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Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?


By Call it Crazy   Follow   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 4:25am PST   1,975 views   27 comments
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Moments ago, MSNBC showed a clip in which "gun tzar" VP Joe Biden made it clear that "the President is going to act" on the issue of gun control, and that "executive orders and executive action can be taken." Of course "can" does not mean "will" as the fallout from an executive order bypassing Congress would be rather dramatic, especially on a topic so near and dear to at least half of America, and the response, to put it mildly, would make the Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones screaming match seems like a tranquil discussion between two dignified stoics.

If "can" however, does become "will", America may have far bigger issues over the next two months than the debt ceiling, kicking the sequester down another several months, or even the quadrillion yen tuna.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-09/will-obama-use-executive-order-enact-gun-control

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CaptainShuddup   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 4:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 1

Call it Crazy says

"executive orders and executive action can be taken."

He'll have to clear that with Iwog first.

Call it Crazy says

the fallout from an executive order bypassing Congress would be rather dramatic, especially on a topic so near and dear to at least half of America

I doubt it, nobody said nothing when he threw all of those American kids out of school and placed a slew of illegal aliens in their place, then to add salt to the wound, fired those displaced kids' parents from their jobs, and gave the jobs to those students.

It barely registered a low murmur when he invoked his executive privilege to shield the enemy of the state Eric Holder from a congressional hearing that would have no doubt netted a cleaning house of the justice department.

tovarichpeter   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 4:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 2

When will the police unions step up to the plate on this issue which directly affects officer safety, as vigorously as they lobby for higher salaries and pensions.

FortWayne   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 6:07am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 3

That'll bring tea party revolt back, probably not the peaceful kind this time.

Call it Crazy   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 7:08am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)     Comment 4

I wonder if he is following any of these other gun control expert's play book??

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Call it Crazy   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 10:48am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 5

IDDQD says

What exactly can he do by EO?

In his mind, anything he wants.... he thinks he's a dictator...

lostand confused   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 12:29pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

This is a bad move, just bad policy.

Call it Crazy   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 5:23am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 7

IDDQD says

I'm talking strictly about realistic scenarios. Seriously, what are his realistic options?

That's the issue, there are no "realistic scenarios". If they looked at the real data, they would see it's a no issue. The facts won't support a ban.

But they want to react to the emotional outpouring, so the only way to get a ban done would be with a E.O. The question would be, would congress allow a unconstitutional E.O.?? That's the question?

drew_eckhardt   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 8:22am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

IDDQD says

My question was more in line with what particular measures can be enacted by EO and have a realistic chance to stand challenge in Congress and SC. I can't think of any. Sure, he already once bypassed Congress on the issue of amnesty for illegal "dreamers", but it was done through inaction, i.e. by refusal to enforce the laws.

He can do anything within the regulatory authority ceded by Congress to the executive branch. For instance Gun Control Act of 1968 disallowed importing on-sporting firearms (this was favored by domestic manufacturers that didn't want the competition from inexpensive military surplus) but left defining "non sporting" up to the executive branch (usually the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives).

Bush 41 leveraged this for his 1989 ban on the importation of sport-utility rifles and Clinton did in 1998.

I don't think there's much room left there and would expect the executive orders to increase regulations on Federal Firearms Licensees (safe storage, reports of multiple sales, etc.).

Kevin   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 12:19pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 9

Does it hurt to be this paranoid and fearful?

Obama isn't going to take away your guns. You people are all crazy.

Call it Crazy   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 12:39pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 10

Kevin says

Does it hurt to be this paranoid and fearful?

Who's paranoid and fearful??

Just the ignorant, uneducated and emotional anti-gun people.

It's not the firearm owners, that's for sure....

deepcgi   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 12:41pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

The pro-gun side doesn't think he's going to take away their guns either. In fact, from what I can see, they are quite certain they "will not be disarmed."

