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Lindsey Graham " I own an AR-15" , "Why should I be stopped buying another!"


By 121212   Follow   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:24am PST   4,980 views   37 comments
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http://forward.com/articles/168202/gun-lobby-defends-school-guard-plan/

Gun Lobby Defends School Guard Plan
Schumer, Lieberman Blast Plan for More Guns

On NBC, Graham said he himself owns an AR-15, the type of assault rifle used by 20-year-old Adam Lanza in Newtown.

“I own an AR-15. I’ve got it at my house. The question is if you deny me the right to buy another one, have you made America safer?” he asked. “I don’t suggest you take my right to buy an AR-15 away from me because I don’t think it will work, and I do believe better security in schools is a good place to start.”

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121212   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 1

Does he have shit in his eyes! Or is that Mitt Romney?

CaptainShuddup   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 2

psst... Mitt don't matter any more.

121212   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (3)     Comment 3

psst, I will tell you a secret, he never did.

Raw   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 5:23am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 4

121212 says

“I own an AR-15. I’ve got it at my house. The question is if you deny me the right to buy another one, have you made America safer?” he asked.

Yes.

HEY YOU   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 7:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 5

He should give the money to the Conservative, Republican, Teabags that are receiving any govt. benefits. That way he would be fighting America's greatest enemy;Socialism.

jvolstad   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 7:30am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (2)     Comment 6

I plan to buy an AR-15 this coming year. It's a great weapon.

marcus   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 7:56am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 7

Yes. I have to admit, it's WAY COOLER than that 007 toy gun I got back in 1965.

marcus   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 8:01am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 8

Secret Agent man, secret agent man,...

Wait...is it secret asian man ?

121212   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 12:22pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 9

thomaswong.1986 says

United Kingdom Legal with mods - "a person must provide an exceptional reason and gain permission from the Home Secretary, making ownership all but impossible for a private citizen"

No way an AR-15 in the UK is getting into the hands of anyone.

121212   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 12:23pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (3)     Comment 10

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Raw   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 1:11pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 11

jvolstad says

I plan to buy an AR-15 this coming year. It's a great weapon.

It did pretty well targeting 6 year olds. Please reconsider.

dodgerfanjohn   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 1:19pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 12

LOL.

Wahhhhhhhh!

Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm afraid of inatimate objects.

Stand up be a man for once in your snively little life.

New Renter   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:44pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 13

121212 says

“I own an AR-15. I’ve got it at my house. The question is if you deny me the right to buy another one, have you made America safer?”

If someone were to break into his home and steal one AR-15, that's one rifle in the hands of a criminal. If TWO AR-15s are stolen that's potentially TWO rifles in the hands of two separate criminals. So yes, in that case America IS safer.

New Renter   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 2:46pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 14

dodgerfanjohn says

LOL.

Wahhhhhhhh!

Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm afraid of inatimate objects.

Stand up be a man for once in your snively little life.

Great, then you won't mind if I come over and hide a live Claymore somewhere in your yard?

Hey, its only an inanimate object.

New Renter   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 3:29pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 15

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

If someone were to break into his home and steal one AR-15, that's one rifle in the hands of a criminal. If TWO AR-15s are stolen that's potentially TWO rifles in the hands of two separate criminals. So yes, in that case America IS safer.

FYI.. many gun owners have locked down gun safes.

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

New Renter   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 3:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

lots and lots of gun owners do have gun safes....

how often do you hear of hundreds or thousands of AR-15 being stolen...

else do you have heard about this.. but your spreading fear and not facts...

Aparantly lots and lots of gun owners HAVE heard of criminals stealing guns. Not much point investing in a safe otherwise.

New Renter   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 3:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 17

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

Maybe, but how many owners DON'T keep their guns in a safe figuring - rightly - that keeping their gun in a safe is a hindrance to the very reason for having the damn thing in the first place? When a strung out meth addicted baby raper has broken into your home the last thing you want to do is try to remember the combination to your safe, THEN load the gun, and only then go protect your family.

lots and lots of gun owners do have gun safes....

how often do you hear of hundreds or thousands of AR-15 being stolen...

else do you have heard about this.. but your spreading fear and not facts...

