In Obama's world, work is for suckers


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............"Your tax hike is spent before it’s even collected. Congratulations...suckers."

Your Natural Truth for today:

For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.
110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.
How is this possible? How can four American workers be paying THREE people either through welfare or a government job?

It’s simple: Debt. Your taxes plus $1.1 trillion in borrowed money this year will write those checks. And as long as the spending stays this high—about 25 percent of every dollar generated by the American economy being spent by Washington—talk of tax hikes is meaningless.

Obama’s tax hikes will, according to the White House, generate maybe $80 billion a year. Obama’s deficit IN OCTOBER ALONE was $120 billion. And President Obama has no serious plans for real spending cuts.

What happens the day after you cave and give the Obama White House a tax hike? All of these government workers go back to work—soon (according to President Obama) to be joined by more government workers. All the folks on welfare stay on welfare. No plans for economic growth and job creation.

Your tax hike is spent before it’s even collected. Congratulations...suckers.

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  1. Peter P


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    Yes. Public-private partnerships can be worse.

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    Bellingham Bill says

    The BIGGEST blind spot in this discussion is the mass ignorance that these billions -- trillions actually -- being "hoarded" are actually being invested in rent-taps on the 99%.

    They are only rent taps until the customers are all broke. Then they are shut down and boarded up.

    We're getting there now as my cross country trip to the Northeast last summer revealed in glorious detail. Detroit is a magnificent example.

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    iwog says

    They are only rent taps until the customers are all broke.

    that's when they turn on the presses.

    it does feel like the present system is evolving like the Soviet Union's did, да?

    too much bullshit, top to bottom, left to right.

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    Whenever you exert too much governance, you get bullshit like that. Be it USSR or USA.

    We ought to be systemically natural and individually willful.

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    Peter P says

    We ought to be systemically natural and individually willful.

    Great, then you get feudalism.

    The absence of government isn't freedom, it's slavery.

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    iwog says

    Great, then you get feudalism.

    The absence of government isn't freedom, it's slavery.

    I am not against the idea of a government. But I feel that a government should protect individuals instead of turning them into parts of the collective.

    Some form of Darwinism must be present in any dynamic system or it will be unable to rid itself of failures.

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    iwog says

    They need to increase on people making over $250,000 because 20-25% is a joke.

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    And you naturally tax the shit out of those small business owners who happen to net over $250K through their business, yet quite often take home less than 80K when all business expenses have been taken care of. Because that's what we need to do to these 'rich guys' when we need jobs to spur the economy. You know, tax the shit out of the group that creates the most jobs.....I'm not talking CEOs of big corporations, lawyers, or even your layabout labor union thug rep. I'm talking about folks who run a small business, sacrificing their lives, time and their own $$ that run businesses of 100 people or less. But guess what? In addition to taxing the shit out of these guys, they aren't gonna hire any more people, or if anything, lay more off, and convert those to part-time that are lucky to still have jobs. Obama's wall O' Regulations, and Obamacare will ensure this end result. So pat yerself on the back. Good job liberals!

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    AverageBear says

    And you naturally tax the shit out of those small business owners who happen to net over $250K through their business, yet quite often take home less than 80K when all business expenses have been taken care of.

    Business expenses? I thought they were above the line write-offs.

    Nevertheless, 20-25% is a joke. Tax rate should not be higher than 15%.

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    Melmakian says

    iwog says

    Whatever flaws the Democrats have, they are not actively trying to put all the money in the hands of the aristocracy like Republicans are doing.
    Hahahahahahahhaha....Fannie and Freddie have done quite a bit to get the most Americans into debtslavery for the 'moneyed aristocracy' than any other program. And who was one of their main backers in the Senate (and one of the top recipients of their contributions)? Why...it was none other than Sen. Barack Hussein Obama, that's who.

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    And we can't forget that lovable, snuggly rep from Mass. (Franken-Barney) who told Bush that Fannie Mae was totally solvent, and was actually annoyed that Bush and the GOP brought this up back in '06 (IIRC). The arrogance of the idiot. however, I still blame both parties for the housing bubble, in the fallacy that everyone's 'entitled' to a home..... Funny how that word "entitle" causes so many problems. Hmmmmm...

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    iwog says

    and Republican free market court decisions by a Republican Supreme Court.

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    Oh, you mean the same 'republican' Supreme Court that upheld Obamacare? HAHA....oh, that's a good one.

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    AverageBear says

    Oh, you mean the same 'republican' Supreme Court that upheld Obamacare? HAHA....oh, that's a good one.

    It's not relevant to the current economy since Obamacare has had a miniscule effect so far.

