Home Prices & the Dow, each Inflation-Adjusted. A recent Dow day.


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These simple price histories are VERY instructive, but they are RARELY shown.
http://showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
("The public be suckered.")

Both up to date:
http://www.showrealhist.com/RHandRD.html
STRAIGHTFORWARD: the main enabler of sizable asset price bubbles (very harmful) is keeping the real price histories out of sight.
The plotted data for Real Homes and Real Dow are available in these tables:
http://www.showrealhist.com/RHtable.html
http://www.showrealhist.com/TABLEnum.html

Last prices relative to extrapolated histories -- noted following the first chart here:
http://www.showrealhist.com/RD_RJShomes_PSav.html

A recent Dow day:
http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html

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The present thread is the successor to all of these three threads (Comments remain there):
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1218454
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1218698
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1218810

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    259   11:43am Thu 3 Jul 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Thursday, July 3, 2014 __ Level is 107.1

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Tuesday, July 8, 2014 __ Level is 106.0

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Thursday, July 10, 2014 __ Level is 106.1

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Monday, July 14, 2014 __ Level is 106.9

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Wednesday, July 16, 2014 __ Level is 107.4

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Thursday, July 17, 2014 __ Level is 106.4

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, July 18, 2014 __ Level is 107.2

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Monday, July 21, 2014 __ Level is 106.8

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Wednesday, July 23, 2014 __ Level is 107.0

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, July 25, 2014 __ Level is 106.2

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Wednesday, July 30, 2014 __ Level is 105.7

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Thursday, July 31, 2014 __ Level is 103.7

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, August 1, 2014 __ Level is 103.3

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    272   1:46pm Tue 5 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Tuesday, August 5, 2014 __ Level is 102.9

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    273   2:55pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Thursday, August 7, 2014 __ Level is 102.5

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    274   3:22pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    SAME as 14.5 years ago!
    Today’s Dow close of 16368.27 corresponds to a Real Dow of 102.5, see
    http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html
    This is significantly above the 100. average for the month of January 2000, but it is significantly below the 103.94 peak day on January 14, 2000. That’s a while, 14.5-plus years ago.

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    275   4:53pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    the graph is a joke. Are you telling me the GDP of USA has been growing only 1.6% per year for 100 years.

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    276   5:29pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    You misunderstand greatly, GDP is nowhere on the page!
    http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html
    As detailed here
    http://www.showrealhist.com/
    1.64%/yr is the average, inflation-adjusted growth of the Dow Jones Industrial Average over the 70.3 years, 9/1929 to 1/2000.
    When you inflation-adjust, the extreme timing dependence of the history is clear, with the evident likelihood of explanation by 'the coming & going of irrationality', see here.
    http://www.showrealhist.com/3warnsRD.html

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    277   5:39pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    ttsmyf says

    You misunderstand greatly, GDP is nowhere on the page!

    http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html

    do you even understand that dow HAS to track US GDP long term !?

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    278   5:55pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    This
    that dow HAS to track US GDP long term !
    is nonsense.
    The WSJ did Real Dow once

    And please enjoy Real Homes here
    http://www.showrealhist.com/RHandRD.html

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    279   5:57pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    ttsmyf says

    that dow HAS to track US GDP long term !

    is nonsense.

    WTF ? so what does dow represent if not US GDP ?
    Don't use pat net just to promote your site.

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    280   6:01pm Thu 7 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    More truth that is seldom shown, to fool the people (I like the term 'intellectual savagery' for the deceptions by omission.).
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928

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    281   2:50pm Fri 8 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, August 8, 2014 __ Level is 106.3

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    282   2:54pm Fri 8 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    "SAME as 14.5 years ago!"
    Yesterday's Comment # 274 applies today also.

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    283   3:06pm Mon 11 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Monday, August 11, 2014 __ Level is 103.7

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    284   4:13pm Sun 17 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, August 15, 2014 __ Level is 104.3

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    285   2:03pm Mon 18 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Monday, August 18, 2014 __ Level is 105.3

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Wednesday, August 20, 2014 __ Level is 106.4

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    287   1:52pm Fri 22 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, August 22, 2014 __ Level is 106.6

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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    288   6:53am Sun 24 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Don't you think this graph might have something to do with the Dow's rise?

    Certainly you don't think stock prices should stay the same as their profits rise exponentially, right?

