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Marco Rubio on the age of the earth


By uomo_senza_nome   Follow   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 4:48am PST   3,208 views   34 comments
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GQ: How old do you think the Earth is?

Marco Rubio: I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.

Full interview link here

The age of earth was already beaten to death here.

But, how can you reject basic science? I am beginning to comprehend what iwog (and a few others) mean when they say Republican party's ideology is very identical to a fundamentalist religion. Complete lack of openness and objective inquiry.

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Patrick   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 6:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 1

uomo_senza_nome says

But, how can you reject basic science? I am beginning to comprehend what iwog (and a few others) mean when they say Republican party's ideology is very identical to a fundamentalist religion. Complete lack of openness and objective inquiry.

They simply consider self-interest and truth to be the same thing: "If it benefits me, it must be true. If it does not benefit me, it must be false."

Once you start viewing the world that way, it all makes sense.

CL   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 6:54am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 2

I think that's why the Fox-shock on election night captures the rightwing zeitgeist so perfectly. But I have reasoned it so!!! The Kenyan Socialist cannot win re-election---nobody likes him...the polls are wrong, and Nate Silver is a sissy!

And let's not get all caught up on the age of the earth...people have different interpretations of that too. Some say billions of years, some a few thousand. Either way, climate change doesn't exist, and if it does, it's not caused by us, and if it IS caused by us, it's good.

They believe in science...Republican science, as taught in home-school, or via Texas text-books.

uomo_senza_nome   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 7:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 3

CL says

The Kenyan Socialist cannot win re-election---nobody likes him...the polls are wrong, and Nate Silver is a sissy!

I love xkcd. He has a cartoon for nearly everything.

uomo_senza_nome   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 12:00pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 4

Patrick says

"If it benefits me, it must be true. If it does not benefit me, it must be false."

It only works as long as majority of the population is willfully stupid. But they're not. Republicans will continue to lose the majority vote as they keep moving farther and farther right.

They need to move at least reasonably to the center to have a mathematical possibility of winning (Nate Silver mentioned this in his interview with Jon Stewart).

CL says

They believe in science...Republican science, as taught in home-school, or via Texas text-books.

LOL, I have a friend from Texas; he showed me this book about everything Texans need to know about other states. ;)

thomaswong.1986   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 2:54pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 5

uomo_senza_nome says

But, how can you reject basic science?

ergo.. we should elect scientists as law makers.. but do scientist know how to even write laws... did they study law.. earn a degree and are fully qualified to practice law.

What does the age of the earth have anything to so with governing..or law making.

Had i been Rubio I would has answered ... "wrong question your asking" then cursed his ass in Spanish..

Dan8267   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 3:02pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 6

uomo_senza_nome says

Marco Rubio: I’m not a scientist

Pretty much any statement that begins with "I'm not a scientist" is going to be stupid.

Look, I'm not a scientist either, but I knew the age of the Earth when I was five years old. Man, if you've graduated from high school and still don't know how old the Earth is, you deserve no respect whatsoever.

There are certain things that every person in the 21st century should know, and this is one of them. The complete lack of curiosity it must take to remain ignorant of this fact in the day of Google is staggering. I mean, literally, all it takes to find out the answer to this question is five seconds of typing.

Anyone who doesn't even have that basic knowledge is someone who's opinion on all subject matters should be discarded. Uninformed opinions aren't worth respecting and neither are the people who hold them.

Dan8267   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 3:06pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

Patrick says

They simply consider self-interest and truth to be the same thing: "If it benefits me, it must be true. If it does not benefit me, it must be false."

Once you start viewing the world that way, it all makes sense.

That explains a lot of posts on this site, especially from the right.

Dan8267   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 3:08pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 8

thomaswong.1986 says

What does the age of the earth have anything to so with governing..or law making.

A person who is so ignorant of even basic facts is not intelligent enough, knowledgeable enough, or wise enough to write good legislation.

thomaswong.1986   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 3:15pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 9

Dan8267 says

so ignorant of even basic facts

facts .. in what ?

