Sewer line problems? (video)


By swebb   Follow   Fri, 21 Dec 2012, 6:54am   2,140 views   28 comments
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I had the sewer line scoped on the house we are looking at.

The video is here if anyone cares to watch it:

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I have had opinions ranging from "needs to be patched in one section" to "the whole line needs to be trenched and re-laid due to inadequate slope"

Do we have any plumbers on this forum with an opinion on the condition of the line? Any armchair plumbers?

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  1. zzyzzx


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    1   6:20pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    I see a turd at around the 44 second mark.

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    2   8:13pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)  

    How do we know that wasn't the video from your colonoscopy?

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    3   10:39am Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Exactly where is the video are you seeing a problem?

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    4   11:46am Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    I know it is not my colostomy video because it looks way too good and my head is nowhere in sight.

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    5   11:58am Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)  

    Ceffer says

    I know it is not my colostomy video because it looks way too good and my head is nowhere in sight.

    Ha Ha Ha....

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    6   12:19pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I think part of the pipe has been installed the wrong way up. causing the fluids to flow along the top of the pipe rather than the bottom. That's gonna be a big problem.

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    7   11:24pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)  

    The first 20 feet looks like pretty fresh white PVC pipe, while that lower section is china clay pipe (older than 1980 subdivision?). The china clay works awesome, especially under the roadway. If you had "Orangeburg" fiber pipe I would suggest full replacement, but what you have is great and has no issues.

    I see nothing but a possible lazy cook allowing grease down the drain. No roots, no cracks in the clay bells, and that slight off-set they note is nothing to worry about, in my opinion. Those offsets are filled in and the poo slides on past. All the slight mis-alignments are normally slicked off with debris, but the plmbers wash out the lines before they scope, so those offsets are exposed. Not a big deal, in my opinion.

    I see nothing wrong with the lateral, but I may have missed something, so use your judgement.

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    8   12:16am Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    E-man says

    How much does it cost to patch? How much does it cost to replace the sewer line? What's the city/county requirement? Does it pass the city/county requirement?

    $10k to re-trench and re-grade the line. All new line, so the "belly" at 36-40 feet and possible crack at 55+ feet get taken care of. Have to tear up the garage slab, but this is included in the $10k price. Also included is all permits/inspections/concrete and asphalt patching and utility "pole support" fee.

    Patch is about $3500-$5500 and only addresses the "belly" (the portion where the camera goes underwater for 4 feet)

    Denver Wastewater Management says it's totally serviceable -- it may need to be pressure cleaned, but it is fine as is and could last for years without issue. (I just found this opinion out on Friday)

    I think I'm going to live with it -- it sounds like it's not going to cause a problem for some time.

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    9   1:23pm Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    swebb says

    Denver Wastewater Management says it's totally serviceable -- it may need to be pressure cleaned, but it is fine as is and could last for years without issue. (I just found this opinion out on Friday)

    I agree.

    If you are looking for reasons to reduce an offer, that is one position. If you are really worried about future maintenance, that is another position.

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    10   1:39pm Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Bap33 says

    I agree.

    @Bap33

    Is your opinion based on common sense / judgment, or do you have experience/expertise in plumbing?

    Thanks

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    11   4:46pm Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    I have experience and demonstrated expertise. Not just in basic residential plumbing, but muni systems too.

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    12   4:49pm Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    Thanks. I was trying to figure out how much weight to give your opinion. I'll give it a lot, say 50 lbs. :)

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    13   9:53pm Sun 23 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)  

    I fully understand. Everyone is an expert on a blog.

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    14   10:12am Mon 24 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  
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    Bap33 says

    I fully understand. Everyone is an expert on a blog.

    lol .. this generated a "dislike"? On a thread about a sewer line? LMAO

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    16   2:26pm Mon 24 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    I think the camera ought to have a gravity sensor so that it can keep the perspective right-side-up.

