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Four Banks Found Guilty of Fraud
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Yeah those Italians also found scientists guilty for not predicting an earthquake.
Be glad that we have a common law system.
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Peter P says
You again show you aren't quite up to snuff when you discuss these matters my friend. In fact, the scientist were convicted for telling everyone not to worry about the earthquakes in the face of data that showed otherwise. Look it up.
Are you a bankster AND a libertarian, Peter? Double bad.
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Anyone who trusts imperfect models on things like earthqakes and climate change should have known better.
It is like someone who gambles with a "system."
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Peter P says
Apparently, Peter, it is against the law to state what amounted to a lie, a fraud, that there was nothing to worry about.
Just because people should have known earthquake predictions are pretty far out and difficult, does not make their lying, in the face of data that showed otherwise, ok.
Had they said nothing, they would not have been prosecuted.
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It is not illegal to make a statement that turns out to be false. It is not even a crime to lie in most circumstances.
Data would always point to the truth but only in hindsight.
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Peter P says
You are assuming you understand the law and the reasoning behind the judgement against the. But I don't think you do. Apparently they were charged with the task of warning people. If they didn't know they could have said so. They decided to state there was no danger.
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And Peter, you still didn't tell me if you are a bankster as well as being a libertarian, which you have admitted to being.
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I wish I were a banker. But no.
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Hey Peter, did you know that the Bernanke backstop gives a government guarantee to private banks that want to take over the business of the GSE's? JPM, and the other TBTF banks including Wells Fargo want this business, but with PERMANENT guarantees.
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Oh this is in Italy. For a moment there, I thought a bank was found guilty of something in the good ole USA!
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bgamall4 says
More reasons to want to be banks. :-(
Sucks for us.
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lostand confused says
We can hope this will one day extend to American cities who were screwed by these derivatives. As it is, Oakland is considering walking away from interest derivatives, which were just as crappy as the mortgage backed derivatives.
It is all a scam by the bankers upon the world, and upon you so that they get money for government that should be going to the police that protect you.