    In fact you can trace the recovery directly on to the ramping up of Obamacare. Did you want to make that connection or did you want to simply admit the country has functioned almost entirely under Republican rules up to this point? Certainly in the time frame you were talking about.

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    tatupu70 says

    AverageBear says

    Finally, if you care to respond, don't bore me w/ the whiney "oooh, the 1% have all the money" bullshit. It's a very tired, stale argument.
    Is that how it works now? You can dismiss facts that you don't like because they are tired and stale?
    OK--the US debt argument is tired and stale. Don't bore me with that BS anymore.

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    yes, Tatupu, that's how it works. Why? Because this thread is about the illogical requests from Obama to avoid the fiscal cliff, and how his 'balanced' approach to the spending problem, doesn't address the spending, but piles on more debt. I dismiss the tired 1% argument because it doesn't apply to this thread. Go start a 1%'er thread and I'll be happy to stick to the topic, unlike you.

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    Obamacare does not go far enough.

    Government-provided healthcare needs to be an option for everyone. Healthcare is the last place you want for public-private collusion.

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    iwog says

    What you call crap, most people in America and indeed the world consider a minimum level of human decency. A Republican who attempts to eliminate food stamps or unemployment insurance or Medicare is out of a job.

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    Can you find my ANY link where the GOP want to eliminate food stamps? or Eliminate unemployment insurance? or eliminate Medicare?

    What's with you? Are you not reading my comments? I'm talking about reform and reduction, not elimination. I know you are used to putting words in my mouth, but I couldn't pass this up.

    Clinton was able to reform welfare. Why can't Obama? Why can't Democrats nowadays think logically and admit "yes, there are many in the welfare system that are scamming. Let's stop pissing away tax dollars on these lazy cheats, and keep the ones that need it". But we can't. Because then "those on the dole" will less likely vote Democrat.... I wish for the days of the fiscally conservative democrat (in the Senate...not the handful of 'blue-dog' dems reps), but today we have none.

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    Clinton was awesome.

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    iwog says

    That's funny because most people simply call it a successful and prosperous nation like Canada or Germany. Sure there are counter examples, but to say a semi-socialist government is the "downfall of humanity" is nuts.

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    That sure is funny, because these counties are 'apples to oranges'. Why are WAAAAAAAY more people flocking to the US, instead of Canada? Because there is genuinely more opportunity for those willing to work hard. And even more people ready to get free shit. Unfortunately, over 52% that land here go on the dole immediately. Why can't we hold the same standards of our ancestors who came here over the last 2 centuries, to the same standards today? Why do liberals find this offensive?

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    iwog says

    A Republican who attempts to eliminate food stamps or unemployment insurance or Medicare is out of a job.

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    I think Obama is waay ahead of the GOP in eliminating Medicare. You do know he raped Medicare of $716 BILLION this year before the election. You do know this happened, right?

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    AverageBear says

    You do know he raped Medicare of $716 BILLION this year before the election. You do know this happened, right?

    Nope, he "raped" Medicare Part C, the idiot Republican addition to Medicare from the 1990s.

    Next on the block is Medicare Part D, the idiot Republican addition to Medicare from the previous decade.

    It's really amazing how much damage your idiot Republican congress did to this nation, 1995-2006. They didn't leave a stone unturned in their search for how to destroy this country.

    Mission Accomplished!

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    Peter P says

    Clinton was awesome.

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    You know, even though I voted against him, Clinton was WAAAAAAY better than the current clown we have for president. He genuinely brought the country together. Yet he didn't promise this. Obama on the other hand did promise this, and has severed the country like I've never seen before. We can't even get a budget passed since he got elected.

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    Clinton was more conservative than many Republicans.

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    AverageBear says

    Because this thread is about the illogical requests from Obama to avoid the fiscal cliff, and how his 'balanced' approach to the spending problem, doesn't address the spending, but piles on more debt.

    Oh, my mistake. When I read this:

    AverageBear says

    For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
    For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.
    110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.
    How is this possible? How can four American workers be paying THREE people either through welfare or a government job?

    I thought you were discussing why the debt is so high and how we can reduce it. The wealth disparity is one of the core issues that has led to the deficit. Until we fix it, the economy will continue to underperform and tax receipts will be low.

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    tatupu70 says

    The wealth disparity is one of the core issues that has led to the deficit. Until we fix it, the economy will continue to underperform and tax receipts will be low.

    Again, wealth disparity is not an issue. It is somewhat desirable.

    The only way wealth disparity can lead to the deficit is a misguided attempt to fight it.

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    Peter P says

    Again, wealth disparity is not an issue. It is somewhat desirable.
    The only way wealth disparity can lead to the deficit is a misguided attempt to fight it.