Here's some facts for you then:

http://articles.courant.com/2012-12-20/community/hc-meriden-rifle-siezed-1221-20121220_1_rifle-30-round-magazines-ar-15

http://news.yahoo.com/police-ore-mall-shooter-used-stolen-rifle-181931596.html

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/stolen-lost-found-property-details-2032

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/stolen-lost-found-property-details-6695

http://gwinnett.patch.com/articles/reward-offered-in-theft-of-a-dozen-guns-aae5ae1c

http://www.fox16.com/news/story/Police-officers-stolen-AR-15-sold-multiple-times/ifyEtrpWeUiLxdApNYAfXQ.cspx

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/AR-15-stolen-from-marked-police-car/-/9153728/17478892/-/kttw00z/-/index.html

http://joco913.com/news/police-recover-rifles-stolen-in-olathe-bass-pro-burglary/

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=7&f=136&t=948006

http://www.armslist.com/posts/695303/columbia-south-carolina-rifles-for-sale--stolen-ar-15

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/24/3152055/miami-springs-police-teens-stole.html

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/160295-Stolen-AR15-recovered-in-West-Springfield-hotel

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3472.0

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/AR-15-SWAT-rifle-stolen-from-Tempe-officers-personal-car-136599793.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2683985/posts

http://3gn.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=954184

http://www.kentuckyarmoryclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=4215

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=794537

http://www.topix.com/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/T7NVJU05TNTSJ9FI8

There are many, many more out there. What's REALLY scary is how many of these were stolen from the police!

New Renter   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 4:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 18

dodgerfanjohn says

New Renter says

dodgerfanjohn says

LOL.

Wahhhhhhhh!

Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm afraid of inatimate objects.

Stand up be a man for once in your snively little life.

Great, then you won't mind if I come over and hide a live Claymore somewhere in your yard?

Hey, its only an inanimate object.

Ok. So long as my leg is tied to a string attached to the trigger on that AR-15 that's pointed directly at your head.

That is, so long as we are making equivalent comparisons.

Um, sure, OK.

Lvenit1   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 1:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 19

I've always said ..... the most dangerous people are the self-haters
and Lindsey Graham will be a self-hater until he finally comes out.

spoons   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 1:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 20

zzyzzx says

121212 says

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Considering how overpopulated we are, maybe this is a good thing.

There is no human dignity in this comment.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 1:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 21

AR-15's aren't for home protection, they are for defending outside against large groups of people. For home protection you use a 12 gauge shotgun or handgun. Unless of course you live in a castle with very large rooms and stone walls so the bullets don't over penetrate and go into your neighbors house.

121212   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 2:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 22

spoons says

zzyzzx says

121212 says

an AR-15 is a Human hunting rifle!

Considering how overpopulated we are, maybe this is a good thing.

There is no human dignity in this comment.

zzyzzx has no honor or dignity, he is plainly soulless..

121212   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 6:51am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 23

Try saying something meaningfully appropriate to the thread subject Soft Ruki!

Instead of Trolling!

Your not capable are you.

thunderlips11   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 2:54am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 24

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

121212   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 3:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 25

thunderlips11 says

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

So why compare in the first place !? You are comparing accidents not MURDERS of elementary school children. What wrong with you?

thunderlips11   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 26

121212 says

thunderlips11 says

Thousands of kids, and many more adults, die each year for petty conveniences:

Hairdryers, Can Openers, Electric Knives, Pools, Plastic Bags, Hot Dogs (#1 Choking Death Food for Children) , etc.

A few hundred dying because of a device that can save lives is paltry.

So why compare in the first place !? You are comparing accidents not MURDERS of elementary school children. What wrong with you?

Dead is dead, no?

A kid shot in the face by a mental illness sufferer is just as dead as the neighbor's kid who climbed the fence and drowned in the pool while everybody was at work, just so the Atkinsons could cool off on a summer day.

