Profile of a Democrat anti-gun lunatic


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This is what we're up against. Just for information purposes, the murder rate from all causes in the United States is 4.8 per 100,000 while the murder rate in the US if you only look at white people is only 2.17 per 100,000 which comparable to Europe, and substantially lower than South American, African, and Asian murder rates

Murder rate by country per 100,000 (from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)

Russia 10.2
United Kingdom 1.2
Malawi 36.0
Zambia 38.0

The United States is the one if the safer countries in the world. There is a comparison.

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    leo707 says

    Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

    You mean like Obama?

    iwog says

    zzyzzx says

    while the murder rate in the US if you only look at white people

    What the fuck is wrong with you?

    If you are going to compare US murder rates to Europe, like you did in your thread, you really should be comparing the US murder rates by white people to make a valid comparison. If comparing US murder rates to Africa, the only use blacks in the US to make it a valid comparison. You know, compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges type of thing.

    I was wondering how long it would take you to find this thread, it should seem somewhat familiar to you. That and I don't think we have any any or very many parody threads here yet.

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    Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

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    Everyone knows there are no black/brown people in Europe

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    zzyzzx says

    I would think that a sword would do. Needs no permit and you never run out of bullets. Added bonus in that it probably leaves a bloodier mess than bullets would.

    In some countries you would actually need a permit in order to get a knife.

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    Moderate Infidel says

    Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

    Well, there is a whole list of things someone else does not want you to own... doesn't mean it should become a law.

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    zzyzzx says

    If you are going to compare US murder rates to Europe, like you did in your thread, you really should be comparing the US murder rates by white people to make a valid comparison.

    Really? Because you think there are only white people living in Europe??

    How about black people who die because white guns get into the hands of black criminals?

    The only possible translation of anything you are saying here is that somehow the lives of minorities are irrelevant and shouldn't be included in any comparison of murder rates.

    I am NOT someone who cries racism at any provocation but I think you really need to examine your core beliefs. I guess the liberals who levied claims of racism were right after all.

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    Why we need guns, Freedom
    1) Without them we would still be controlled by british.
    we fought gorilla war with those guns to get our freedom.

    2) In india, they preach peace. Hinduism was peaceful but then some parts evolved into Buddism. Both religions are all about peace and nonviolance. Well guess what, Muslims overran them from 12-16 th century, massacared continuously. Even now they are getting massacred and being taken advantage.

    3) No country in the world dare to occupy US. Suppose china builds up enough army and weapons, and fights us they would have to fight street by street to take over.

    4) If some Pakistani guy funded by US to create turmoil in Asia, turns against US and has a nuke, most people will atleast stop them by shooting them in their legs

    I don't own a gun one but i should for safety and freedom

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    FortWayne says

    Moderate Infidel says

    Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

    Well, there is a whole list of things someone else does not want you to own... doesn't mean it should become a law.

    There are laws preventing people from owning lots of things and for very good reasons.

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    24   3:20pm Wed 9 Jan 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (2)  

    zzyzzx says

    If you are going to compare US murder rates to Europe, like you did in your thread, you really should be comparing the US murder rates by white people to make a valid comparison. If comparing US murder rates to Africa, the only use blacks in the US to make it a valid comparison. You know, compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges type of thing.

    Here try this.... homicide victims by age, gender and race..

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    iwog says

    How about black people who die because white guns get into the hands of black criminals?

    What??? That doesn't even make any sense???? White guns?? Really???

    All that matters is who the person is who is pulling the trigger... and guess who that is in the majority of the cases?? Who's the most common "criminal" in this chart of homicide offenders?? (ie: who's pulling the trigger)

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    KgK one says

    Without them we would still be controlled by british.

    Without them, we could be speaking German now!!

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    Call it Crazy says

    Without them, we could be speaking German now!!

    And we'd have blonde hair and blue eyes too!

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    FortWayne says

    In some countries you would actually need a permit in order to get a knife.

