesthetic needs and risks for babies receiving this procedure. Only when one is armed with accurate information, can one make a good decision about this procedure. Personally, I don't see why it would be difficult for the WHO to perform such a definitive study. Seems like it should be easy to do compared to many of the other things they do.

Lots of stuff from WHO:

http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/fact_sheet/en/


Medical male circumcision reduces the risk of female-to-male sexual transmission of HIV by approximately 60%.
Since 2007, WHO and UNAIDS have recommended voluntary medical male circumcision as an additional important strategy for HIV prevention, particularly in settings with high HIV prevalence and low levels of male circumcision, where the public health benefits will be maximized. Fourteen countries in eastern and southern Africa with this profile have initiated programmes to expand male circumcision.
Medical male circumcision offers excellent value for money in such settings. It saves costs by averting new HIV infections and reducing the number of people needing HIV treatment and care.
A one-time intervention, medical male circumcision provides men life-long partial protection against HIV as well as other sexually transmitted infections. It should always be considered as part of a comprehensive HIV prevention package of services and be used in conjunction with other methods of prevention, such as female and male condoms.

Here's some WHO documents from their website which comprehensively lay out their position, including the most recent, most comprehensive studies on circumcision and HIV. :
http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/malecircumcision/research_implications/en/index.html

An age old religious routine might have hit on something by accident. Just like some of the herbs used in medieval times actually did something like what they were claimed, and allowed us to synthesize the chemicals within into better and powerful medicine. Most of herb-use was quackery, but a fraction of it was legit.

One of the explanations for circumcision is that when you live the the desert, sand gets trapped into your foreskin, and scratches everything to all hell, causing cuts and infections. It may have been later subject to mythological explanation after the original purpose was forgotten. So instead of "We semites remove our foreskins so as not to have sand up our wang" it became "The King of the Mountain told us we're his people who should mark ourselves by removing this skin flap."

On the summary page, it goes on to talk about the randomized control studies done by the US NIH and a French Organization, which are the sources for the 53-60% number (it varies).

This is why I compare circumcision to Gardasil (HPV Vaccine) - Gardasil does not prevent all or even almost all of the HPV varieties linked to cervical cancer, but is recommended anyway.

This campaign to circumcise by WHO/UNICEF/UNAIDS and other NGOs acting in concert has their own site dedicated to male circumcision:
http://www.malecircumcision.org/about/male_circumcision_about_us.html

The first link of the Tools and Programmes links to the use of Local Anaesthetics when performing circumcision:
http://www.malecircumcision.org/programs/tools_guidelines.html

There are also papers about which devices are best used, how to train personnel, funding for it, etc.

Bap33   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 5:09am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 66

Dan8267 says

Bap33 says



I am never ok with the destruction of an innocent human baby. They possess all of the potential to cure cancer or bring peace to all man.


The same can be said about every sperm cell in the world. Are you against sperm going to waste by not being used to impregnate everything in sight?

nope, in natural conditions a sperm cell dies if it does not find a female egg. A female egg dies in natural conditions if a sperm does not breach the cell wall. Once those two individual cells join, they become a whole new cell with matched DNA .... and that cell splits and splits and splits and continues on for 80 years or so with the exact same DNA it started with. Start from the 80 year old guy, no wait, start from your age and use you for the example, going backwards in your life time, tell me when you stop being the cell cluster that we all call Dan. Thanks.

Dan8267   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 7:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (2)     Comment 67

thunderlips11 says

Lots of stuff from WHO:

Good find. The WHO I trust. They don't have religious or cultural agendas and have to work across many cultures. As such, they really have to be culture neutral and stick to the facts. They also have accomplished a lot in protecting the world from disease.

Plus they rock epically.

Dan8267   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 7:22am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 68

Bap33 says

nope, in natural conditions a sperm cell dies if it does not find a female egg. A female egg dies in natural conditions if a sperm does not breach the cell wall.

Still don't get the concept of natural selection, do ya?

Bap33 says

, tell me when you stop being the cell cluster that we all call Dan.

Finally, you get close to the issue. It's rare moments like this that I have hope for you.

I'll address this very issue and many others when I write my weekend rant. Can't get enough free time during the week to do it.

Bap33   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 10:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 69

you have an odd way of telling me I am right. Is it that tuff to do? lol

Dan8267   Thu, 15 Nov 2012, 12:46pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 70

Bap33 says

you have an odd way of telling me I am right. Is it that tuff to do? lol

I will gladly say you are right should that ever happen.

Dan8267   Wed, 21 Nov 2012, 8:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 71

Bap33 says

I say liberalism is a mental disorder.

