WH Relents and Allows the FDA To Proceed with Genetically Modified Salmon


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White House Relents and Allows the FDA To Proceed with Genetically Modified Salmon

The Food and Drug Administration today released an electronic version of its environmental assessment for a genetically modified salmon developed by AquaBounty Technologies—effectively giving its preliminary seal of approval on the first transgenic animal to be considered for federal approval.

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  1. varmint


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    1   2:21pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike  

    Not a fan of this.

    I have no issues with genetic modification, but I don't trust how accurately they can assess the impact of these salmon if they get out into the ocean. Plus salmon farming itself is dumb. Salmon are carnivorous so they have to be fed other fish to grow. Hello? Why not just eat the other fish?

    Also, farmed salmon tastes terrible.

  2. Peter P


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    2   2:22pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    I don't know what to say...

    We are in a brave new world.

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    3   3:52pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (1)  

    I will not eat anymore Salmon unless it's labeled!

    I like my GM modified foods labeled!

  4. Peter P


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    4   3:52pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    121212 says

    I will not eat anymore Salmon

    Just find good salmon. You will know when you eat it.

    I only eat raw, cured, or poached salmon.

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    5   4:07pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike  

    Peter P says

    I only eat raw, cured, or poached salmon.

    You don't want to eat trademarked Salmon?

    or trademarked seeds from Monsanto using roundup?

    Why not, a little genetic diversity is fun for all the family.

    Food is becoming more and more OWNED. I'm surprised Apple has not gotten in this business yet.

  6. Peter P


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    6   4:11pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

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    7   4:12pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Yeah, labeling would be good.

  8. lostand confused


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    8   4:13pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Peter P says

    Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

    Not in this country. They don't label and hence consumers are not free to choose. In Europe they do label and so consumers have a choice.

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    9   4:14pm Fri 21 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)  

    Peter P says

    Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

    They don't want us to choose! That's the truth.

    They want to force feed it to us.

    This proves we are a slave race, always was always will be.

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    10   1:00pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    We have been eating genetically modified food for thousands of years. The only difference is, the modifications were done through breeding, and now can be done directly.

    I don't recall anyone in the past asking for labels for giant mutant turkeys with gigantic breasts, or tasteless tomatoes bred to have tough outer skins to survive truck rides.

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    11   1:06pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Homeboy says

    We have been eating genetically modified food for thousands of years. The only difference is, the modifications were done through breeding, and now can be done directly.

    Nah not like this. Today you can put a frog's gene into a tomato or human gene into a cow-so when you drink cow's milk , you are actually drinking very close to human breast milk. That begs the question, if you eat said cow-are you a cannibal??

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20071923-10391704.html

  12. Peter P


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    12   2:28pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I believe our essence is more than our genes.

    Genetics do not define humanity. We define humanity individually.

    I know if you put a frog's gene into dinosaur DNA it can change sex. I learned that from Jurassic Park. LOL!

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    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

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    14   3:12pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    lostand confused says

    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

    WTF are you talking about?

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    New Renter says

    lostand confused says



    Peter P says



    Genetics do not define humanity.


    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???


    WTF are you talking about?

    Responding to someone who says genes do not define a human.

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    16   3:17pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)  

    121212 says

    Peter P says

    Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

    They don't want us to choose! That's the truth.

    They want to force feed it to us.

    This proves we are a slave race, always was always will be.

    You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on. Enjoy picking moth larvae out of your apples, tripping on ergot, and watching your kids starve when the harvest fails.

    You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

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    17   3:20pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike  

    New Renter says

    You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

    lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

    I worked my own farm for a while.

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    18   3:23pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)  

    New Renter says

    You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

    The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

    Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

    The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

    What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

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    19   3:48pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    121212 says

    New Renter says

    You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

    lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

    I worked my own farm for a while.

    121212 says

    New Renter says

    You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

    lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

    I worked my own farm for a while.

    True, you got me there - my track record with growing things has been terrible. Why'd you get out of farming?

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    20   3:54pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    lostand confused says

    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

    Don't you touch my veal! ;-)

    Veal Milanese. Yum!

