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Shadow Banking, Housing Inventory and Liabilities


By Bubbabear   Follow   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 6:42am PST   1,632 views   14 comments
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Denial doesn't change reality. It only cripples our response to reality.
Psychologists and behavioral economists have found that we deceive ourselves (conceal the truth) to serve our own interests. Perhaps this is why the mainstream ignores the Id Monsters in the shadows: shadow banking, shadow housing inventory and shadow liabilities.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec12/shadow12-12.html

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Oil Can   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 6:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 1

Sometimes I think I would be better off not knowing this stuff.

HousingBoom   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 5:27pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 2

TRUTH!!! Housing is doomed!!! Thanks for the post.

taxee   Mon, 24 Dec 2012, 10:47pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 3

I slaved my life away and built real, useful stuff and Uncle Sam took a lot of it. Uncle Sam promised, that when I got old, he'd send me slips of paper other people would need to pay their property taxes and I could trade those for services and real stuff. I was young and trusting. Turns out Uncle Sam and his friends bought themselves private jets, yachts, huge estates, and offshore factories and bank accounts.

tatupu70   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 1:35am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 4

In the chart showing the 'shadow' inventory, what does the large area called "existing" refer to?

Bubbabear   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 3:43am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 5

@E-man
Bank-owned and foreclosed properties have a major distinction: They are sold differently. A foreclosed property may or may not be sold at a sheriff’s auction. In fact, most foreclosure auctions do not even result in bids or a successful sale...
In those cases, the ownership of the property reverts to the mortgage holding bank, which will sell the home ...

taxee   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 5:51am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 6

Billybigrig says

In those cases, the ownership of the property reverts to the mortgage holding bank, which will sell the home ...

Not likely. Might sell a few so they still appear to be a bank, but hoarding real estate that might actually be worth something is the new bankster hedge against worthless currency.

Bubbabear   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 9:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

taxee says

hoarding real estate that might actually be worth something

..and eventully sells the home to a speculator, FHA welfare reccipient or too a $500,000 purchase or more that delivers an automatic VISA...

taxee   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 12:38pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

Billybigrig says

hoarding real estate that might actually be worth something

..and eventully sells the home to a speculator, FHA welfare reccipient or too a $500,000 purchase or more that delivers an automatic VISA...

good reason for at least a $100 million bonus. Twice that if you sell it under the table to a hedge fund.

HousingBoom   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 12:56pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 9

Doesn't this shadow inventory almost guarantee that home prices are going to plummet? I remember looking at the housing data in 2006 and it looks similar to what we are seeing now.

taxee   Tue, 25 Dec 2012, 7:03pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 10

It could take a while before they have to sell. Monopoly power can manipulate markets for a long time: De Beers is well known for its monopolistic practices throughout the 20th century, whereby it used its dominant position to manipulate the international diamond market.[6][18] The company used several methods to exercise this control over the market: Firstly, it convinced independent producers to join its single channel monopoly, it flooded the market with diamonds similar to those of producers who refused to join the cartel, and lastly, it purchased and stockpiled diamonds produced by other manufacturers in order to control prices through supply.[19]
In 2000, the De Beers model changed,[19] due to factors such as the decision by producers in Russia, Canada and Australia, to distribute diamonds outside of the De Beers channel, thus effectively ending the monopoly.[6][18]
In November 2011 the Oppenheimer family announced their intention to sell the entirety of their 40% stake in De Beers to Anglo American plc thereby increasing Anglo American's ownership of the company to 85%.[20] The transaction is worth £3.2 billion ($5.1bn) in cash and will end the Oppenheimer dynasty's eighty year ownership in the world's largest diamond miner, if successful.[21][22]

fedwatcher   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 1:27pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

Real Estate is the largest asset class, thus its total collapse would send the world economy into a global depression.

One must remember that the "housing bubble" was not limitted to the U.S., but spread to many economies. Spain, Ireland, the U.K., and Iceland are examples. Only Iceland took the right path out.

E-man   Thu, 24 Jan 2013, 4:53pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 12

Billybigrig says

@E-man

Bank-owned and foreclosed properties have a major distinction: They are sold differently. A foreclosed property may or may not be sold at a sheriff’s auction. In fact, most foreclosure auctions do not even result in bids or a successful sale...

In those cases, the ownership of the property reverts to the mortgage holding bank, which will sell the home ...

Billy,

I'm reading your definition, and it appears that you don't have a very deep understanding of foreclosed and bank owned properties. The term sheriff sale is applied to judicial states. Since you're in CA, do you know the difference between foreclosed and bank owned properties. Did you know that we don't call it sheriff sale in CA?

Robert Sproul   Fri, 25 Jan 2013, 7:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 13

Billy, I am worried about your chances for a passing grade from Professor E-man. Have you been attending properly to his lectures?

Mark D   Fri, 25 Jan 2013, 8:35am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

Billy is gone now.

no more neg news. what to do?

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