    I didn't read the wikipedia page completely, but there was a reference to crossbows as being restricted in one country.

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    zzyzzx says

    Call it Crazy says

    Without them, we could be speaking German now!!

    And we'd have blonde hair and blue eyes too!

    Wait, I already..... nevermind.... and I took German in high school.... what does that mean??

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    I only know one word in German: schadenfreude.

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    leo707 says

    Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

    It's impossible.

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    Why is the black male rate so high?

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    zzyzzx says

    I didn't read the wikipedia page completely, but there was a reference to crossbows as being restricted in one country.

    Buying knifes in China requires you register it w/ the government.

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    FortWayne says

    Buying knifes in China requires you register it w/ the government.

    Obligatory Crocodile Dundee movie reference:
    That's not a knife. This is a knife!

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    So young people are evil too. Lets hope that stay home, spend all day on Facebook, and never cause trouble.

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    IDDQD says

    Looks like banning black males is the shortest route to no-gun-violence paradise... ;)

    See how easy that was.... now go make a call to Joe Biden and let him know...

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    Peter P says

    Why is the black male rate so high?

    Because you can't play basketball ALL the time....

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    Huh?

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    IDDQD says

    the shortest route to no-gun-violence paradise...

    ...is to end the drug war. There happens to be a similar epidemic of gun violence just south of the border with Mexico, due to the drug war and ATF gun-walking. Pointing to correlations with skin color is not productive; the question becomes why, and the clear answer is because there is an ongoing war especially in urban areas. Wars tend to involve shooting and homicide. During prohibition, people stereotyped Italians based on Joe Bonanno and Al Capone, but correlation is not causation. Ending the drug war would reduce US and Mexican gun homicides to Canadian levels. Canadians have plenty of guns too, and people of all colors, but they aren't always voting for more "war" against themselves.

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    Yes the drug war needs to end.

    But I wonder if certain groups can benefit from positive thinking. The mind is powerful.

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    IDDQD says

    zzyzzx says

    Obligatory Crocodile Dundee movie reference:

    That's not a knife. This is a knife!

    Good thing they were in NYC. In California carrying that knife concealed would be misdemeanor or felony.

    What if you were carrying it, but not concealing it. Is that still illegal?

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    FortWayne says

    leo707 says

    Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

    Anti-gun lunatics like Andrew Cuomo and his comrade Feinstein only speak from transcripts where they just say some emotionally appealing

    baloney.

    Remember, they always travel with guns (armed guards) more often than not

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    KgK one says

    Why we need guns, Freedom

    1) Without them we would still be controlled by british.

    we fought gorilla war with those guns to get our freedom.

    2) In india, they preach peace. Hinduism was peaceful but then some parts evolved into Buddism. Both religions are all about peace and nonviolance. Well guess what, Muslims overran them from 12-16 th century, massacared continuously. Even now they are getting massacred and being taken advantage.

    3) No country in the world dare to occupy US. Suppose china builds up enough army and weapons, and fights us they would have to fight street by street to take over.

    4) If some Pakistani guy funded by US to create turmoil in Asia, turns against US and has a nuke, most people will atleast stop them by shooting them in their legs

    I don't own a gun one but i should for safety and freedom

    Not true until you can resolve this.

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    zzyzzx says

    Argument: Patrons of restaurants need to carry guns in case some lunatic opens fire on everyone.

    OK, so in the extremely rare circumstance of a lunatic opening fire in a restaurant, you manage to save a dozen or so lives by everyone else having guns. Great.

    But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

    This will happen way the hell more often than a lunatic opening fire in a restaurant. Have you ever been to a bar? It's full of testosterone pumped, horny, drunk, young males fighting over pussy. Add guns to that and you'll have a massacre every weekend in every city.

    So congratulations, you saved a dozen lives at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives. Not a good trade off.

