Hospital chain allegedly admitted patients fraudulently to make more $$$


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For more than a year, we have been looking into the admission and billing practices of Health Management Associates. It's the fourth largest for-profit hospital chain in the country with revenues of $5.8 billion last year, nearly half of that coming from Medicare and Medicaid programs. We talked to more than 100 current and former employees and we heard a similar story over and over: that HMA relentlessly pressured its doctors to admit more and more patients -- regardless of medical need -- in order to increase revenues.

Health Management Associates owns 70 hospitals in 15 states. It's thrived buying small, struggling hospitals in non-urban areas, turning them into profit centers by filling empty beds. Generally speaking, the more patients a hospital admits, the more money it can make, a business strategy that HMA has aggressively pursued.

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    Shocking. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd pull organs out of the indigent patients with garden tools without anesthesia and sell them on the black market.

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    Only 10 percent? I would guess minimum of 30 percent.

    Hospital sets up paper mill applying for reimbursement, discovers that paper can be submitted on thinnest of pretenses, notes that auditing is infrequent and sketchy, finds ways to submit paper most profitably. Patients become vehicles for submitting paper.

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    APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

    If they thought they could get away with it....

    According to a previous report:

    With 114 hospitals and $14 billion in yearly revenue, Tenet Health Systems is this country's second largest healthcare company.

    It is also one of the most profitable, having built much of its business on critical care centers which specialize in expensive high-risk procedures, such as heart surgery... Tenet is now facing allegations that it made some of its profits from overbilling, false diagnoses, and - in at least one hospital - major surgery performed on patients who don't need it

    One of Tenet's most profitable hospitals is Redding Medical Center, located in the shadow of Mount Shasta in Redding, Calif., a quiet town surrounded by farmland.

    Since 1989, much of that profit has been generated by the hospital's director of cardiology, Dr. Chae Hyun Moon, who has performed more than 30,000 angiograms and ultrasounds - procedures in which a tube is threaded through a patient's heart to look for clogged arteries.

    Based on those tests, he has sent thousands of patients for coronary bypass operations.
    ***
    "When they are running ads for this person, when they have documented charges by people who have called his practice to their attention, time and time again, when their own nurses were complaining, when other physicians were complaining, it is pretty hard for somebody to say, 'Gee, I didn't know,'" says Rep. Pete Stark, a 30-year veteran on health care issues.

    The California Democrat has followed Tenet since 1994, when the company paid an unprecedented $379 million to settle fraud claims brought by 28 states and the federal government. Tenet also pled guilty to charges of criminal conspiracy and giving illegal kickbacks to physicians.

    "You have people who are willing to break the law and have a record of doing that. These guys are the poster children for unethical business practices," says Stark.

    AF I always enjoy your apocalyptic hyperbole, but in this instance reality is worse.

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    This guy is alleged to have bilked 30 million dollars from Medicare.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-arrest-man-for-30-million-medicare-fraud-scheme

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    lostand confused says

    This guy is alleged to have bilked 30 million dollars from Medicare.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-arrest-man-for-30-million-medicare-fraud-scheme

    ..."Hours later Zafar Mehmood, 45, made his initial appearance in federal court to hear charges made in a newly-unsealed complaint. In deference to argument by US Attorneys that Mehmood is a flight risk, a magistrate ordered him held for the time being."

    Ah, a nice American patriot!! Rape Medicare and when caught, try to head back to your home country...

    This crap with Medicare getting bilked by foreigners has been going on forever. Medicare STILL hasn't wised up to it yet... they are the most fucked up system being run by the government...

    ...just wait till the government starts handling YOUR healthcare...

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    lostand confused says

    This guy is alleged to have bilked 30 million dollars from Medicare.

    $30 million is a drop in the bucket:

    Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime

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    And, no thread on "60 Minutes" medical reporting would be complete without this report showing whole categories of drugs (SSRIs) and surgeries (knee) to be no better than placebo:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57380893/treating-depression-is-there-a-placebo-effect/

    This is part of why I conclude that most American medical spending consists of waste, fraud, and abuse.