The veterans resistance alone should stagger the imagination.

deepcgi   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 1:14pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 12

By the way, what's the difference between children killed by a psychopath inside the US, and children killed in military actions abroad - since congress hasn't declared war on any of their nations ?

thomaswong.1986   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 1:23pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

tovarichpeter says

When will the police unions step up to the plate on this issue which directly affects officer safety, as vigorously as they lobby for higher salaries and pensions.

even the Police are not stupid enough to allow the Anti-Gun lobby to disarm them as
the UK police have also been disarmed.

Whats the point.. they would all quit first then get killed by gangbangers...

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 1:45pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 14

It doesn't matter what a president can or can not do.

If Obama just looks sideways, the psychoconservative, ultraviolent gun culture will go completely berserk and just start shooting at Democrats, people with hair, the melanin-enhanced, etc and driving car bombs a la McVeigh to Washington, DC.

The foaming mob of cackling paranoids of the American gun culture who'll descend into ultraviolent madness will make the Wahabanists hijackers of 9/11 look like stamp collectors.

If Obama is smart, he'll get control of the Air National Guard units in Red states before they can be commandeered by local NRA ultras and the planes used as ballistics weapons against the Capitol.

Doesn't really matter what Obama does. Everything will be interpreted as the Kenyan is Coming for your Guns and Your Wife and Daughter Next - Cause He Can Rape Them at Gunpoint with Impunity.

This is going to be hilarious.

Kevin   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 2:59pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

thomaswong.1986 says

tovarichpeter says

When will the police unions step up to the plate on this issue which directly affects officer safety, as vigorously as they lobby for higher salaries and pensions.

even the Police are not stupid enough to allow the Anti-Gun lobby to disarm them as

the UK police have also been disarmed.

Whats the point.. they would all quit first then get killed by gangbangers...

It was anti government people who disarmed UK police, not a gun safety lobby.

deepcgi   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 3:15pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

Obama will not try to disarm anyone, but he WILL demand that all of the weapons, even grandfathered, be registered to names, addresses, and social security numbers. At this point, most legal gun owners will simply refuse, and Mr. Obama will be required to fine or arrest hundreds of thousands of people for their failing to allow him to abridge their rights to both privacy and the bearing of arms.

I do agree that your fantasy is hilarious, but for an entirely different reason.

Kevin   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 4:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 17

Are you this afraid of every black man, or just the ones that have power?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 8:28pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 18

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

It doesn't matter what a president can or can not do.

If Obama just looks sideways, the psychoconservative, ultraviolent gun culture will go completely berserk and just start shooting at Democrats, people with hair, the melanin-enhanced, etc and driving car bombs a la McVeigh to Washington, DC.

The foaming mob of cackling paranoids of the American gun culture who'll descend into ultraviolent madness will make the Wahabanists hijackers of 9/11 look like stamp collectors.

If Obama is smart, he'll get control of the Air National Guard units in Red states before they can be commandeered by local NRA ultras and the planes used as ballistic weapons against the Capitol.

Doesn't really matter what Obama does. Everything will be interpreted as the Kenyan is Coming for your Guns and Your Wife and Daughter Next - Cause He Can Rape Them at Gunpoint with Impunity.

This is going to be hilarious.

Mick Russom   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 1:13am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 19

robertoaribas says

wow, I had never realized your complete level of lunacy before!

yes, because since life is working out for you and your rentier income on leverage, no one else can possibly dissatisfied with the political situation allowing your rentier class to leave tire tracks on everyone else.

Dan8267   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 2:56am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 20

Call it Crazy says

Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

No. Obama is a conservative and a pussy. On both counts, he won't do anything to rock the boat.

Dan8267   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 3:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 21

Call it Crazy says

Disingenuous argument. If an asshole like any of the above ever makes it into power, it will be by the hands of the Tea Party, not by the anti-gun population. And all the pro-gun people will do nothing, absolutely nothing, to stop such a person from coming to power, even without winning an election.

How do I know that? Because it already happened. George W. Bush. The only thing that managed to limit the damage done by his regime was his party losing the 2008 election.

But make no mistake. The Bush administration and its supporters are just like all the assholes in the poster above. They believe in a strong authoritative government that operates above the law, has no accountability, and can suspend rights because the ends justify the means.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." ---- Hermann Goering

This is also page one of the USA PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, and the TSA manual.