    I'll take the 1 in a million chance that I'll be shot by a lunatic over the 1 in a hundred chance that I'll be shot by a drunk guy with a gun and no criminal record because I flirted with the wrong girl.

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    Dan8267 says

    But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

    If enough of the other patrons have guns, that won't be much of a problem.

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    Dan8267 says

    But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

    At least in California CCW's often have the restriction that one can not carry in an establishment that sells alcohol.

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    zzyzzx says

    Whoever made this survey forgot two options.

    -Get immediately shot by the gun man.

    -Find out that carrying a gun does not turn someone into the hero that they think they are.

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    Crime as a concept cannot be legislated out. If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

    Having said that though there can be ebbs and flows to this. Murder rates in say medieval Britain were sky high

    Here is a website that debates some figures which with todays standards illustrate it was much higher back then
    http://bedejournal.blogspot.com/2011/11/steven-pinkers-medieval-murder-rates.html

    One item that cannot be denied is that crime went significantly down after the height of the late 80's/early 90's. There are many debates as to why this has occurred. Some suggest the economy helped since unemployment reached record lows which is pretty simple. Others get into odder concepts such as lower exposure to lead (elimination of lead paint and lead in gasoline etc) under the idea that lead exposure lowers iq's and thus leads to more aggressive behavior.

    Much can also be said in terms of what specifically "is" a crime. Of course there can be higher crime rates in the USA when a wider range of activity is actually considered a crime. Sometimes criminal behavior becomes a circle. When you add in the drug checks, background checks, credit checks and the indelible mark that being in jail can bring towards employment it is no surprise that many become repeat offenders if that is their only choice to make a living. It reminds me of Iceland to a point when in 2008 they were lumped together with the taliban, al qaida and north korea on a list of organizations blacklisted from banking and yet they were slammed for not paying back their loans..um..how could then when no one legally could accept them?

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    mdovell says

    One item that cannot be denied is that crime went significantly down after the height of the late 80's/early 90's. There are many debates as to why this has occurred. Some suggest the economy helped since unemployment reached record lows which is pretty simple.

    The cocaine smuggling were intercepted using US military assets... laws created to go after narcotic smugglers and their assets. Going after the Columbian drug lords .. which included killing Pablo Escobar (Worth some $42Billion in wealth)...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar

    as such .. the violence and common shooting by drug dealers/smugglers in So Florida dropped off in late 80s. That is why Miami after early 90s become a boom town after the people cleaned up of the drug crime organizations.

    They even made a TV show about it... it was no mystery why crime ended in Miami.

    mdovell says

    Crime as a concept cannot be legislated out. If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

    Actually you do legislate it.. as was the case above.. the biggest fear for the Columbian drug czar was a US Special Forces team storming their jungle fortress bringing them back into US or just putting a bullet into their head.. drove them insane.

    It can be done!

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    iwog says

    Why do you think it's valid excluding large American cities while retaining large European cities in your data sample? I'm really beginning to think that after years of tea party denials, most of you are simply good old fashioned racist bigots.

    You continue to ignore the idea that if this criminal activity is a problem of the urban inner city it should be solved there.
    The proposed legislative solutions have nothing to do with any actual crime statistic, they are pandering to their large constituencies of pantywaists, rather than contemplate the difficult work of solving the social ills and poverty of Ghetto America, where the violent crime is endemic.

    "After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." William Burroughs

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    iwog says

    How about black people who die because white guns get into the hands of black criminals?

    Best to confiscate my property before someone steals it?
    Really?
    Hedges is right about the Death of the Liberal Class. The pathetic remnant is the Authoritarian Vanguard.

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    zzyzzx says

    If enough of the other patrons have guns, that won't be much of a problem.

    Yeah, 30 drunk horny young men with guns all shooting at each other. What could possibly go wrong?

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    mdovell says

    If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

    The criminals in government would still commit crimes just by making them legal. Crime, as a concept, is not the same thing as illegality.

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