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    Lest anyone accuse me of picking on hospital corporations (two of America's four largest cited above), while ignoring one of the other elephants in the room, I'll add a bit about PhRMA. Consider as a starting example Vytorin, widely advertised on TV; in clinical studies, "Vytorin failed to show much effect."

    As is typical for drug trials that show failure, publication was delayed for years compared to trials that show "success", leaving the drugs on the market to make money, inflict side effects, and confer no benefit:

    Newsweek: "Why Almost Everything You Hear About Medicine Is Wrong"

    The literature imbalance can also result from the use of "rescue countries," i.e. if trials in America show a drug doesn't work, PhRMA can throw cash at doctors in dirt-poor "rescue countries" to produce "studies" showing "success":

    Vanity Fair: "Deadly Medicine"

    While much or most of current American medical spending consists of waste, fraud, and abuse, ObamaCare is projected to increase spending even further. It all adds up to what I hope might become a page in @Patrick's next book, The Medical Trap.

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    It is possible that spending will decrease, considering that grants to corporations for providing care to non-funded patients will eventually become unnecessary. Corporations won't be able to write off the free care on their taxes...

    ...of course, they'll find other ways to scam us all. I love this country!

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    elliemae says

    providing care to non-funded patients will eventually become unnecessary

    LOL - In California, Obamacare is "threatening the financial stability of the state's safety net" because federal subsidies for illegal aliens will be diverted from public hospitals to insurance companies. Of course, the aliens are exempt from the mandatory insurance (they aren't even eligible if they want to pay for the insurance), and EMTALA will continue in effect so any remaining emergency departments will continue to be required to serve non-funded patients. So, existing emergency departments are closing and corporations are building new hospitals with no emergency departments at all. Letting injured emergency patients bleed to death may save $, but the savings will be more than offset by increased payments for toxic pills advertised on TV; federal projections show that ObamaCare will increase spending even above prior law, just as the lobbyists intended.

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    Two of today's headlines reminded me of the earlier reports in this thread.

    The first is a report published in JAMA:

    "When a privately insured patient experiences one or more complications -- such as blood clots, stroke, infection, septic shock, pneumonia or cardiac arrest -- hospitals' profit margins are 330% higher compared to a patient with no complications, the report found. For Medicare patients with complications, hospitals' profit margins are 190% higher, according to the report, which was published in The Journal of the American Medical Association."

    The second is a federal investigation:

    "At least two doctors at a Chicago hospital endangered patients by intentionally over-sedating them and performing unnecessary tracheotomies in a bid to boost profits, a graphic and wide-ranging complaint released by federal prosecutors Tuesday alleges.

    The document doesn't directly say patients at Sacred Heart Hospital died as a result of the procedures that involve cutting a hole into someone's windpipe, but it notes mortality rates from one of the doctor's tracheotomies were far higher than average.

    The investigation of the hospital dating back to 2011 led to arrests on Tuesday of the hospital's owner, Edward Novak, 58, of Park Ridge, as well as another executive and four doctors in an alleged conspiracy to exchange kickbacks for referral of patients insured by Medicare and Medicaid. The arrested doctors allegedly received kickbacks from the hospital totaling more than $225,000, the 90-page complaint said."

    Guess who's looking forward to Obamacare, with "no lifetime caps!"

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    Get paid to decapitate patients and spend millions tacking the heads back on!

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    In addition, "A California hospital chain has boosted its profits by transferring an unusually high number of patients from its emergency rooms to its hospital beds, gaining hundreds of millions of dollars by targeting people with Medicare, a California Watch investigation has found." (You can read more about that particular hospital chain, one of America's largest, from California Watch.)

    Hospital corporations aren't alone in looking forward to Obamacare though: "California health insurers are proposing double-digit rate increases for hundreds of thousands of policyholders, drawing criticism that health insurers are padding their profits as the nation prepares to carry out the federal health care law."