And that is why your opinion on what constitutes a mental disorder carries no weight. In fact, this lack of grasp on reality is why your opinions on issues in general carries no weight.

thunderlips11   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 5:33am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 72

New Evidence: Circumcision changes bacterial composition of foreskin area; reduces overall bacterial load; increases number of Langerhans cells (Immunity Boosters), may explain reduction in HIV among circumcised men vs. uncircumcised men.

http://news.discovery.com/health/circumcision-alters-penis-bacteria-130416.htm

finehoe   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:24am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 73

I bet this works too:

Female infibulation is the removal of the labia minora (inner lips) and labia majora (outer lips). When the labial tissue heals, it forms a wall of skin and flesh across the vagina and the rest of the pubic area. By inserting a twig or similar before the wound heals, a small hole is created for the passage of urine and menstrual blood. The procedure is usually accompanied by the removal of the clitoris. The legs are bound together for two to four weeks to allow the labia to heal into a barrier. The procedure is usually carried out on young girls before the onset of puberty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infibulation

Dan8267   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 74

thunderlips11 says

New Evidence: Circumcision changes bacterial composition of foreskin area; reduces overall bacterial load; increases number of Langerhans cells (Immunity Boosters), may explain reduction in HIV among circumcised men vs. uncircumcised men.

Unless the effect is highly significant like 90% or more effective, I don't think it's wise to consider circumcision a good way to prevent AIDS. Better off sticking with condoms given the significance of being "unfortunate".

thunderlips11   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:44am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 75

False equivalency. What are the scientifically proven health benefits to female infibulation, again? None.

Also, men circumcised in adulthood report "little to no difference" in sensation or ability to orgasm. Some even report better orgasms. I wonder what that would be for female mutilation.

finehoe   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:47am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 76

Chop the end of your own dick off all you want honey, just don't be so keen on foisting it on others.

thunderlips11   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:48am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 77

finehoe says

Chop the end of your own dick off all you want honey, just don't be so keen on foisting it on others.

Ah, excellent, rational, reasoned argument.

Circumcision is more complicated and painful in adulthood, and waiting until over 18 doesn't prevent HIV transmission, UTIs, non-retractable foreskins (most common in prepubescent boys), and the transmission of HPV before then. Most people screw around long before 18.

The recovery time for infant circumcision is less than 24 hours. After the onset of puberty, it is 10-14 days.

curious2   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 6:56am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 78

Multiplying thunderlips11 says

"If a vaccine was available....

it would be cheaper and less invasive than surgery. The best prevention technologies available currently are (a) condoms, which have been around for centuries at least, and (b) circumcision, which has been around for millenia. That fact should tell you something. Since drug companies began advertising DTC and PhRMA's political influence began to dominate the evening news and federal policy (e.g. Medicare D, Obamacare), research $ has gone primarily to daily pills that PhRMA can advertise on TV. For a small fraction of that cost, we could have vaccines that would end these diseases, and probably end many cancers as well. It is shocking how ignorant some people (e.g. Homefool) are about vaccines, many do not even understand what a vaccine is and how it works. Vaccines work by improving the immune system to prevent or cure disease. Some vaccines do both, e.g. the smallpox vaccine can prevent smallpox and it can cure smallpox in people recently infected. (Homefool tried to deny that by saying it won't cure them after the disease has already run its course, and I must acknowledge dead people are very difficult to treat.) That is how smallpox was eradicated, and the cost of treating smallpox has dropped to zero because nobody gets smallpox anymore. Many people assume that prices and medical costs must always increase, but that is not true. CPI did not increase overall in the century prior to the advent of the Federal Reserve, and medical costs could actually fall if instead of revenue-maximizing PhRMA-driven public policy we had public policy in the public interest, reducing costs. For an interesting popular article on vaccine research, you can read more here.

finehoe   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 7:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 79

"While the “gold standard” for medical trials is the randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, the African trials suffered [a number of serious problems] including problematic randomisation and selection bias, inadequate blinding, lack of placebo-control (male circumcision could not be concealed), inadequate equipoise, experimenter bias, attrition (673 drop-outs in female-to-male trials), not investigating male circumcision as a vector for HIV transmission, not investigating non-sexual HIV transmission, as well as lead-time bias, supportive bias (circumcised men received additional counselling sessions), participant expectation bias, and time-out discrepancy (restraint from sexual activity only by circumcised men)."

http://www.salem-news.com/fms/pdf/2011-12_JLM-Boyle-Hill.pdf

thunderlips11   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 5:34am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 80

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), announced an early end to two clinical trials of adult male circumcision because an interim review of trial data revealed that medically performed circumcision significantly reduces a man's risk of acquiring HIV through heterosexual intercourse. The trial in Kisumu, Kenya, of 2,784 HIV-negative men showed a 53 percent reduction of HIV acquisition in circumcised men relative to uncircumcised men, while a trial of 4,996 HIV-negative men in Rakai, Uganda, showed that HIV acquisition was reduced by 48 percent in circumcised men.

