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The Left Bullies the NRA


By Ironman   Follow   Wed, 26 Dec 2012, 12:53am PST   3,103 views   62 comments   Watch (0)   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (4)  

http://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2012/12/26/the-left-bullies-the-nra-n1473875/page/full/

On Christmas Eve, seven people were shot in the city of Chicago. The media made little mention of the shootings, since they're now routine in Chicago -- the city has seen some 500 shootings in 2012 alone. The vast majority of the shooters are black, and the vast majority of the victims are black. Many of the victims are under the age of 18: Anton Sanders, 15, shot on Jan. 20; Deshun Winfert, 15, shot on Feb. 5; Damion Rolle, 14, shot on Feb. 21; George Howard and Albert Guyton, both 15, shot on Feb. 27 and Feb. 28; the list goes on. A few are under age 10. You've never heard of any of them.

But when an evil white person with a history of mental instability shoots up a school, killing 20 children, most of whom were white, the media is suddenly concerned with gun control.

Perhaps that's because the media is racist. Or perhaps it's something else. If the media pays attention to the shootings in Chicago, it will have to talk about the fact that Chicago is heavily gun controlled. It will have to discuss the fact that guns are illegally flowing into areas of heavy gun violence. And it will have to talk about the impact of social ills like single motherhood, gang recruitment and poor public education.

Instead, the media focuses on Sandy Hook, Aurora and Columbine. Focusing on such statistically aberrant scenarios rather than the more widespread gun violence that plagues our cities allows the media to target one of its most hated groups: the National Rifle Association.

So what does that have to do with Chicago versus Sandy Hook? The media knows that in all shooting scenarios, the conversation quickly polarizes into two positions: ban guns or discuss other myriad social and legal issues that lead to shootings. In communities plagued by high levels of social ills like Chicago, the second position is the more obvious one. In cases of placid communities getting shot up by a nutcase, the left can talk gun bans more easily.

It's far harder to stop Sandy Hook than it is to stop violence in Chicago. But the left doesn't like the possible solutions in Chicago. They prefer to destroy their competition. So the shootings in Chicago will continue. So, in all likelihood, will incidents like Sandy Hook, thanks in large part to the left's focus on destroying its enemies rather than preventing acts of evil.

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thunderlips11   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 6:51am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 23

BTW, we already have mandatory reporting for child and domestic abuse in the medical field.

Parts of my idea are already law:
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4126152

We just have to extend it so Medical Professionals can report to the NICS, and notify police of the address so they can seize firearms from the residence, to be sold or stored offsite.

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:06am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (4)     Comment 24

Homeboy says

Why is it you liars never mention that the murder rate has gone DOWN in Chicago since they started regulating guns?

Chicago murders are "down" to around 500 this year. Is that a good number in your opinion? What were they before they regulated the guns?

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:11am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (4)     Comment 25

Homeboy says

And then there's the problem that most gun murders AREN'T committed by mentally ill people.

You're right, they're mostly committed due to drug and inter city violence with handguns (80% to 90% of all murders). Whether you consider these guys "mentally ill" is your choice.

So, why ban semi-auto rifles that mentally ill people used for these handful of mass shootings? Seems the focus should be somewhere else....

Thedaytoday   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:15am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 26

Call it Crazy says

So, why ban semi-auto rifles that mentally ill people used for these handful of mass shootings? Seems the focus should be somewhere else...

yes on gun shows and banning assault rifles and large magazines

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:24am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (4)     Comment 27

Thedaytoday says

yes on gun shows and banning assault rifles and large magazines

Right, because that's the firearm that causes the majority of murders....

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Thedaytoday   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:27am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 28

Call it Crazy says

Right, because that's the firearm that causes the majority of murders....

That's very cruel.

I think the conversation should be about the fact this killer didn't need to reload and thus could not be stopped.

Cling to your gun stats , that should make your feel safer.

Gun shows laws need to be changed.

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:34am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (4)     Comment 29

Thedaytoday says

That's very cruel.

No, data is real. Sorry if these facts burst your fantasy...

Thedaytoday says

I think the conversation should be about the fact this killer didn't need to reload and thus could not be stopped.

The conversation should be about how to stop deranged mentally ill killers from doing this again. Guns don't reload themselves....

Thedaytoday says

Cling to your gun stats , that should make your feel safer.

You can cling to the stats, the guns are more useful.

Thedaytoday   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 8:02am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 30

Call it Crazy says

The conversation should be about how to stop deranged mentally ill killers from doing this again. Guns don't reload themselves....

Especially AR's that don't need to reloaded to fire 30 or 100 rounds.

Thedaytoday   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 8:03am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 31

Call it Crazy says

You can cling to the stats, the guns are more useful.

Cling to your AR's.

Thedaytoday   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 8:03am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 32

Call it Crazy says

Thedaytoday says

That's very cruel.

No, data is real. Sorry if these facts burst your fantasy...

