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The Ponzi Scheme Driving China's Construction Economy

By Mish   Follow   Wed, 28 Nov 2012, 4:26pm   1,195 views   21 comments
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Indebted Dragon: The Ponzi Scheme Driving China's Construction Economy
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/11/indebted-dragon-ponzi-scheme-driving.html
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1. C Boy Follow Befriend 1 threads 208 comments Arlington, TX

   1   12:29pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   It's going to be a complete bloody mess when it finally crashes.

2. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 161 threads 1,543 comments Premium

   2   12:40pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   C Boy says It's going to be a complete bloody mess when it finally crashes. Will it crash? Can anybody oppose the official line in China ?? It may physically crash, but the communist party will still be maintaining that they have 8% growth.

3. C Boy Follow Befriend 1 threads 208 comments Arlington, TX

   3   1:46pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   lostand confused says C Boy says It's going to be a complete bloody mess when it finally crashes. Will it crash? Can anybody oppose the official line in China ?? It may physically crash, but the communist party will still be maintaining that they have 8% growth. What will they do with millions of unemployed men who can't find wives?

4. bmwman91 Follow Befriend (7) 37 threads 1,526 comments Mountain View, CA bmwman91's website Premium

   4   6:00pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Haaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

5. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 161 threads 1,543 comments Premium

   5   6:58pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   C Boy says What will they do with millions of unemployed men who can't find wives? Force them to construct even more ghost cities?

6. B.A.C.A.H. Follow Befriend (6) 5 threads 2,359 comments

   6   9:29pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Awh yes, Mish keeps on a keepin' on, calling b*llsh*t on what is "hot" or in "vogue" or "different here" or "different this time.

7. Thomas Chongruk Follow Befriend 2 comments Jewett City, CT

   7   11:54pm Thu 29 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   To start the crash, the government(s) need to initiate property taxes like we have in the USA (or parts thereof). Once that happens, they'll be never where to go but down.

8. bmwman91 Follow Befriend (7) 37 threads 1,526 comments Mountain View, CA bmwman91's website Premium

   8   12:40am Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   A crash there would probably drive throngs of crooked wealthy folks out of there and directly to here where resident visas are on sale for the low low price of $500k (spent on RE). No joke. Welcome to the receiving end of globalism, kiddies. It's going to be a lot less fun than the decades we spent on the giving end. SQUEEEEEEAL, BOY!

9. David Losh Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 1,126 comments Seattle, WA David Losh's website Premium

   9   9:20am Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   bmwman91 says A crash there would probably drive throngs of crooked wealthy folks out of there There are several factors to China, and it's banking system. They create money out of nothing, because they can. China has a Billion people. If each person spends a dollar that is a high velocity of money. What China is saying is that the average wage per worker is rising, and as it rises so does inflation. More dollars go to workers, and more dollars go into buying goods, and services. The fastest, and easiest way to create these good paying jobs outside of the financial sectors of international trade, research, or manufacturing is construction. So, as much as this may be a Ponzi Scheme it is also a wage base. If construction stops, or slows, millions of workers will be out of a job. No wages, no growth. There will be riots in the streets until communism settles back in. http://www.clb.org.hk/en/node/100206

10. Mark D Follow Befriend 63 threads 480 comments Simi Valley, CA

    10   9:18pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   why are Americans worrying about the "indebted Dragon" when their national debt is 43% of GDP with a huge trade surplus and U.S debt is 100% of GDP with a gigantic trade deficit?

11. Mark D Follow Befriend 63 threads 480 comments Simi Valley, CA

    11   9:20pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   C Boy says It's going to be a complete bloody mess when it finally crashes. maybe. but the U.S will crash first, that's for sure. and it will be the biggest mess ever.

12. Mark D Follow Befriend 63 threads 480 comments Simi Valley, CA

    12   9:23pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   C Boy says lostand confused says C Boy says It's going to be a complete bloody mess when it finally crashes. Will it crash? Can anybody oppose the official line in China ?? It may physically crash, but the communist party will still be maintaining that they have 8% growth. What will they do with millions of unemployed men who can't find wives? half of U.S households are of unmarried people, the divorce rate is at 50% and the population is much older than that of China. the White race is shrinking fast. lets focus on those.

13. everything Follow Befriend (2) 3 threads 546 comments Madison, WI

    13   10:17pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I've had the opportunity to meet some Chinese college students who come here to study, and many come. Oh how do I love talking with them as they are all very intelligent, always earning MD or PHD. Some are very humble, very happy to be here, certainly many appreciate the opportunity they know many their age from their own country may never have. Still others are very proud, nationalistic and look upon our society somewhat disdainfully. It is also very interesting to know what they study, I ask them, and few of the students have any desire to remain in the U.S. either. China is still on top of it's game. Excess housing means no shortage of housing for a fast growing middle class. Excess also means less chance of a bubble in house prices, which was starting to happen, and they put a crimp on it. They learned to grow the middle class from us, it provides a good tax base, economic base, and political stability. See, China invests in it's people, sure they are still corrupt, who isn't, what country isn't? Fear keeps people in line, even divorce is shunned, that means pick your mate wisely and carefully the first time around. Where here in the U.S., the stupidity of feminist power domination, rewarded and championed, marriage is becoming somewhat of a joke. The central government is also stacking gold 500-800 tons just this year, they saw how the dollar rose to be so great by being backed by gold initially and see that for what it is/was. Chinese understand that he who dies with the most toys wins, they are already branching out from the homeland buying properties and companies all over the world. The neural network of intelligence I see coming out of China is to me pretty impressive. I have to agree with others, yeah it sure is fun to bad mouth China but what do you expect from a nation of hypocrites.

14. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,185 threads 6,156 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

    14   10:22pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   I have a Chinese friend who claims that China was historically always the most advanced country, and the last couple hundred years are just a blip that will be corrected soon.

15. Peter P Follow Befriend (4) 117 threads 17,655 comments Premium

    15   11:12pm Fri 30 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   I have a bad feeling about this. People are liabilities and China has a lot of them.

16. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 170 threads 4,173 comments Premium

    16   3:35am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   You know all those Chinese characters on the walls of Chinese restaurants? If you read them all clockwise from the front door of the restaurant, they say, 'On the signal, knife all the white people.'

17. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 161 threads 1,543 comments Premium

    17   3:39am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Kung-Fu expert beats up mob of 50 trying to evict him in China. http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-30/kung-fu-expert-china-beats-mob-50-trying-evict-him

18. Mark D Follow Befriend 63 threads 480 comments Simi Valley, CA

    18   4:21am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   lostand confused says Kung-Fu expert beats up mob of 50 trying to evict him in China. http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-30/kung-fu-expert-china-beats-mob-50-trying-evict-him i recommend watching something with real substance:

19. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 161 threads 1,543 comments Premium

    19   6:30am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Mark D says i recommend watching something with real substance: The way the common man is treated, is of no substance to you?? Figures.

20. Mark D Follow Befriend 63 threads 480 comments Simi Valley, CA

    20   6:56am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   lostand confused says Mark D says i recommend watching something with real substance: The way the common man is treated, is of no substance to you?? Figures. talking to you is like talking to a wall. you are absolutely clueless in almost every topic you ever participated. although, can't really say i expected much from you.

21. lostand confused Follow Befriend (9) 161 threads 1,543 comments Premium

    21   8:11am Sat 1 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Mark D says talking to you is like talking to a wall. you are absolutely clueless in almost every topic you ever participated. although, can't really say i expected much from you. My, my getting touchy are we -typical. Have no substance , let the insults fly. LOL!!!!