Science
Law
Business
Medicine
Mechanical Engineering
Poetry
History
Accounting/Finance

..Engineers are stupid..

Dan8267   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 3:28pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 10

thomaswong.1986 says

.Engineers are stupid..

Sounds like the video describes minimum wage tech support people who don't give a damn.

And what the fuck does writing code have to do with placing a speaker near a hard drive? The guy obviously doesn't know the difference between software and hardware.

As for you disdain for engineers and scientists, it sounds like an insecurity complex. Engineers and scientists are the ones who made life as pleasant as it is today. Without us, you'd be ravaged by the Black Death or mauled by a wild animal after living on the edge of starvation for your entire life.

But hey, if you don't like what we engineers do, then stop using our products like the Internet.

uomo_senza_nome   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 11:18pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 11

thomaswong.1986 says

What does the age of the earth have anything to so with governing..or law making.

This question is stupid, but I will still answer it -- since I earnestly believe that you can shed your ignorance.

The knowledge is science and education has to do with future productivity. These lawmakers are engaged in fiscal policy decisions which will affect the future productivity of the country and if you won't honor the overwhelming scientific evidence staring at your face, you will do stupid things that will run the country into the ground.

Now Republicans do sincerely want to run the country into the ground, as long as their bank accounts are sheltered in Cayman Islands.

lostand confused   Mon, 19 Nov 2012, 11:31pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 12

thomaswong.1986 says

What does the age of the earth have anything to so with governing..or law making.

It has a lot to do with governing. With all the evidence available, if you are willfully stupid and cling to fairy tale notions, then that speaks volumes about you as a person and how you will govern.

Perhaps that explains Bush. When 9/11 happened, instead of going after Bin Laden, he went after the wrong country and killed and wounded a lot of our soldiers -for what? This kind of misguided notion-the inability to separate belief from reality/facts can be very dangerous and damaging.

We only have to look at the Islamic nations to see where that can lead and what happens when Sharia law/fantasy belief becomes the accepted reality and anything other than that narrow band is crushed ruthlessly.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 4:45am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

Dan8267 says

Sounds like the video describes minimum wage tech support people who don't give a damn.

one of the creators of the Apple Mac...

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 4:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

lostand confused says

Perhaps that explains Bush. When 9/11 happened, instead of going after Bin Laden, he went after the wrong country and killed and wounded a lot of our soldiers -for what?

Your suffering from selective amnesia.. we did go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Iraq was a different matter in which plenty of Democrats were all to willing to invade long before Bush became president. And they were all vocal of terrorists ties to Iraq.

Oh how easy you libs have short memories... Ask Al Gore...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTzKPBQZ94

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 4:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

uomo_senza_nome says

This question is stupid, but I will still answer it -- since I earnestly believe that you can shed your ignorance.

The knowledge is science and education has to do with future productivity. These lawmakers are engaged in fiscal policy decisions which will affect the future productivity of the country and if you won't honor the overwhelming scientific evidence staring at your face, you will do stupid things that will run the country into the ground.

Since when do scientist study economics.. have any fundamental understanding of business or any industry..

Have they studied laws.. or just proclaim the nature laws as applied to every citizen.

Its all a fantasy world..

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 4:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

uomo_senza_nome says

Now Republicans do sincerely want to run the country into the ground, as long as their bank accounts are sheltered in Cayman Islands.

a political football used by Dems.. had this been an issue it would have been resolved ages ago..

heck.. why not go after Delaware.. you clowns do realize how Delaware is a Tax Heaven.. Surely uncle Joe knows about it..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_General_Corporation_Law#Tax_benefits_and_burdens

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 4:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 17

thomaswong.1986 says

lostand confused says



Perhaps that explains Bush. When 9/11 happened, instead of going after Bin Laden, he went after the wrong country and killed and wounded a lot of our soldiers -for what?


Your suffering from selective amnesia.. we did go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan.