    Nope. When 1% of the people have 30% of the wealth, it should be pretty simple to see that there isn't enough left for the other 99%. And that lots of those people will be on welfare/food stamps.

    It's a lose/lose situation. Less tax revenues and more welfare spending. Surely you can see how that would increase the deficit.

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    tatupu70 says

    Nope. When 1% of the people have 30% of the wealth, it should be pretty simple to see that there isn't enough left for the other 99%. And that lots of those people will be on welfare/food stamps.

    Of course not. If the top 1% own any less we have a problem. Most people do not own anything and they are not entitled to owning anything.

    When the richest family owns 1% of the GDP then we may have a wealth gap.

    Just require welfare recipients to work and perhaps we will see a difference. With 99-week unemployment, who will want to work?

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    Peter P says

    Again, wealth disparity is not an issue. It is somewhat desirable.

    I can't believe you think this is true when every example from the Great Depression to Mexico to revolutionary France to a game of Monopoly screams you are wrong.

    1. It's a zero sum game
    2. Someone getting rich necessitates that someone else give up wealth.
    3. The more wealth hoarded by the top 1%, the less wealth is in the hands of the 99%.
    4. The 99% are the ones who go shopping and drive investment and production.

    This isn't complicated.

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    Peter P says

    Most people do not own anything and they are not entitled to owning anything.

    What the fuck?

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    A lot of people have zero or negative net worth. This does not prevent them from living.

    They will just work to live.

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    iwog says

    1. It's a zero sum game
    2. Someone getting rich necessitates that someone else give up wealth.
    3. The more wealth hoarded by the top 1%, the less wealth is in the hands of the 99%.
    4. The 99% are the ones who go shopping and drive investment and production.

    I understand. But wealth is not the same as income. Very few people live off wealth. Most live off income. Taxing income will not change that. There are always ways to grow wealth tax-free.

    Ever wonder why even the democrats only talk about taxing income? Because the very rich do not want competitions at the top. High tax rates stops people from trying.

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    And sadly investment is now driven by excess liquidity.

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    Peter P says

    Taxing income will not change that.

    Sure it will, it just takes a long time. It took 30 years to get us here and it's going to take at least half that long to get back to traditional 1st world weath distribution levels.

    Peter P says

    And sadly investment is now driven by excess liquidity.

    Absolutely false. We have more liquidity now than any time in history. There is SO much excess cash floating around the world that people are willing to accept nearly 0% interest on their money just to keep it safe.

    Yet the investment climate sucks and is only recovering slowly. When you see interest rates rise, THEN you will know money is starting to be used for investment again.

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    iwog says

    Absolutely false. We have more liquidity now than any time in history. There is SO much excess cash floating around the world that people are willing to accept nearly 0% interest on their money just to keep it safe.

    Do not confuse liquidity with cash. Investment can be driven by either or both.

    iwog says

    Sure it will, it just takes a long time. It took 30 years to get us here and it's going to take at least half that long to get back to traditional 1st world weath distribution levels.

    I think all those "1st world" countries are now on decline because they are focusing on the wrong things.

    When $1B companies can be created in months, who cares about wealth distribution? Anyone can be anything nowadays. We do not need the government to enforce mediocrity.

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    iwog says

    What the fuck?

    Yeah, most libertarian types ignore the Lockean Proviso pretty hard.

    http://www.politicalphilosophy.info/lockeanproviso.html

    Deadletter to them -- they much prefer got mine, fuck you basically.

    these are very defective people.

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    Lockean Proviso is quite laughable.

    Come on.

    Greed is good, as long as you are greedy for something beautiful.

    Quite the contrary, we are very supportive other people's greed. They should go get it. Just don't cry and insist that you are entitled to it.

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    Peter P says

    Greed is good, as long as you are greedy for something beautiful.

    Quite the contrary, we are very supportive other people's greed. They should go get it. Just don't cry and insist that you are entitled to it.

    Peter,

    You are watching too much TV. TV and Internet should not be your whole world.

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    Nothing to do with TV. But when Gordon Gekko made a speech that resonated so well you tend to have it burned in your head.

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    OBAMA's AUNTIE ZEITUNI THINKS YOU ARE A SUCKER TOO!!

    http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20100204obamas_auntie_still_freeloading

    I'd love to be treated like an illegal alien here in Massachusetts. I'd be much better off......

    This is what happens when one party rules a state. And this particular state is run by democrats....

    ......"Aunt Zeituni donated $260 to her nephew’s campaign for president - which is also against the law because she’s not a U.S. citizen. How against the law is it? Remember when the president launched his unprecedented attack against the Supreme Court during his State of the Union? His complaint was that foreigners might donate money to influence U.S. elections.