The Kid who drank the Fabric Softener is just as dead, because Mrs. Atkinson hated static cling and Mr. Atkinson loved the Fresh Rain smell.

The Kid who sliced their friend in half with the electric carving knife (stowed in an unlocked drawer in the kitchen) just so Mary Maplecrotch could cut her turkey meat in perfect proportional sizes.

121212   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:14am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 27

thunderlips11 says

Dead is dead, no?

No. How insensitive can you be.

Some fool walks into a 1st grade class room and blows 20 kids away without reloading and you want to compare it to a child drinking fabric softer!

Get a life!

121212   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 28

Soft Ruki, Your spamming my posts and your not welcome.

thunderlips11   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:27am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 29

I don't get the insensitivity claim, going purely by the numbers.

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot. Generally people have no control over either. Nobody wants their kids to play with the electric knife. "I just couldn't envision that happening" I'm sure many a parent told themselves.

The Insensitivity is on the part of the gun fetishizers. They are insensitive to the raw, hard, cold facts about the main causes of child deaths, and waste their time on the lesser causes of death.

121212   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:29am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 30

thunderlips11 says

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot

Thats an accident. Maybe you need an awakening. You cannot tell the difference between MDK and an accident?

thunderlips11   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 31

121212 says

thunderlips11 says

Losing a kid to faulty wiring in the bathroom is no less tragic than to have him shot

Thats an accident. Maybe you need an awakening. You cannot tell the difference between MDK and an accident?

Let's see:

If you get shot in the face, you're dead

If you get electrocuted in the shower, you're dead.

If you drown in a pool, you're also dead.

If you drink too much Acetone, you're dead.

If you eat marbles too big for your throat, you're dead.

The shot in the face might be least painful of the five, likely being instant.

121212   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 4:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 32

thunderlips11 says

Let's see:

If you get shot in the face, you're dead
If you get electrocuted in the shower, you're dead.
If you drown in a pool, you're also dead.

If you eat marbles too big for your throat, you're dead.

The shot in the face might be least painful of the four, likely being instant.

Your right, how did I not see it your way.

Perhaps you "also" are missing your soul, if you cannot honestly tell the difference between felony homicide and accident death.

zzyzzx   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:40am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 33

thunderlips11   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:42am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 34

121212 says

Perhaps you "also" are missing your soul, if you cannot honestly tell the difference between felony homicide and accident death.

And you fail to realize that losing a child in a car accident is no worse than losing one to a homicide.

Trust me, both sets of parents are equally upset, and both children are equally dead.

"Oh, my kid is deader than yours, he was shot instead of thrown out the windshield".

121212   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 4:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 35

Thunderfool!

Shut the fuck up! and stop comparing fucking accidents that lead to deaths to MASS MDK!

Your heinous!

BobbyS   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 9:21am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 36

Since anything can potentially cause death, everything should be legal to own. Anything from a butter knife to Tomahawk missile launchers. You should be able to buy grenades, land mines, vials of anthrax, mercury laden toothpaste or unlabeled asbestos filled jackets from a store. There should also be zero government regulation for food and products safety. Furthermore, zoning laws should be abolished completely. Should you neighbors decide to sell their houses to a company wanting to build a coal plant right next to your house, they should have that right. If you are afraid of inanimate objects, you need your overly-paranoid head examined.

msilenus   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 1:30pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 37

That chart should updated to include all firearm deaths. You shouldn't really compare only firearm homicides to most other things on that chart. That's comparing the major drivers of vehicle deaths (accidents) to a minority contributor to gun deaths (homicides.) I suppose the intent isn't really to inform, though.

Total firearm deaths are north of thirty thousand per year, which puts them on par with most other items on that chart. Firearm deaths would rank above drugs, which are illegal, and only a little below automobiles, which require licenses to operate. Laws get passed to hamper tobacco use all the time.

Perhaps guns should be regulated like cars? We could require prospective owners to pass tests and get licensed. Perhaps a psych test and a gun safety exam. That seems no more difficult than getting a driver's license.

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