Iraq was a different matter in which plenty of Democrats were all to willing to invade long before Bush became president. And they were all vocal of terrorists ties to Iraq.


Oh how easy you libs have short memories... Ask Al Gore...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTzKPBQZ94

We did go after Bin Laden? Really, for how long and if we had used all our resources you think he would have kept releasing tapes, mocking and taunting us while taking on new wives and amassing a huge stash of porn???

Bush had how many years after 9/11 and didn't get him?? Oh suddenly now Iraq is bipartisan? LOL-Bush was the commander -in chief . Now you won't even take responsibility for his actions-despite him flying in to give a speech under the ,"Mission Accomplished" banner. How on earth can you say that when Bin Laden is out there making fun of us while taking on new wives and increasing his porn collection??

People say a lot of things-that is part and parcel of diplomacy. It was not democrats that got us there. It is democrats that got us out and got Bin laden. The coward Bush could not even finish what he started.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:08am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 18

lostand confused says

Bush had how many years after 9/11 and didn't get him?? Oh suddenly now Iraq is bipartisan? LOL-Bush was the commander -in chief . Now you won't even take responsibility for his actions-despite him flying in to give aspeech under the ,"Mission Accomplished" banner. How on earth can yous ay that when Bin Laden is otut here making fun of us while taking on new wives and increasing his porn collection??

Oh.. yea.. you think we can just waltz into any region and find these terrorists.

These things take a long time.. the intel and mil services had standing orders to go after OBL and they accomplished it..

The Israels are still going after PLO terrorists who massacred the Israeli 1972 Olympic team.. They too have standing orders.. eventually they all will get caught.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 19

thomaswong.1986 says

Oh.. yea.. you think we can just waltz into any region and find these terrorists.
These things take a long time.. the intel and mil services had standing orders to go after OBL and they accomplished it..
The Israels are still going after PLO terrorists who massacred the Israeli 1972 Olympic team.. They too have standing orders.. eventually they all will get caught.

Nah. Bush and the republicans focus were not on Bin Laden. Both McCain and Romney said they would not go after Bin Laden in Pakistan-neither did Bush.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 20

lostand confused says

Nah. Bush and the republicans focus were not on Bin Laden. Both McCain and Romney said they would not go after Bin Laden in Pakistan-neither did Bush.

oh well.. you must have been born yesterday.

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:40am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 21

thomaswong.1986 says

oh well.. you must have been born yesterday

When people tell you something about themselves, listen.

uomo_senza_nome   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 22

thomaswong.1986 says

Its all a fantasy world..

for who, you? Sure I'd agree.

thomaswong.1986 says

Since when do scientist study economics.. have any fundamental understanding of business or any industry

Actually scientists should study economics, because then they can get rid of all the dogma in it.

uomo_senza_nome   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 5:51am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 23

thomaswong.1986 says

you clowns do realize how Delaware is a Tax Heaven.. Surely uncle Joe knows about it..

Sure for corporates. How about individuals?

Why does Mitt Romney have a Cayman islands account?

Dan8267   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 6:54am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Sounds like the video describes minimum wage tech support people who don't give a damn.

one of the creators of the Apple Mac...

Well that explains it. MACs aren't real computers and Apple products have always sucked. That's the price of being a religion, and Apple is most certainly a religion.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:00am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 25

uomo_senza_nome says

Why does Mitt Romney have a Cayman islands account?

who says he does ? .. you have some documentation on this.. or is it a rumor..

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 26

uomo_senza_nome says

Sure for corporates. How about individuals?

Why does Mitt Romney have a Cayman islands account?

If Dems are so against such easy tax treatment.. would we have shut down such
tax heavens like Delaware some time ago ?

or is it just a political tool ...

Is Obama even asking any question on this ?

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 27

thomaswong.1986 says

who says he does ? .. you have some documentation on this.. or

Wow! Just wow!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 28

lostand confused says

Wow! Just wow!!

Thats funny! stashed.. thats an way over the top to call it that...

