First-time Buyers Out-Bid By WallStreet & BabyBoomers


By Mark D   Follow   Tue, 27 Nov 2012, 12:10pm   1,396 views   14 comments
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Mostly by Baby Boomers.

"In October, the share of buyers purchasing their first home dropped to 34.7%, the lowest point in at least three years, according to a survey of real estate agents. This compares with 37.1% in June and the 40% range it has historically hovered around.

In October, current homeowners made up 54.2% of non-distressed sales, a jump from 50% in June. And investors made up 12.2% of sales, higher than 11.3% during the same period. 
By contrast, first-time buyers fell behind. Their share of purchases fell to 33.6% from 38.7%."

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/11/27/first-time-homebuyers-housing-market/

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  1. FunTime


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    1   12:00pm Wed 28 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    This article suggests first-time buyers are new households. I think the big problem is or will be that even older households will decide that buying a house is out-of-reach. The interest rates on mortgages already signifies that buying a house is out-of-reach for most people whether they choose to take a humungous mortgage of many times their annual income or not.

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    2   1:24pm Wed 28 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    Without going into details of the article,from what I understand is,WallStreet & BabyBoomers will control the house prices and there will be no homes left for first time home buyers cuz they can't afford it. So,who the hell the WallStreet & BabyBoomers will sell their shacks to?

  3. Mark D


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    3   1:54pm Wed 28 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bubblesitter says

    Without going into details of the article,from what I understand is,WallStreet & BabyBoomers will control the house prices and there will be no homes left for first time home buyers cuz they can't afford it. So,who the hell the WallStreet & BabyBoomers will sell their shacks to?

    i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

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    4   1:59pm Wed 28 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Mark D says

    i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

    Yup.

    Last year the US government started to give out resident visas to foreigners that spent $500k or more on real estate purchases. We might see more incentives like that. There are more voting house owners out there than renters, so they will probably get what they want, regardless of whose expense it may be at.

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    5   8:20am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Where did you get that information from? Do you know how politically explosive it is to give residence permit in exchange for house purchase regardless of the purchase price? Can you back up your claim?

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    6   8:29am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    It's dead, Jim

    http://www.schumerleevisabill.com/

    It's was only a 3 year Visa, not permanent anyway. Regardless, it doesn't exist.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=residential+visa+purchase+home

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    7   10:53am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Thank god. I stand, happily, corrected.

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    8   11:00am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=facb83453d4a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=facb83453d4a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

    What Schumer was proposing is an extension of a Visa program that is already on the books.

    Job creation of ten full time workers can get you a green card.

    Now, any one, at any time can buy property in the United States, and that is exactly what is happening.

    Why not? Where would you want to put your money from China? or India, or Europe, or anywhere?

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    9   12:43pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    A tropical island.

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    10   3:08pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    David Losh says

    What Schumer was proposing is an extension of a Visa program that is already on the books.

    Job creation of ten full time workers can get you a green card.

    There are 10,000 E5's available per year. The number used per year has been between 600 and 4000 the last 10 years. Not a big deal.

    David Losh says

    Now, any one, at any time can buy property in the United States, and that is exactly what is happening.

    Why not? Where would you want to put your money from China? or India, or Europe, or anywhere?

    Foreign (private and institutional) purchases of real estate (residential and commercial) has run about 10% a year with very little variation for 15 years.

    Where are rich chinese buying real estate? http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/06/20/where-rich-chinese-are-buying-real-estate/ Forbes says Canada, the UK and Australia are topping list. Canadians actually buy more property in the US than Chinese. Chinese bought 9.3 billion last year out of 928 billion.

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    11   3:47pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Chinese are Canadians.
    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2011/05/11/may-8-2011-citizenship-for-investor-immigrants-jason-kenney-guarantees-fire-sale-price/

    The article you referenced is a year old, but it makes no difference, there is only a reason to declare the sale of a United States property through the Foriegn Investment in Real Property Act: http://www.irs.gov/irm/part4/irm_04-061-012.html

    Any one is allowed to buy property here for cash, as long as they pay taxes, and I don't see how that would be a stirring news item.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/25/business/la-fi-china-us-investing-20120825

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    12   4:31pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Mark D says

    i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

    Eventually, Boomers'll be dead or headed to managed care. At which point their children will sell the shacks for whatever they can get for 'em, because they'll be desperate to get at that money. You'll see another cycle before long.

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    13   8:12pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    David Losh says

    Chinese are Canadians.
    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2011/05/11/may-8-2011-citizenship-for-investor-immigrants-jason-kenney-guarantees-fire-sale-price/

    Wow, a whole 3223 last year. I think you can safely say that even if they all decided to buy property in the US it would have almost zero impact on the market.

    All the people waiting for "foreign investors" to save the market will be waiting a very, very long time.

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    14   8:55pm Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bob2356 says

    "foreign investors"

    No one is saying foriegn investors will save the day. It's just a fact of life that mechanisms are in place to encourage foriegn investment, and more will come.

    Most people with that kind of cash want to stay hidden. There would be very few foreigners who would come in plunk down $500K and ask for a Green Card. That kind of defeats the purpose.

    Most of these people are squireling away a very long term nest egg.

    Americans think in terms of years, some foreigners think in terms of generations.

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