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The NRA are Idiots


By David Losh   Follow   Fri, 21 Dec 2012, 3:29am PST   11,864 views   164 comments
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I have long support the 2nd Amendment, but never contributed to the NRA. They have a very narrow agenda that is contrary to good gun ownership.

Today they proposed putting armed police in all schools saying the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is by having a good guy with a gun. Then the statement went on to say we need a national data base of the mentally ill.

I think they should have come out strongly with a gun education program, a gun training program, with a call for exploration of the term, and requirements for a militia.

We can have a more secure gun policy in this country, but it has to start with the people involved. Today's statement was just absolute nonsense.

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Aussie Nerd   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 9:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 125

Next nra speech……………
Arm each fire truck………….
50 MM grenade launcher should do the trick...........
Idiots

Patrick   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 10:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 126

Fire trucks are supposed to put out fires, not open fire.

They do need protection though, so maybe police should go with if they're going to bad neighborhoods.

Vicente   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 10:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 127

Call it Crazy says

Great idea, return them all home to our soil... guess what, they are already being paid and already have the necessary firearms, which equals zero additional cost.

Then push for that, best of luck.

David Losh   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 10:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 128

Aussie Nerd says

Next nra speech……………
Arm each fire truck………….

If you read the story, what gets me is that this guy was a danger. He was released for murder of his grand mother. In October his mother died, who he loved so much, leaving him alone with a sister he hated. She lived in the same house, she had her side of the house, he had the other.

This is the second part of the NRA's nutty reponse. This guy could have been on a National Watch List of the Mentally Ill, but so what? That would have done nothing to stop him.

We need people to be a community. When we see a situation spinning out of control there should be some mechanism to address it.

I've seen in in my own neighborhood where a Viet Nam vet became more, and more out of control. When I went to talk with him his wife was grateful because she didn't know what to do. We got him to the VA, where after about a year of counseling he opened up.

I'm saying that the NRA is asking the government to solve a problem the NRA should be providing solutions for.

The NRA needs to step up to being leaders of good gun ownership.

We need a solution to gun violence, both immediate, and long term.

David Losh   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 10:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 129

Biff Baxter says

will this article be moved out of the real estate section

This is posted in the politics forum.

The Professor   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 11:35am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 130

Biff Baxter says

Biff
(bored to death with the politards, don't they have some relatives they can annoy at a Christmas gathering?)

Ignore really works!

You should send Patrick some money.

Call it Crazy   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 12:36pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (3)     Comment 131

rooemoore says

Call it Crazy says

Some of the details about this shooter already have come out. I'll let you do your own research to see what type of upstanding law abiding citizen he was!! It's all about following the laws you know.

Imagine the mayhem he would have caused with a knife...

Let's see, you think we need new laws that will ban the public from owning guns.

This guy was a previously convicted murderer and felon and spent time in prison and was released.

CURRENT laws say convicted felons aren't allow the possession of firearms. Even with these current laws in place, he willfully obtained firearms, breaking existing laws.

But, you feel we need NEW laws to ban firearms even though the criminals don't abide by the PAST laws.

Maybe there is something to the saying: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Biff Baxter   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 1:01pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 132

Suddenly several poltical articles are showing up in the real estate forum.

Are things broken or are people spamming (again)?

Biff

Biff Baxter   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 1:06pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 133

Apparently some of the site links were recently modified. The old real estate links I was using no longer work and automatically drive you to the poltical forum. The new links work.

I deleted my original comment.

Biff

FortWayne   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 2:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 134

Call it Crazy says

Let's see, you think we need new laws that will ban the public from owning guns.

This guy was a previously convicted murderer and felon and spent time in prison and was released.

CURRENT laws say convicted felons aren't allow the possession of firearms. Even with these current laws in place, he willfully obtained firearms, breaking existing laws.

They don't pay attention to history. We made drugs illegal, created huge cartels out of that ban. Same will happen with guns if they ban them. These will be criminalized, and anyone who is a criminal will get them anyway, while law abiding public will be left defenseless.

CA is a great example of that. Jerry Brown released prisoners who will get guns anyway, and they are talking about banning the rest of us from owning guns, which we already can't carry in public that all drug dealers, illegals, and thugs do already.

David Losh   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 3:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 135

Call it Crazy says

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

This is the most tired argument of the gun lobby.

First let me give you the example of a bubba who has guns all over the house, and takes his kids to the gun range, or gun store, so they can be educated. Some of these are good people, but you know that a lot of these are just back water bubbas who will some day be another problem.

The second example is the law abiding urbanite who has guns for his or her own protection. Chances are the gun will be used against them because they can't pull the trigger.

Criminals having guns that they know how to use, and aren't afraid to use them are the threat. In most cases you wouldn't even be able to put a bubba or an urbanite up against them.

The guy who killed the fire fighters said in his letter that he enjoyed killing.

Like what is always said, the gun doesn't do the killing, the person pulling the trigger does. So I would like a little more in depth discussion about guns, and the mentally ill, than just banning a certain kind of weapon.

121212   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 3:41am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 136

It’s time. Join more than 800 mayors and 800,000 grassroots supporters to demand that President Obama and Congress step forward with a plan to end gun violence.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

Please sign the petition.

Merry XMAS all

The Professor   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 4:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 137

David Losh says

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
This is the most tired argument ...

Tired but true, by definition.

theoakman   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 5:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 138

Having a cop on duty isn't turning the place into a police station. My school already has had a police officer who works at the school during the entire day. He's integrated into the school. All the teachers and students know him and each teacher has his office on speed dial. No one thinks of him as an armed guard. He's part of our community.

David Losh   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 12:21am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (1)     Comment 139

121212 says

Please sign the petition.