    All these crimes extend from the first crime - violating our immigration laws. It is simply impossible to stay in this country illegally without committing other crimes, like tax fraud and identity theft.

    But it’s not the illegal stuff that Aunt Zeituni’s doing that’s so outrageous. It’s what she’s apparently able to do legally and openly.

    She is shamelessly - and happily - living in taxpayer-subsidized housing intended for citizens and legal immigrants. Is there some poor American veteran living in a shelter because she’s got this apartment? Aunt Zeituni doesn’t care - why should she? Menino and the Boston Housing Authority don’t.

    And now she’s back in court, using taxpayer resources with another bogus bid for asylum. She says she can’t go back to Kenya because of “political turmoil.” Sorry lady, but if that’s the basis for an appeal, nobody would have been allowed back in the White House since Scott Brown’s election.

    Aunt Zeituni’s case puts the lie to the old canard that all criminal immigrants are here to work. She gets a stipend from a city program, along with her housing. In fact, as the Center for Immigration Studies points out, illegal immigrant households are far more likely to be on the dole than the average American. She also highlights the obvious truth of the Heritage Foundation study that our 12 million illegal immigrants are a $2.2 trillion net drain on the taxpayers over the course of their lifetimes."

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    AverageBear says

    OBAMA's AUNTIE ZEITUNI THINKS YOU ARE A SUCKER TOO!!

    But I thought:

    AverageBear says

    Because this thread is about the illogical requests from Obama to avoid the fiscal cliff, and how his 'balanced' approach to the spending problem, doesn't address the spending, but piles on more debt.

    How does Aunt Zeituni factor in to that again?

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    tatupu70 says

    AverageBear says

    OBAMA's AUNTIE ZEITUNI THINKS YOU ARE A SUCKER TOO!!
    But I thought:
    AverageBear says

    Because this thread is about the illogical requests from Obama to avoid the fiscal cliff, and how his 'balanced' approach to the spending problem, doesn't address the spending, but piles on more debt.
    How does Aunt Zeituni factor in to that again?

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    Because obama's aunti Zeituni is an illegal alien who's been living off of tax payers for a LOOONG time, and doesn't work. See the title of this thread for some guidance.

    - She's definitely in "Obama's world"; in fact, she's in Obama's Family (HAHAHAHAAA).

    - She doesn't work, hasn't worked for years, and has no plans to work.

    - And the quotes/remarks/comments of this arrogant asshole DEFINITELY tells me she thinks we workers are suckers. I can give you more quotes/links on this little peach of a woman if you want...

    It dovetails into the spending problem that's caused the fiscal cliff. A spending problem that Obama wants to address by ........SPENDING MORE. Got it?

    Oh, and if we do decide to go 'off topic', I'd be happy to tell everyone here in Patrick.Net-Land about Obama's Uncle living illegally here in Framingham. You know all about Uncle Omar, don't you? Nabbed for driving drunk? But I digress. Maybe I'll consider a new thread that addresses the massive drain of tax dollars here in Massachusetts that goes to illegal aliens, that should be going to LEGAL aliens, and you know, actual citizens of this fine commonwealth...

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    AverageBear says

    It dovetails into the spending problem that's caused the fiscal cliff. A spending problem that Obama wants to address by ........SPENDING MORE. Got it?

    Sorry--I was just messing with you. But, that's not really true. Obama wants more revenues and spending cuts both. That's where the "balanced approach" comes from. And yes, he does advocate some increased one time only spending. The economy is still weak and, more than anything, we need to create jobs. If you get people working a lot of the defict problem goes away.

    Unfortunately, I'm skeptical that the economy can create the jobs if income/wealth disparity remain at their current levels.

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    tatupu70 says

    Sorry--I was just messing with you. But, that's not really true. Obama wants more revenues and spending cuts both. That's where the "balanced approach" comes from. And yes, he does advocate some increased one time only spending. The economy is still weak and, more than anything, we need to create jobs. If you get people working a lot of the defict problem goes away.

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    No worries. I do understand that the feds do need to spend something to keep the economy afloat, but I think where he's put that $$ in that past was misguided ($90 Billion in Green jobs that hasn't created any jobs)...I'm at least glad that the spending problem is Front and Center in the media's eye. Although their message usually gets warped in the delivery, I'm glad people are at least talking about it....I'm actually fine w/ us 'going over the cliff'.... spending cuts, tax hikes and all....I think many (myself included) get carried away on the 'what if's'.... If this isn't resolved, I'm inclined to think it we'll be affected like Y2K....

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