    BTW, @Bob2356, I'm sorry for putting you on Ignore, I was busy with tax forms and didn't have time for your distractions. I imagine you'll want to chime in on this thread with your usual refuted claims about all of this being "defensive medicine" and the solution being "tort reform" (i.e. making sure these hospitals and doctors shouldn't have to pay back any of the $$$ they overcharge for all these unnecessary injuries and/or deaths). Also, I updated my reply to your comment on a different thread, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to respond. I do want to clarify though, by apologizing for ignoring you and giving you a chance to respond if you choose, I'm only trying to be fair. I don't share your T. Gondii-induced impulses to drive sideways at 80mph and surf with sharks and troll for fights all over the World Wide Web, but I do believe in giving people an opportunity to speak for themselves, or "enough rope" in other words, rather than ignoring them or whispering things about them behind their backs. Choosing ignorance says more about the person who chooses it than whatever they choose to ignore, so I'm sorry for briefly ignoring you. I can't promise to respond to all your comments though; if you wonder why, check my recent comment where I went out of my way to be nice and found an official link correcting your error about Medicare as gently as possible, and the thanks I got was only more sarcasm and rhetorical questions, no appreciation and not even an admission that you were obviously clearly wrong.

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    I see fraud all the time. Drives me fucking batshit crazy.

    Home health companies who give kickbacks in order to get referrals for patients who don't need (or qualify for) the care.

    Hospice patients who are signed onto service because they're referred, even though they're not dying.

    Nursing homes that force patients into therapies they don't want - or need - in order to bill at a higher rate. patients who are rehabbed to death ( forced into rehab even while they're dying...)

    Unnecessary equipment ordered for patients.

    Ad nauseum.

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    BTW, just in case anyone remained unaware of drug companies paying doctors to prescribe profitably, here is yet another article on that: "US sues Novartis in NY again, cites doc kickbacks"

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    Is there a drug I can take to stop worrying about all these drugs people are taking?

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    Ceffer says

    Is there a drug I can take to stop worrying about all these drugs people are taking?

    IGNORITAL(TM) (disregardis onpurposis), "As Seen on TV." Homefool swears by it.

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    curious2 says

    apocalyptic hyperbole

    Hyperbole?

    What?

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    APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

    curious2 says

    apocalyptic hyperbole

    Hyperbole?

    What?

    Sorry - living in the SFBA fortress, I hadn't realized the cannibal anarchy was already upon us. Now I know, the cannibals are literally drugging pregnant women and cutting babies out of wombs in a grotesque feast of mammon, leaving these women scarred for life and overbilling every mandatory insurance customer and taxpayer for it all. Laughing in greed, with blood dripping from their teeth and sinews and umbilical cords hanging from their mouths, they snarl their appreciation for the mandatory insurance that enables them to disguise the hideous cost as a "benefit." (And yes, the feast had begun even before Obamacare; the legislation merely aggravates a pre-existing condition, force-feeding a glutton who was already morbidly obese.)

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    Hospital went bankrupt in 2008 and was acquired by Prime Healthcare Associates. Later on they were upcoding malnutrition to kwashiorkor. 16.1% on medicare were diagnosed as having kwashiorkor, compared with 0.2% rate for the rest of California hospitals. Stories like that are the reason why Kamala Harris has basically prevented Prime Healthcare from acquiring more hospitals in California.....Reddy has friends on both sides of the aisle in California and now, I doubt the kwashiorkor rate is so high in Redding.

    curious2 says

    According to a previous report:

    With 114 hospitals and $14 billion in yearly revenue, Tenet Health Systems is this country's second largest healthcare company.

    It is also one of the most profitable, having built much of its business on critical care centers which specialize in expensive high-risk procedures, such as heart surgery... Tenet is now facing allegations that it made some of its profits from overbilling, false diagnoses, and - in at least one hospital - major surgery performed on patients who don't need it

    One of Tenet's most profitable hospitals is Redding Medical Center, located in the shadow of Mount Shasta in Redding, Calif., a quiet town surrounded by farmland.