* Early in 2012, ABC News reported that Romney "has as much as $8 million invested in at least 12 funds listed on a Cayman Islands registry. Another investment, which Romney reports as being worth between $5 million and $25 million, shows up on securities records as having been domiciled in the Caymans."

There are many mutual funds and companies listed in the Cayman's as there are ADRs listed on NYSE.. none are illegal and many are open to the public to invest in.

so what is illegal about this ? Nothing...

David S. Miller, a tax attorney with Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP in New York, told PolitiFact that tax-exempt entities, including IRA accounts, sometimes invest through Cayman Islands corporations to reduce their U.S. taxes. "Congress did not deliberately allow tax-exempts to reduce their U.S. taxes by investing through Cayman Islands corporations," Miller said. "However, the practice is widespread and the IRS has approved of it."
.

Walk down to your brokers office and invest into Logitec or Seagate.. its the same thing.

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 29

thomaswong.1986 says

Thats funny!

What is funny is that you are arguing about something that even Mitt Romney won't come out and deny.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 7:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 30

lostand confused says

thomaswong.1986 says

Thats funny!

What is funny is that you are arguing about something that even Mitt Romney won't come out and deny.

It is funny... there is a sharp difference with having "accounts" as in bank account in Cayman Islands vs having investments in Companies and Mutual Funds registered in the Caymans.. Anyone can have investments in securities registered in the Caymans.... To you this is all the same.. but there are sharp differences..

so now where are the Swiss and Cayman Bank Accounts... B-A-N-K....clearly this is wrong and false..

"He had millions in a Swiss bank account," the ad says, and in "tax havens like Bermuda … and the Cayman Islands.

"These are investments in third-party entities," Malt said, likening them to stock in Toyota.

CL   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 8:30am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 31

And you wonder why Rubio parses his words? It's because the partisan Republicans will believe anything you tell them. It's as though any excuse passes through without their bullshit radar going off.

After all, it's one of theirs.

Which brings me to a question I think of often. If you pick an issue and pin them down the way we did pre-election, what would they say?

Take Immigration...what is the rightwingers position on immigration reform? What is unacceptable to the rightwingers here? Quick...answer it, before Fox tells you what to think.

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 9:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 32

thomaswong.1986 says

It is funny... there is a sharp difference with having "accounts" as in bank account in Cayman Islands vs having investments in Companies and Mutual Funds registered in the Caymans.. Anyone can have investments in securities registered in the Caymans.... To you this is all the same.. but there are sharp differences..
so now where are the Swiss and Cayman Bank Accounts... B-A-N-K....clearly this is wrong and false..
"He had millions in a Swiss bank account," the ad says, and in "tax havens like Bermuda … and the Cayman Islands.
"These are investments in third-party entities," Malt said, likening them to stock in Toyota.

See this fits perfectly into the Fox News threads. When you start believing your own BS-that is just wrong. Even Mitt Romney didn't twist so much to explain away the truth.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 9:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

lostand confused says

See this fits perfectly into the Fox News threads. When you start believing your own BS-that is just wrong. Even Mitt Romney didn't twist so much to explain away the truth.

No point being lost and confused.. Obama accused Romney of having Swiss and Cayman 'bank accounts' which the Media blew out of proportion by pointing to securities investments in companies and MF registered overseas. Investments anyone else could have bought... all legal and full disclosed.

Obama lied.. and you drank it up like it was holy water. What else did he lie about you havent picked up yet ?

lostand confused   Tue, 20 Nov 2012, 10:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 34

thomaswong.1986 says

No point being lost and confused.. Obama accused Romney of having Swiss and Cayman 'bank accounts' which the Media blew out of proportion by pointing to securities investments in companies and MF registered overseas. Investments anyone else could have bought... all legal and full disclosed.
Obama lied.. and you drank it up like it was holy water. What else did he lie about you havent picked up yet ?

Even Mittens would be proud of you. Your ability to twist the obvious to fit your narrative is amazing.

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