Tom Selleck and Charlie Chaplin are the most dangerous despots ever.


By Dan8267   Follow   Sat, 24 Nov 2012, 12:36am   2,293 views   0 comments
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Every time atheists show that history is full of examples of religion being used to justify evil and that Christian history in particular has no gaps between its acts of evil, the religious always try to point to Communism as the one and only example of atheists doing bad things.

Yes, I will concede that atheists can do evil. No crap. Statistically, they are far less likely. Furthermore, Stalin and Mao did not do evil because they are atheists, but rather because they are dictators. To argue that Stalin was evil because he was an atheist makes as much sense as arguing that Stalin and Hitler were evil because they both had mustaches. Gee, I guess Charlie Chaplin and Tom Selleck must also be evil bastards.


You can tell he's evil by the mustache.

However, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, the murder of Hypatia, the burning of homosexuals at the stake, the genocide of Native Americans, slavery, and countless other evils throughout history are directly and intrinsically motivated by religion. That's the difference.

Stalin was coincidentally an atheist and would have been a fucking asshole even if he were Christian. The motherfuckers in the Inquisition tortured people directly because of their religion. Totally different. To attempt to imply that Communism is evidence that atheism is bad is disingenuous. To attempt to imply that the Spanish Inquisition is evidence that religion is bad is not.

Yet, I'll have to listen to this false argument again and again forever because it's the only ammunition the religious have against atheism. Well, it's time to disarm this false argument once and for all.

Saying that atheism is bad because Stalin was an atheist and he was bad is a specific class of fallacy called Poisoning the Well which has the form:

1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.

Stalin was a dictator who lusted for power. That's why he was evil. He didn't kill people because of atheism or a desire to rid the world of religion. He killed people because he wanted to be a tyrant and people got in the way of that.

Furthermore, atheists do not follow Stalin, or praise him, or in any way agree with him. Ask any atheist what he thinks of Stalin, and he'll say Stalin was one of the worst people in history and the world is far better off without him.

But of course, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong were the only atheists in history who also happen to be megalomaniacal despots, so all trolls try to make them out to be the poster boys of atheism. When was the last time you heard an atheist praise the works of Stalin or Zedong? Oh wait, you never have.

In contrast, throughout history up to and including today, billions of religious people fervently support the evil advocated by religious leaders. Let's go over some examples.

In the middle east, tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Muslim men support the practice of honor killing rape victims. If a woman or girl is raped, her brothers or parents will murder her in order to wash away the dishonor of the sin she committed by being raped. That fucked up sense of morality is entirely due to religion.

Oh, but Islam is just a religion of violence claims the Christians, we're different. OK, let's look at Christianity in particular.

From its beginning, Christianity was a violent, imperialistic religion, not at all different from Islam. As soon as Christianity was a large enough force, it started destroying knowledge and murdering opposition.

In A.D. 415, Christians tortured and murdered Hypatia and destroyed the Library of Alexandria, one of the great wonders of the ancient world at the bequest of the Christian bishop Cyril who was made a saint for his actions.

The destruction of knowledge and the suppression of women to the point of killing them was common throughout Christian history. During the Dark and Middle Ages, women were drowned or burned if accused of witchcraft.

Pope John XII (955-964).was born from an incestuous relationship between Pope Sergio III and his 13-year-old daughter Marozie. John, in turn, took his mother as his own mistress.
Pope at 18, he turned the Lateran into a brothel. He was accused by a synod of "sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery and incest" and was temporarily deposed.
He took his revenge on opponents by hacking off limbs. He was murdered by an enraged husband who caught him having sex with his wife.

In 1095, Pope Urban II called upon the Franks to invade the more civilized Muslim world. Begins five centuries of warfare because of religion.

In the 1300s, the glowing eyes and nocturnal behavior of the cat interpreted by the Church as clear proof of diabolic affinity. Wholesale trapping and burning of cats allowed free rein to the spread of the flee-carrying rat. Subsequently, Europe's population was decimated by the plague.

When the plague came, Christians then falsely accused Jews of poisoning wells and proceeded to torture them to death. In 1411 Dominican Vincente Ferrer revived anti-Jewish hysteria in Spain calling Jews "cohorts of the Devil and Anti-Christ, clever, warped and doomed".

In 1415 John Huss of Bohemia, critic of papal corruption but guaranteed personal safety, burned at the stake. "When dealing with heretics, one is not obligated to keep his word." – Pope Gregory XII.

In 1415 Pope John XXIII was deposed. "The most scandalous charges were suppressed; the Vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, murder, rape, sodomy and incest."
– Gibbon (Decline & Fall)

In 1478 Pope Sixtus IV, in alliance with King Ferdinand of Spain, establishes the Spanish Inquisition. Jews, Moors and heretics will be imprisoned, tortured and murdered for centuries.
The bisexual Sixtus, though suffering from syphilis, fathers children from his elder sister.

In 1484 Pope Innocent VIII decrees that cats are unholy creatures, to be burned along with the witches that own them. Not so innocent after all.

In 1553 John Calvin, the "Protestant Pope" of Geneva proves his Christian credentials by having Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake for heresy. Servetus had opposed Trinitarianism and infant baptism.

In 1600 after a seven-year trial before the Inquisition, Giordano Bruno, who had the audacity to suggest that space was boundless and that the sun and its planets were not unique, is condemned and burned at the stake.

1618-1648 Central Europe devastated by Thirty Years' War between Catholics and Protestants.

From the 17th to the 19th century, Christians wholesale slaughter the Native Americans or pagan heathens as they were known. The Christian destroyed all Native American religions in the same way they destroyed the religions of antiquity, though brute force.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

- Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.

Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, Christian churches endorsed slavery, racism, and the subordination of women. During the civil war, American Christians proclaimed, and rightfully so, that both the Old and the New Testaments of the Bible supported and advocated slavery. Here are some quotes from both testaments that the American Christian slavers used to justify slavery.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

1834 The Spanish Inquisition finally ends. However, Church-sanctioned torture continues until 1917.

In 1844, the Protection of Children Act allows Church missionaries in Australia to kidnap aboriginal children.

In 1864 Pius IX issues the encyclical Quanta cura and the Syllabus of Errors. It condemns some 80 propositions derived from scientific method and rationalism. Liberalism and socialism are denounced.

In the 1930s/1940s Hitler, a Roman Catholic, is never excommunicated for causing the death of millions; whereas Martin Luther was excommunicated for criticism of the papal system.

In the 20th and 21st century, Christianity has been responsible for the spread of AIDS by condemning the use of condoms resulting in an epidemic in Africa, as well as discrimination against homosexuals and the murder of gay, lesbian, and transgender persons.

Preachers like Pastor Charles Worley call for the deaths of "queers and homosexuals" and rallies their flocks to hate. Tens of millions of Americans follow "conservative" preachers like this one. This is why Christians picket funerals with "God hate fags" signs and oppose gay marriage, something required by equality under law.

And all these things, from the ancient to today, are intrinsic to religion. The hatred of gays, the torturing of religious opponents, the destruction of knowledge, the suppression of women are all done specifically because the religion demands it. In contrast, Stalin's and Mao's evil was solely due to imperialistic greed, not atheism, and is not supported by atheists or even acknowledged as atheist philosophy.

So the fact that Stalin was an atheist is as relevant as the fact that he had a mustache. But when the pope persuades millions of Africans not to wear condoms or Charles Worley incites men to murder gays and lesbians, religion is at the very center of those actions.

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