This is a ridiculous petition. An assault weapons ban has been tried, the high capacity clip ban has been tried.

It's a feel good legislation that doesn't address the issue of gun violence, or the fact we live in a violent society.

zzyzzx   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:41am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 140

Thedaytoday   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:59am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 141

zzyzzx you know nobody is talking about banning guns!

yet you continue this line of bullshit

commonsense reform is needed, obviously your not happy with any change that would stop you owning multiple AR's with huge drums.

Would you even have the balls to goto your neighbor and talk such shit?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 8:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 142

All this crap about hunting is so much crap. Pistols and shotguns should be banned. They are useless for a home militia. A real militia needs real ordinance like Gatling guns and machine guns with ammunition belts. Surface to air missiles. That's the kind of stuff everyone should have in their homes ready to rock 'n roll if and when government starts tyrannize them again. Most psychopaths are way too lazy to lift up stuff this heavy.

The Professor   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 143

Thedaytoday says

you know nobody is talking about banning guns!

Everyone is talking about banning guns!

Call it Crazy   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 144

Thedaytoday says

zzyzzx you know nobody is talking about banning guns!

yet you continue this line of bullshit

Really?? I must have missed something.....

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

The Professor   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 145

Thedaytoday says

commonsense reform is needed

How about we prosecute criminals?

The Professor   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:51am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 146

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

A real militia needs real ordinance like Gatling guns and machine guns with ammunition belts. Surface to air missiles.

You left out anti tank missiles.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 11:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 147

The Professor says

You left out anti tank missiles.

Forgive me!

David Losh   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 12:02pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 148

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

All this crap about hunting is so much crap.

You may be kidding, but I agree.

All these Congress people, and Senators talking about hunting poor defenseless animals with guns is the wrong message to be sending.

The Right to Bear arms is the right to defence.

The NRA does the same thing, they talk like they are some knotty pine hunting lodge that is a gathering place for Sunday tea.

In our society, that is built partly on our right to own weapons, you have to expect violence. We have a violent history.

So all of these politicians, coupled with the NRA, should be talking about stemming the violence. What violence we can't calm we should be trained to defend against.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 12:11pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 149

Right on!

The 2nd Amendment is ours!

And it's about organized self-defense! Mobs of guys with Gatling guns ablaze, ripping tyrants' troops into pet snacks!

Mr Possum or Madam Moose aren't a threat to life and liberty!

Give them a hug!

Give tryanny the lead!

thunderlips11   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:59am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 150

David Losh says

It's a feel good legislation that doesn't address the issue of gun violence, or the fact we live in a violent society.

B-But, the black plastic .22 is so much more scary looking than the Ruger 10/22 with the woodstock, even though both came from the factory with the pain in the ass square-shaped magazine.

And the Bubba'd SKS is more scary looking than the imported ex-Yugoslavian One made in the 1940s.

Call it Crazy   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 1:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 151

thunderlips11 says

B-But, the black plastic .22 is so much more scary looking than the Ruger 10/22 with the woodstock, even though both came from the factory with the pain in the ass square-shaped magazine.

Yep, here are the same Ruger 10/22's... which one looks "scarier"??

drew_eckhardt   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 2:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 152

121212 says

It’s time. Join more than 800 mayors and 800,000 grassroots supporters to demand that President Obama and Congress step forward with a plan to end gun violence.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

Please sign the petition.

Merry XMAS all

Thanks for the heads up.

I picked up some 7075-T6 aluminum counter petitions and will get to work signing them with a vertical mill.

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 153

http://www.demandaplan.org/

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:07am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 154

Call it Crazy says

Really?? I must have missed something.....

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Yes your missing your brain and your dick, you coward. One type is not all. Claiming anything else is disingenuous of you, as USUAL!

Call it Crazy   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:14am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 155

121212 says

Yes your missing your brain and your dick, you coward. One type is not all. Claiming anything else is disingenuous of you

What's disingenuous is you!! Make up your mind, which schizophrenic personality are you going to post with? 121212 or thedaytoday??

*

David Losh   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:20am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 156

121212 says

Yes your missing your brain and your dick, you coward.

You made a good call on that, but ruined it with insults.

David Losh   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:21am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 157

121212 says

http://www.demandaplan.org/

However this is not a plan, it is calling for a ban of assault weapons, and high capacity clips.

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:23am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 158

David Losh says

121212 says

http://www.demandaplan.org/

However this is not a plan, it is calling for a ban of assault weapons, and high capacity clips.

Yup.

It's a start. We need to ban gun show loop holes as well.

David Losh   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:40am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 159

121212 says

It's a start.

This is a failed legislation. It got us nowhere, as a matter of fact, I think it made assault weapons more sexy, more mysterious, and desirable to people.

This is the same as the NRA asking for the government to give them a solution.

This creates barriers to dialog. As long as we talk about small issues, like assault weapons, or police in schools, we never address the larger issue of violence.

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 160

David Losh says

This is a failed legislation. It got us nowhere

Like Plan B!

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 5:49am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 161

The NRA does not have the power it thinks it has. Shit is gonna happen or it will be used as leverage!

Call it Crazy   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 6:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 162

121212 says

One type is not all.

Apparently you didn't read the link and list.... it might not be "all", but her proposal covers quite a few....

From the link:

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
* 120 specifically-named firearms;
* Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
* Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 7:15am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 163

Call it Crazy says

Apparently you didn't read the link and list.... it might not be "all", but her proposal covers quite a few....

From the link:

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

* 120 specifically-named firearms;

* Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and

* Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Good. Do it.

I agree. Should be stricter and much more regulation and policing.

thomaswong.1986   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:31pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 164

Call it Crazy says

which one looks "scarier"??

it appears a folding stock is also considered "scary"... as if!

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