"These findings are of great interest to public health policy makers who are developing and implementing comprehensive HIV prevention programs,"says NIH Director Elias A. Zerhouni, M.D. "Male circumcision performed safely in a medical environment complements other HIV prevention strategies and could lessen the burden of HIV/AIDS, especially in countries in sub-Saharan Africa where, according to the 2006 estimates from UNAIDS, 2.8 million new infections occurred in a single year."

Above PDF claims trials not randomized, controlled, etc. The DIrector of National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases disagrees:

"Many studies have suggested that male circumcision plays a role in protecting against HIV acquisition," notes NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. "We now have confirmation — from large, carefully controlled, randomized clinical trials — showing definitively that medically performed circumcision can significantly lower the risk of adult males contracting HIV through heterosexual intercourse. While the initial benefit will be fewer HIV infections in men, ultimately adult male circumcision could lead to fewer infections in women in those areas of the world where HIV is spread primarily through heterosexual intercourse."

The findings from the African studies may have less impact on the epidemic in the United States for several reasons. In the United States, most men have been circumcised. Also, there is a lower prevalence of HIV. Moreover, most infections among men in the United States are in men who have sex with men, for whom the amount of benefit provided by circumcision is unknown. Nonetheless, the overall findings of the African studies are likely to be broadly relevant regardless of geographic location: a man at sexual risk who is uncircumcised is more likely than a man who is circumcised to become infected with HIV. Still, circumcision is only part of a broader HIV prevention strategy that includes limiting the number of sexual partners and using condoms during intercourse.

The co-principal investigators of the Kenyan trial are Robert Bailey, Ph.D., M.P.H., of the University of Illinois at Chicago, and Stephen Moses, M.D., M.P.H., University of Manitoba, Canada. In addition to NIAID support, the Kenyan trial was funded by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research and included Kenyan researchers Jeckoniah Ndinya-Achola, M.B.Ch.B., and Kawango Agot, Ph.D., M.P.H. The Ugandan trial is led by Ronald Gray, M.B.B.S., M.Sc., of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland. Additional collaborators in the Ugandan trial were David Serwadda, M.Med., M.Sc., M.P.H., Nelson Sewankambo, M.B.Ch.B., M.Med.M.Sc., Stephen Watya, M.B.Ch.B., M.Med., and Godfrey Kigozi, M.B.Ch.B., M.P.H.

Both trials involved adult, HIV-negative heterosexual male volunteers assigned at random to either intervention (circumcision performed by trained medical professionals in a clinic setting) or no intervention (no circumcision). All participants were extensively counseled in HIV prevention and risk reduction techniques.

The above PDF claims that only the circumcised were counseled; this is not the case.

Both trials reached their enrollment targets by September 2005 and were originally designed to continue follow-up until mid-2007. However, at the regularly scheduled meeting of the NIAID Data and Safety Monitoring Board (DSMB) on December 12, 2006, reviewers assessed the interim data and deemed medically performed circumcision safe and effective in reducing HIV acquisition in both trials. They therefore recommended the two studies be halted early. All men who were randomized into the non-intervention arms will now be offered circumcision.

"It is critical to emphasize that these clinical trials demonstrated that medical circumcision is safe and effective when the procedure is performed by medically trained professionals and when patients receive appropriate care during the healing period following surgery," notes Dr. Fauci.

Researchers have noted significant variations in HIV prevalence that seemed, at least in certain African and Asian countries, to be associated with levels of male circumcision in the community. In areas where circumcision is common, HIV prevalence tends to be lower; conversely, areas of higher HIV prevalence overlapped with regions where male circumcision is not commonly practiced.

Results of the first randomized clinical trial assessing the protective value of male circumcision against HIV infection, conducted by a team of French and South African researchers in South Africa, were reported in 2005. That trial of more than 3,000 HIV-negative men showed that circumcision reduced the risk of acquiring HIV by 60 percent. The trial was funded by the French Agence Nationale de Recherches sur le Sida (ANRS) (see http://www.anrs.fr/).

