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More reasons for Entitlement Reform


By AverageBear   Follow   Thu, 6 Dec 2012, 7:42pm PST   844 views   11 comments
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Hey, don't shoot the messenger....Unfortunately, the democrats here in Massachusetts don't think we need to reform EBT, welfare, disability, etc. All is fine and dandy, and nothing to look at here. PPPFFFT.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?&articleid=1061180084&format=&page=1&listingType=col#articleFull

Anecdotes — that’s how Gov. Deval Patrick always dismisses stories about alleged criminals on welfare.

So this morning, Governor, I’d like to introduce you to 11 more “anecdotes.” They are all from Haverhill. Ten of the anecdotes are accused of distribution of heroin and the 11th for “sale of ammunition.”

According to testimony last week in Haverhill District Court, all 11 are on welfare — mostly SSI and SSDI. According to federal statistics, despite their relative youth (they range in age from 26 to 51), they have only a 1 percent chance of ever ... recovering. By which I mean, getting off welfare.

Despite their illnesses, which left them unable to work, the anecdotes were active enough to have come to the attention of not only the Haverhill police, but also the state police and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Let’s go down the list:

Benjamin Santos Jr., 36; Elisa Escalera, 26; Marcos Molina, 49; Luis Ledesma, 48; Luisaldo Ledesma, 51; John Rodriguez, 30; Domingo Banks-Burgos, 33; Edwin Oquendo, 39; Luis Rivera, 51; Heriberto Escalera, 43; and Jazlin Colon-Brito, 32.

Total bail for these 11 “disabled” individuals: $890,000.

How many of them do you suppose voted for Mitt Romney last month?

This story was originally broken in the Eagle-Tribune, formerly the Lawrence Eagle-Tribune. Lawrence is only a few miles from Haverhill, which used to think of itself as a middle-class city. I can remember when Haverhill had a Republican mayor. Times have changed, and not for the better.

Attorney Lee Graham represents five of the anecdotes. I asked him about the nationalities of his clients.

“Most of them are from Puerto Rico,” he said. “So, yes, they are American citizens.”

And was there any one particular malady that drove these, uh, Americans, onto the dole?

“They mostly filed for psychological issues — ” Graham quickly caught himself. “Alleged psychological issues.”

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CaptainShuddup   Thu, 6 Dec 2012, 9:50pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 1

That's only a reason to fire 90% of the people that work Government, and replace them with people that while would be accused of being discriminatory, crap like this wouldn't happen under their watch.
The problem isn't America's social programs, the problem is Liberal politicians like to use these programs as a treat bowl, to reward undeserving voters while denying the people that paid into them with their taxes when they need these services.

AverageBear   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 1:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 2

CaptainShuddup says

The problem isn't America's social programs, the problem is Liberal politicians like to use these programs as a treat bowl, to reward undeserving voters

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Agreed. See my previous post on Obama's Auntie Zeituni. She comes to mind on this topic. And she's a freakin' illegal!

leo707   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 1:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 3

AverageBear says

How many of them do you suppose voted for Mitt Romney last month?

Probably the same number that voted for Obama...zero.

Here is your hint in the article:
AverageBear says

Most of them are from Puerto Rico

...island residents are US citizens but do not vote in US presidential elections.

leo707   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 1:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 4

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotalAverageBear says

Gov. Deval Patrick always dismisses stories about alleged criminals on welfare.

So this morning, Governor, I’d like to introduce you to 11 more “anecdotes.”

Yes, while it can be interesting to add color to other evidence in isolation I dismiss anecdotal evidence as well.

leo707   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 2:01am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 5

AverageBear says

Hey, don't shoot the messenger

But, bear has such a wonderful flavor. Yes, some might complain that it is too strong (gamey) and/or tough, but in a slow cooked stew (bear bourguignon, yum!) it really adds another level of delicious complexity. I also have a brother in law who has made a sausage with bear, venison and pork. The sausage is great, but last Christmas he used it as an ingredient in the stuffing (cooked in the bird of course) ...oh...my...god...best stuffing ever.

Entitlemented   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 2:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 6

Recently went on a vacation to Hawaii. Was suprised to see on the most beautiful beaches, modified plastic bottles made into pipes for smoking something. There were many 20-40 year olds looking red-eyed, and in many places. So even with local low populations, there were many pipes, many people under the influence.

Then I heard that many Cali people spent more food stamp cards in Hawaii than in Caiifornia!! Talk about hints that you are being gamed.

Also, Hawaii has the highest welfare benefits of any state.

So by observation, it occurred to me that there were lots of drugs by the people who are getting subsidized.

upisdown   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 2:54am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 7

Entitlemented says

Then I heard that many Cali people spent more food stamp cards in Hawaii than in Caiifornia!! Talk about hints that you are being gamed.

Just WHERE did you "hear" that?

Entitlemented says

So by observation, it occurred to me that there were lots of drugs by the people who are getting subsidized.

What a stretch, you take some anecdotal BS that you pulled out of your ass and tried(however poorly) to legitimize it.

leo707   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 2:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 8

Entitlemented says

Recently went on a vacation to Hawaii. Was suprised to see on the most beautiful beaches, modified plastic bottles made into pipes for smoking something. There were many 20-40 year olds looking red-eyed, and in many places. So even with local low populations, there were many pipes, many people under the influence.

Hmmm...I have an excellent counter point to this. I have been to quite a few beaches on the Big Island and Maui and have never seen a pipe -- plastic or otherwise. Therefor there must be no one using drugs on the beach.

However, I do agree that the beaches are beautiful.

Entitlemented says

Also, Hawaii has the highest welfare benefits of any state.

This something else you heard? Well, you are wrong.

Even Glen Beck disagrees with you:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-are-the-top-10-states-that-give-the-most-money-benefits-to-their-residents/

He puts Rhode Island as the #1 in benefits. Maybe you heard it was an Island and made assumptions...

leo707   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 2:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 9

Entitlemented says

looking red-eyed

Are you saying that after a day(s) in the sun and ocean, you don't look a little red-eyed and groggy?

I am beginning to doubt you have ever been to Hawaii.

bob2356   Fri, 7 Dec 2012, 3:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 10

AverageBear says

Hey, don't shoot the messenger....Unfortunately, the democrats here in Massachusetts don't think we need to reform EBT, welfare, disability, etc. All is fine and dandy, and nothing to look at here. PPPFFFT.

You don't need reform, you need people to follow the rules. You are not eligible for ssi if "your disability arose (or was made worse) while you were committing a felony". Someone who is claiming ssi for drug problems after being in prison as a drug dealer should clearly be denied.

HEY YOU   Sun, 9 Dec 2012, 11:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 11

AverageBear,
"Hey, don't shoot the messenger.."

Rule #1 on Patrick.net: Any thread or comment will be attacked. lol

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