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    17   8:20pm Mon 24 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)  

    Bap33 says

    Bap33 says

    I fully understand. Everyone is an expert on a blog.

    lol .. this generated a "dislike"? On a thread about a sewer line? LMAO

    I guess they thought it was a crappy thread :)

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    justme says

    I think the camera ought to have a gravity sensor so that it can keep the perspective right-side-up.

    for large lines, there are units that ride along the floor of the pipe, like a remote control 4X4 truck, with a spinning, focusing, aimable lens. Really cool stuff. Cost about $200 for 1 hour of filming when you call guys with that setup.

    for small line stuff, like this one, I have never seen a system have a type of "self-righting" for the video. I like that idea though.

    I think getting a vid before having any work done is a great idea for anyone. The guy that did this job and made the video did a pro job, in my opinion.

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    19   10:20pm Mon 24 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Bap33 says

    I think getting a vid before having any work done is a great idea for anyone. The guy that did this job and made the video did a pro job, in my opinion.

    $145 was the charge for the job. He talked me through the issues and handed me a DVD when he was done. He seemed pretty competent.

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    20   12:21pm Tue 25 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    I would agree. Money well spent.

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    21   7:08pm Tue 25 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    swebb says

    $145 was the charge for the job

    That seems like money down the toilet.

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    22   7:45pm Tue 25 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    from a person living in "half moon" ... really?

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    Bap33 says

    I would agree. Money well spent.

    Was the outfit named 'UP YOURS' ?

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    swebb says

    $145 was the charge for the job. He talked me through the issues and handed me a DVD when he was done. He seemed pretty competent.

    I would have just waited for it to come on HBO.
    It had more character development than Game of Thrones.

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    25   8:42am Wed 26 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Where did he say was the problem (inside and/or outside)? Are you on a concrete slab or raised foundation? What kind of damage is there? Roots, cracks? How old is the pipe?

    I am no plumber, but I have some experience with this.

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    FortWayne says

    Where did he say was the problem (inside and/or outside)? Are you on a concrete slab or raised foundation? What kind of damage is there? Roots, cracks? How old is the pipe?

    I am no plumber, but I have some experience with this.

    They guy that did the scope was either a "junior" plumber or technician that primarily did scope work -- he seemed competent and knowledgeable, but did indicate that he was going to have someone else look at it. His take was that there was one main issue, and that was the "belly" at around 36-40 feet. He said it wasn't a bad belly, being only 3-4 feet in length; he normally would expect 6 feet or more for a belly, and suggested it might just be an offset in the pipe that has collected waste. He also noted that the line had "a lot" of waste in it. The other two problems were a small crack at around 60+ feet which did not appear to be leaking, and a section of cast iron pipe between that is in the foundation wall of the house -- plastic on either side, one of the joints at the cast iron seems a little bit misaligned. Not leaking, but a potential issue in the future.

    There were several aggravating conditions which contributed to the high cost estimate. 1: The belly is under the garage slab. 2: yard access is limited, so trenching will have to be done by hand. 3: There is a utility pole in the alley near the connection to the main, which requires "pole support" from the utility company at an approximate cost of $1300 (large specialized truck that holds the pole while they dig their 14 foot hole)

    The house has a partial basement and the sewer pipe is readily accessible from inside. There are no trees in the vicinity, and no apparent roots in the line. I don't know how old the line is, but the house was built in 1890.

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    27   11:39am Wed 26 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    swebb says

    Denver Wastewater Management says it's totally serviceable -- it may need to be pressure cleaned, but it is fine as is and could last for years without issue. (I just found this opinion out on Friday)

    I think I'm going to live with it -- it sounds like it's not going to cause a problem for some time.

    My suggestion is to live with it. I had a similar situation in my last house where I had a "belly" and there was also an issue where my lateral ran uphill to connect to the main line. I would occasionally get a blockage if somebody was too aggressive with toilet paper.

    Overall, your line looks serviceable. Based on the money and hassles to dig and replace, you could get the line jetted and snaked once or twice a year and save a lot of money.

    I actually had the sewer guys cut a clean-out in right outside my foundation so they could get into the line and clean it from the outside instead of accessing it from the basement.

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    28   12:09pm Wed 26 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    Something just doesn't smell right..............

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