You are a cruel son of a bitch

Kevin   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 8:44am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

thunderlips11 says

Most mass killings are committed by mentally ill people. Most serial killers are mentally ill, if not all of them. Many murders are committed by mentally ill people, including sociopaths which is a mental disorder. Probably the majority of suicides are committed by the mentally ill, with only a fraction being sane people who make a logical decision to engage in euthanasia for themselves due to severe pain interfering with them having any quality of life.

Mass shootings are terrible, but they're only a small part of the problem. Gun violence on the streets is committed by run of the mill criminals. You tell them that they can't own a gun, and they'll just get one illegally (they already do). It's the mere existence of the guns that lets them obtain them.

It isn't "assault rifles". It isn't "high capacity magazines". It isn't crazy people. It's simply the wide availability of all types of firearms.

A simple revolver is orders of magnitude more lethal than a sword or large knife.

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:39am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 34

Kevin says

It isn't "assault rifles". It isn't "high capacity magazines". It isn't crazy people. It's simply the wide availability of all types of firearms.

So why are the anti-gun people only trying to grab the "assault rifles"?

zzyzzx   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:42am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 35

Call it Crazy says

So why are the anti-gun people only trying to grab the "assault rifles"?

Their definition of an "assault rifle" is pretty much every rifle, except maybe a bolt action rifle. That and some handguns.

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:46am PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 36

zzyzzx says

Their definition of an "assault rifle" is pretty much every rifle, except maybe a bolt action rifle. That and some handguns.

I wonder if they're going to include this rifle in the assault category??

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Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:48am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 37

thunderlips11 says

One of the secrets about Japan (and Singapore and other Asian Countries) is that certain crimes are swept under the rug by authorities or defined differently.

For example, when a man flips out in Japan and kills his wife and 2 kids, it counts as a quadruple suicide - it doesn't count as a murder. Japan has a very high suicide rate, despite the gun ban. Cultural differences.

Oh, bullshit.

Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:49am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 38

Kevin says

It isn't "assault rifles". It isn't "high capacity magazines". It isn't crazy people. It's simply the wide availability of all types of firearms.

Hear, hear!

Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 10:50am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 39

IDDQD says

And what our lefty president did about all that? Big fat nothing.

He's not really a lefty, despite the bullshit the right spews about him.

Ironman   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 11:02am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 40

Thedaytoday says

Call it Crazy says

The conversation should be about how to stop deranged mentally ill killers from doing this again. Guns don't reload themselves....

Especially AR's that don't need to reloaded to fire 30 or 100 rounds.

On the subject of violence and mentally ill killers, here is a perfect example of what's being given to the kids at early ages. You mentioned large drum mags.... take a look at what your kids get to "play" with and you wonder how it leads to the real thing if they are already having psych issues....

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Kevin   befriend   ignore   Thu, 27 Dec 2012, 7:31pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 41

Call it Crazy says

Kevin says

It isn't "assault rifles". It isn't "high capacity magazines". It isn't crazy people. It's simply the wide availability of all types of firearms.

So why are the anti-gun people only trying to grab the "assault rifles"?

Because they're stupid and think that it will work well enough while avoiding any major 2nd amendment showdown.

IMO, the only think that's going to fix gun violence is amending the constitution. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that we had to fix some stupid idea that the framers had.

Call it Crazy says

On the subject of violence and mentally ill killers, here is a perfect example of what's being given to the kids at early ages. You mentioned large drum mags.... take a look at what your kids get to "play" with and you wonder how it leads to the real thing if they are already having psych issues....

Kids have been playing with pretend guns for as long as there have been pretend guns. Kids in other countries play with pretend weapons (and play MORE violent video games and watch MORE violent movies). They don't grow up and kill people.

You know why?

BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET REAL GUNS EASILY.

Everyone likes to play armchair psychologist after the fact, but when it comes down to it, if you wanted to ban every kid with violent tendencies from ever owning a gun you'd be looking at about 40% of the population (i.e. most males).

And we're still talking about "crazy people" when the fact remains that most gun death is of the crime, domestic, and accidental variety. If you came up with some magical way to prevent every person who fits a dangerous psych profile from obtaining a firearm, the US would *STILL* have the highest per-capita rate of gun violence among countries with a stable government.

The only countries that have more gun violence than we do are failed states where the government has little control, there's no rule of law, and everybody and their mother carries a firearm for "protection" (kind of like the NRA's dream for america!)

You absolutely can reduce the number of guns in the US, and it's nothing like marijuana. Canada has about a third as many firearms per capita as the US, and yet they border the country with the most firearms -- ON TWO SIDES! Shit, you'd think those canadians would be sneaking all sorts of firearms in from the US and shooting each other up all the time, right?

A stable, wealthy country where rule of law reigns should not have death rates that rival countries like El Salvador and Columbia.

Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 3:42am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 42

Call it Crazy says

So, why ban semi-auto rifles that mentally ill people used for these handful of mass shootings? Seems the focus should be somewhere else....

I agree that assault weapons bans don't go far enough. But at least it's a start. Maybe when the gun nuts realize that regulations on firearms won't make the whole country suddenly go Mad Max, and stop screaming about it, we can actually work on reducing the insane number of guns in the US.

You have to focus on what might actually be accomplished. It's just like the Obamacare argument: So many people say they hate Obamacare and want nationalized healthcare. But that would never fly in the current political climate, so that choice just wasn't on the table. Sometimes you have to take baby steps.

Kevin   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 9:41am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 43

Another fine example of why saying "crazy guy can't own guns" just won't work:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/dawn-nguyen-arrested_n_2377285.html

Just pay your neighbor to buy the guns for you!

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:08pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 44

Thedaytoday says

Call it Crazy says

The conversation should be about how to stop deranged mentally ill killers from doing this again. Guns don't reload themselves....

Especially AR's that don't need to reloaded to fire 30 or 100 rounds.

yes.. tell that to the Korean shop owners back in 92 during the LA riots whiched lasted over a week. But I guess you could live with a massacres rape rampage. Hispanics fare no better and 1/3 killed were Hispanics.

You can live with that right ?

Yes.. there are good reasons to have a multi round clip...

"Some Koreans formed armed self-defence groups following the 1992 riots. Speaking just prior to the 1993 verdict, Mr. Yong Kim, leader of the Korea Young Adult Team of Los Angeles, which purchased five AK-47s, stated, "We made a mistake last year. This time we won't. I don't know why Koreans are always a special target for African-Americans, but if they are going to attack our community then we are going to pay them back.

FortWayne   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:11pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 45

Homeboy says

FortWayne says

We haven't had too many incompetent presidents in this country. Carter, Nixon, Obama are the only 3 I can think of.

You are hilarious. Nobody seems to remember that Ronald Reagan's administration illegally sold arms to radical government factions and used the proceeds to support other radicals in South America, and when questioned about it, Reagan didn't seem to remember anything that was going on in his own administration. Turns out he was already suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's. Sorry if I blew his chances for sainthood.

No president has been a saint. But Reagan administration and conservatism has saved this nation at a time of dire need.

Now the polar left always tried to destroy the character of any man who tried to stand up to their union bullcrap. So I'm not surprised by all the attacks back then, or any today.

FortWayne   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:12pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 46

Call it Crazy says

zzyzzx says

Their definition of an "assault rifle" is pretty much every rifle, except maybe a bolt action rifle. That and some handguns.

I wonder if they're going to include this rifle in the assault category??

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I bet this picture is frightening pants off some liberals out there.

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 12:13pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 47

Kevin says

The only countries that have more gun violence than we do are failed states where the government has little control, there's no rule of law, and everybody and their mother carries a firearm for "protection" (kind of like the NRA's dream for america!)

like Germany maybe ?

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Germany is 25,000,000

The rate of private gun ownership in Germany is 30.32 firearms per 100 people

In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Germany ranked at No. 4

Frankly i think there must be a boat load of unreported AK-47 not to mention the AK-72s which were floating since the fall of East Germany.

Kevin   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 2:19pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 48

thomaswong.1986 says

Kevin says

The only countries that have more gun violence than we do are failed states where the government has little control, there's no rule of law, and everybody and their mother carries a firearm for "protection" (kind of like the NRA's dream for america!)

like Germany maybe ?

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Germany is 25,000,000

The rate of private gun ownership in Germany is 30.32 firearms per 100 people

In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Germany ranked at No. 4

Frankly i think there must be a boat load of unreported AK-47 not to mention the AK-72s which were floating since the fall of East Germany.

Germany has about 1/3rd as many guns as the US per capita (about the same as canada). It has a gun injury rate about 1/3rd (again, about the same as canada), and a gun DEATH rate about 1/10th (again, same as Canada)

You are making a very, very poor argument. The data shows that in stable societies, there is a direct correlation between firearms per capita and firearm violence per capita.

Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 2:23pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 49

FortWayne says

I bet this picture is frightening pants off some liberals out there.

Let's see, who is "frightened"? The people who want to regulate firearms, or the people who are saying, "Waaaah! Don't take away our guns; we need them to protect ourselves from the big scary bad guys." LOL.

Homeboy   befriend   ignore   Fri, 28 Dec 2012, 2:26pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 50

FortWayne says

No president has been a saint. But Reagan administration and conservatism has saved this nation at a time of dire need.

Yes, we had a dire need to illegally sell arms to radical governments, and to put Saddam Hussein in power. Whatever you say.

Now the polar left always tried to destroy the character of any man who tried to stand up to their union bullcrap. So I'm not surprised by all the attacks back then, or any today.

Since when is the truth an "attack"? And what the fuck do unions have to do with an arms scandal?

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