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    121212 says

    New Renter says

    You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

    The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

    Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

    The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

    What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

    I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

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    New Renter says

    lostand confused says

    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

    WTF are you talking about?

    This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

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    23   4:15pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Homeboy says

    New Renter says

    lostand confused says

    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

    WTF are you talking about?

    This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

    It was obviously a joke.

    I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.

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    24   4:25pm Sat 22 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Peter P says

    Homeboy says

    New Renter says

    lostand confused says

    Peter P says

    Genetics do not define humanity.

    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

    WTF are you talking about?

    This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

    It was obviously a joke.

    I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.

    If so LaC has a strange sense of humor.

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    New Renter says

    If so LaC has a strange sense of humor.

    Or perhaps strange IS a sense of humor? :-)

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    Peter P says

    lostand confused says



    Peter P says



    Genetics do not define humanity.


    So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???


    Don't you touch my veal! ;-)


    Veal Milanese. Yum!

    LOL!! I love me veal and every sort of meat! But I just prefer labelling in the case of Genetically modified food. I think the customer should be given the right to choose-it is our money. If Europe can achieve that, it is much easier here. But Monsanto and their ilk and their lobbying efforts prevent that. You can't put the genie back in the bottle-genetic modified food is here to stay. But there is nothing wrong with labelling.

    Now philosophically-yes. We are all one, start off as a single cell, then grow and consume things of the earth , excrete stuff back into the earth and finally our body is absorbed back into the earth . I am not an atheist, defnitely believe something is there, beyond science and DNA-but file that in the unkown category. Some of the older religions all call that the unkowable, the great unkown and do not try and define that which is beyond our puny human defnition. So to me science is science -which is ever evolving as our understanding of the world evolves and expands and philosphy/essence/divine is something else. Why try and mix that with science and make it dull, boring and repetitive?

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    New Renter says

    121212 says

    New Renter says

    You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

    The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

    Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

    The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

    What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

    I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

    Organic farming = Traditional Farming

    We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.

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    28   12:33pm Wed 26 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike  

    Farming for me was educational.

    My family have always known how, but we live in the city and suburbs and have no interest in going back to it.

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    varmint says

    Why not just eat the other fish?

    Presumably the other fish taste terrible and eat something we grow like corn, soybeans, or some sort of food waste.

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    121212 says

    New Renter says

    121212 says

    New Renter says

    You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

    The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

    Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

    The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

    What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

    I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

    Organic farming = Traditional Farming

    We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.

    I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

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    New Renter says

    I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

    The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.

    Ask "ANY" farmer.

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    121212 says

    New Renter says

    I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

    The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.

    Ask "ANY" farmer.

    As I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.

    This is a question to be answered by series of carefully constructed, double blind research trials with a significant control and test populations of either humans or a representative animal model. Most of the criticism of the studies done by both sides to date - as in the case of the corn study - has been on the methodology employed and the objectivity of the researchers.

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    121212 says

    effectively giving its preliminary seal of approval on the first transgenic animal to be considered for federal approval.

    Personally I think this an abomination of God, this should not be allowed to happen. The world is NOT ready for transgender salmon...

    [what]...[it is?]...[oh...]

    Ohhhhh Never mind!

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    34   10:56am Thu 27 Dec 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike  

    Just LABEL it! Why would they hide it unless they know people will not buy it!

    Just like "PINK SLIME".

    If you eat Chicken Nuggets that is PINK SLIME. If you Label things people will not buy them.

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    Who needs labels?
    Can you spot the fake? If not then farm raised salmon should be a non issue for you.

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    New Renter says

    I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.

    right, ask Monsanto and expect an answer. Did anyone of those farmers discuss Roundup? GM Alfalfa?

    Pesticides?

    They are qualified, your not listening.

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    Homeboy says

    I don't recall anyone in the past asking for labels for giant mutant turkeys with gigantic breasts, or tasteless tomatoes bred to have tough outer skins to survive truck rides.

    Or about "red delicious" apples that taste terrible.

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