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/dec2006/niaid-13.htm

Multiple long term, large sample sized research efforts - BOTH actual trials AND statistical surveys of infection rates among various populations - have shown that circumcision carries substantial anti-HIV benefits.

dodgerfanjohn   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 6:07am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 81

Is it really that difficult to get the dude to put on a condom before he jabs his penis into your rectum?

iwog   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 6:15am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 82

This virus just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Now they have two men who they may have accidentally cured with stem cell treatments.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57592214/two-men-cured-of-hiv-no-longer-taking-treatments/

mell   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 6:27am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 83

iwog says

This virus just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Now they have two men who they may have accidentally cured with stem cell treatments.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57592214/two-men-cured-of-hiv-no-longer-taking-treatments/

If I recall correctly they also cured a girl of Leukemia with a genetically modified HIV virus. Unless it mutates significantly to the more virulent side HIV may become a non-issue within a decade or two. In fact they may find more uses to genetically modify it to cure other diseases due to its very interesting properties (e.g. very target selection of cells and controllable pace). Also, a certain percentage of Caucasians are already immune (they can still transmit it though), I don't recall the exact number, but somewhere around 5% I think.

iwog   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 6:49am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 84

In white populations approximately 1% are totally immune and 20% are partially immune.

It's one of the advantages we have over Africa along with circumcision and anal not being the first resort choice of birth control.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 7:52am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 85

Wanna stop AIDS? Quit begging strangers to stuff their dicks in your ass!

freak80   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 8:06am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 86

Wow, so those crazy Jews had it right all along! :-)

marcus   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 12:00pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 87

CaptainShuddup says

Well that must explain my low IQ, I've been drinking tap water all of my life

Let's just consider it one of the reasons.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Wanna stop AIDS? Quit begging strangers to stuff their dicks in your ass!

I did lol at this one.

HydroCabron   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 12:11pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 88

Did the study include a statistically significant sample of skullisexuals?

thomaswong.1986   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 12:48pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 89

thunderlips11 says

Can you lower HIV infection risk? Yes, with a simple procedure

take a cold shower.. yep pretty simple ! no point getting infected or dealing with a pregnancy.

SoftShell   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 1:07pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 90

Have your asshole sewn shut...that'll do it on the cheap!

SoftShell   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 1:13pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 91

Sperm by itself does not have potential to cure jackshit.
Union of sperm and egg, resulting in human baby, does have potential to cure cancer.
Uncle Dan: FAIL.

Dan8267 says

Bap33 says

I am never ok with the destruction of an innocent human baby. They possess all of the potential to cure cancer or bring peace to all man.

The same can be said about every sperm cell in the world.

MershedPerturders   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 1:48pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 92

freak80 says

Wow, so those crazy Jews had it right all along! :-)

and 2 billion muslims.

MershedPerturders   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 1:49pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 93

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

accidentally cured with stem cell treatments.

studies have shown that strangers sticking dicks in your ass is not related to the spread of HIV. Get your facts straight. STOP THE HATE!!!!!!!!

Facebooksux   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 2:03pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 94

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Wanna stop AIDS? Quit begging strangers to stuff their dicks in your ass!

The real question we must axe here is this:

"How can we reduce the incidence of HIV infection when skullfucking banksters?"

Dan8267   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 2:09pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 95

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Wanna stop AIDS? Quit begging strangers to stuff their dicks in your ass!

NEVER!

Dan8267   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 2:11pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 96

SoftShell says

Sperm by itself does not have potential to cure jackshit.

Union of sperm and egg, resulting in human baby, does have potential to cure cancer.

Uncle Dan: FAIL.

Dan8267 says

Bap33 says

I am never ok with the destruction of an innocent human baby. They possess all of the potential to cure cancer or bring peace to all man.

The same can be said about every sperm cell in the world.

It turns out that sperm has low levels of vitamins. So I'm sure the vast quantities of sperm you swallow can cure scurvy.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 2:15pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 97

Of course, running around bent over inviting people to stick their dicks in your ass bloody and blasting HIVed spooge all over the broken blood vessels in your ass has nothing to do with AIDS. It's just that gay guys go to the zoo a lot where they are exposed to monkey bites from heroine addicted monkeys with AIDS. More bum blasts for everyone!

Mick Russom   Wed, 18 Sep 2013, 5:49pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 98

Pure balderdash. Genital mutilation advocacy - why is this needed here? Why don't we remove the brain, most organs and let the body grow in a Matrix-bath. It drastically reduces the risks of dying of cancer, or even exhibiting risky behaviors.

You know maybe just maybe some of these studies need to be examined more closely. I did the research a while back and the pro genital mutilation research was relatively easy to debunk.

HydroCabron   Thu, 19 Sep 2013, 5:47am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 99

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Wanna stop AIDS? Quit begging strangers to stuff their dicks in your ass!

This would be more helpful as a mug or refrigerator magnet.

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