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    289   12:21pm Sun 24 Aug 2014   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    tatupu,
    You are saying "Plot something else!". An always available argument.

    Look at 'mainline' histories that are kept unseen, to fool the people:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928
    Re. the first two charts, and the morality of hiding them -- Do you know folks who had kids in order to have someone to sell bubble-high to?

    I strongly suspect that "maintaining the lies" is the main foundation for USA's misfinance.

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    tatupu70 says

    Don't you think this graph might have something to do with the Dow's rise?

    Certainly you don't think stock prices should stay the same as their profits rise exponentially, right?

    tatupu70,
    Shortened your name, sorry.

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    ttsmyf says

    You are saying "Plot something else!". An always available argument.

    No--I'm saying that stock prices reflect a share of the companies' cash flow or retained earnings. As cash flow/earnings rise faster than inflation, so should stock prices. And clearly that's what has been happening over the last 20-30 years.

    So, why do you think stock prices should only rise with inflation??

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    So, why do you think stock prices should only rise with inflation??

    I do NOT so think!
    The prices are measured/counted in US dollars, whose consumer purchasing power has decreased a lot over time. SO, convert the price histories to 'constant dollars' to show 'real' price history over time. I got started by this rare WSJ chart:

    Up to date by me:
    http://www.showrealhist.com/

    Just as an example, inflation adjustment can be huge, and DOMINANT.
    9/1929 to 1/2000
    nominal Dow rose by a factor 31.
    but CPI-U rose by a factor 9.8
    so real Dow rose by a factor 3.2

    Numbers from here
    http://www.showrealhist.com/TABLEnum.html

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    tatupu70 says

    ttsmyf says

    You are saying "Plot something else!". An always available argument.

    No--I'm saying that stock prices reflect a share of the companies' cash flow or retained earnings. As cash flow/earnings rise faster than inflation, so should stock prices. And clearly that's what has been happening over the last 20-30 years.

    So, why do you think stock prices should only rise with inflation??

    I replied.

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    ttsmyf says

    I do NOT so think!

    The prices are measured/counted in US dollars, whose consumer purchasing power has decreased a lot over time. SO, convert the price histories to 'constant dollars' to show 'real' price history over time. I got started by this rare WSJ chart:

    Uh--that's the definition of inflation adjusted.

    So, if profits rise faster than inflation, so should stock prices.

    I'll ask again--you seem to think that stock chart shows that stocks are overpriced. Why?

    Or am I reading too much into your continual posts?

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    Reply to tatupu70
    We have three layers of deception.
    **First, NOT adjusting for inflation helps people to err in counting inflation as real gain. AND inflation is commonly bigger than true real gain! -- see my next to last preceding Comment.
    **Second, The true real price history is overwhelmingly timing-dependent, and people are severely fooled if this roller-coaster reality is unseen. Reality is

    http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html
    **Third, A glance at the real history raises immediately the hypothesis of serial mispricing -- VERY BAD ADVERTISING! Please note, and remember that the seven Board of Governor seats at the Fed have terms of 14 years:
    http://www.showrealhist.com/3warnsRD.html

    One last point. These kept-unseen histories have been of great interest for lots of decades.
    http://www.showrealhist.com/RHandRD.html
    One more last point! Lots of backstabbers.
    http://occupywallst.org/forum/higher-education-panders-to-intellectual-savagery/

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    ttsmyf says

    We have three layers of deception.

    **First, NOT adjusting for inflation helps people to err in counting inflation as real gain. AND inflation is commonly bigger than true real gain! -- see my next to last preceding Comment.

    **Second, The true real price history is overwhelmingly timing-dependent, and people are severely fooled if this roller-coaster reality is unseen. Reality is



    http://www.showrealhist.com/recDJIAtoRD.html

    **Third, A glance at the real history raises immediately the hypothesis of serial mispricing -- VERY BAD ADVERTISING! Please note, and remember that the seven Board of Governor seats at the Fed have terms of 14 years:

    http://www.showrealhist.com/3warnsRD.html

    OK--but do you agree or disagree that stocks should be rising faster than inflation if their profits are doing so?

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    IF IF IF
    Mispricing were zero
    yesterday
    today
    tomorrow

    then I probably would agree.

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    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

    Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

    And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
    Recent Dow day is Friday, August 29, 2014 __ Level is 107.1

    WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

    And up to date (by me) is here:
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

    WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

    And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
    http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

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