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    curious2 says

    Laughing in greed, with blood dripping from their teeth and sinews and umbilical cords hanging from their mouths, they snarl their appreciation for the mandatory insurance that enables them to disguise the hideous cost as a "benefit."

    Raw afterbirth is supposed to be good eatin'. Maybe they should start stocking the surgical suites with fromage and wine, as long as the docs don't eat the babies and charge for that, too.

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    "Plano’s Baylor hospital faces hard questions after claims against former neurosurgeon"

    It will be interesting to see how this story plays in Texas, where Karl Rove and GW Bush surfed to power on "tort reform." California has it too. It certainly has not reduced costs; to the contrary, the effect is to align the financial incentives all one way: do more billable procedures, without regard to risks. Thanks to malpractice insurance with community rating, the most unscrupulous operators offload their costs onto more careful practitioners, who cannot compete and are driven out of business.

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    Yeah, don't even get started on dental chains whose business model is to hire indebted recent graduates and push unneeded procedures.

    Procedures like filing down a 15yo girl's healthy natural teeth and installing crowns.

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    "Yes, you do need braces"

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    I awoke early this morning, to michelle obama scaling the side of our house with a pitchfork.

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    elliemae says

    Unnecessary equipment ordered for patients.

    Obligatory:

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    Automan Empire says

    Yeah, don't even get started on dental chains whose business model is to hire indebted recent graduates and push unneeded procedures.

    Procedures like filing down a 15yo girl's healthy natural teeth and installing crowns.

    In the heyday of Medi-Cal dentistry, the clinics in L.A. would send buses to the ghetto and engage in "capping" i.e. they would pay cash to the "patients" to drive them to the clinics for dental procedures to be billed to the state. It was eventually outlawed, but still, the patients were used as identity shills for billing purposes to tap the state funding. A few graduates became rapid millionaires by engaging their families in their practices with Medi-Cal fraud. Some were caught, others not. Like it or not, foreign graduates primed to exploit the idiot American welfare system were frequent offenders.

    If you create a money spigot, there is always a genius who finds the most direct route to tap it come hell or high water, ethics or patient care out the window, it is why our insurance system and medical billing are crippled.

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    errc says

    I awoke early this morning, to michelle obama scaling the side of our house with a pitchfork.

    Michelle's fondest ambition is to scale Everest without oxygen and only a pitchfork. She will twerk decapitate her Sherpa on the summit.

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    I spent all morning stringing slab bacon from the gutters like christmas lights to keep that deviant muslin witch from making her way atop the roof.

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    Automan Empire says

    Yeah, don't even get started on dental chains whose business model is to hire indebted recent graduates and push unneeded procedures.

    Root planing is one such, and some hygienists are super pushy. The industry standard schedule for dental care they want to impose is akin to changing your engine oil every month. And even the receptionists feign insult when they aren't allowed to force appointments upon you. Going on an "as needed" basis is as frowned upon as fully paying off credit card balances each month. We aren't supposed to think for ourselves.

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    sbh says

    Automan Empire says

    Yeah, don't even get started on dental chains whose business model is to hire indebted recent graduates and push unneeded procedures.

    Root planing is one such, and some hygienists are super pushy. The industry standard schedule for dental care they want to impose is akin to changing your engine oil every month. And even the receptionists feign insult when they aren't allowed to force appointments upon you. Going on an "as needed" basis is as frowned upon as fully paying off credit card balances each month. We aren't supposed to think for ourselves.

    This is true, but one of the reasons is also that compensations for routine preventative care are negligible, don't cover office overhead and are bankruptcy bait, so the incentive is the "bill up" for survival if nothing else.

    But again, that is part of the "broken" system where incentives and practices are awry.

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    If you've got insurance you can get treatment you don't need. But even if you have cash, you can't get much desperately needed treatment without insurance.

    I know I'm missing something, we just had healthcare reform for Christ sakes!

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