If you really want to prevent assholes like those in the above poster, you have to protect human and civil rights, not gun privileges. You have to protect the right of Habeas Corpus, the right not to be tortured, the right not to be strip searched in a jail or airport, the right to vote for all people including convicts, and the right to peacefully assemble without permission from local, state, or federal government.

Why the fuck does the pro-gun-rights crowd not care about all those rights?

Dan8267   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 3:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 22

IDDQD says

Kevin says

Are you this afraid of every black man, or just the ones that have power?

Why emphasis on irrelevant attributes like color of the man's skin? Are you a racist?

The Pacman defense doesn't work on accusation of racism. It also doesn't work on accusations of rape. Why do you want to test the DNA of the sperm taken from the rape victim? Are you a rapist? See, doesn't work.

Dan8267   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 3:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 23

Call it Crazy says

Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

If a president wanted to get rid of guns using executive power, bypassing the will of Congress or the people, he would use the PATRIOT Act and the NDAA to do so. He would restrict gun usage to prevent "terrorists" from getting guns. The war on terror is a war on guns. Just remember that the next time you vote for the government to take away rights in the name of safety. It applies to the rights you like to have as well.

deepcgi   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 3:56am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

Dan:

Obama renewed the Patriot Act with all of its abuses of power ... twice.

He also followed Bush's withdrawal plan from Iraq to the letter, but actually decelerated the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

He backed out of his promise to close G. Bay and release or formally charge every captive. He's accelerated the use of drones within the US and sponsored legislation to make government domestic spying legal without court order.

There is no diff between the two except one listens to the NRA and the other doesn't.

If you wanted to move away from authoritarian rule you should have supported RP.

SoftShell   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 1:41pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 25

maybe monica has a sister...

IDDQD says

What exactly can he do by EO?

Kevin   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 2:09pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 26

Dan8267 says

Call it Crazy says

Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

If a president wanted to get rid of guns using executive power, bypassing the will of Congress or the people, he would use the PATRIOT Act and the NDAA to do so. He would restrict gun usage to prevent "terrorists" from getting guns. The war on terror is a war on guns. Just remember that the next time you vote for the government to take away rights in the name of safety. It applies to the rights you like to have as well.

I don't understand people who treat the NDAA and PATRIOT act similarly. Without signing the NDAA, we wouldn't have any funding for our military, which would be a big problem (I'm very much in favor of smaller military, but not "no military"). The bullshit amendments that were added to it were a problem, but what are you supposed to do -- veto funding the military? The NDAA wasn't some stand alone piece of legislation. It's an act that must be renewed every year.

If the PATRIOT act were repealed tomorrow, it would have no impact on your life. If The NDAA weren't signed, chaos would ensue (well, ok, they'd probably just fund everything through appropriations, but still...)

Dan8267   Fri, 11 Jan 2013, 5:42pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 27

IDDQD says

Your post makes no sense. But since it's past 12pm in Florida, I understand why. ;)

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pac-man-defense.asp

Also applies to any strategy of trying to attack your accuser by accusing him of the same thing.

deepcgi says

Obama renewed the Patriot Act with all of its abuses of power ... twice.

Like I said, Obama is a conservative and a pussy.

deepcgi says

If you wanted to move away from authoritarian rule you should have supported RP.

I did. I also supported Kucinich back in 2008 for the same reasons. Ron Paul and Kucinich are close friends because they both support human and civil rights despite having polar opposite economic views.

Kevin says

Without signing the NDAA, we wouldn't have any funding for our military,

And that would be a good thing. We spend way too much on the military and the defense industry, not because of actual threats, but because these organizations have grown rich from previous decades of funding and now do everything they can to maintain and maximize that funding. During the decline of the British Empire, the government agency responsible for maintaining the empire reached its peak size. Any organization is going to put its own interest before its country's.

But somehow I doubt that military funding would have gone from $900 billion to $0 billion in a short time even if the NDAA hadn't been passed.

But if I'm forced to choose between cutting all military spending and implementing pure evil, I'll chose the cuts.

Kevin says

If the PATRIOT act were repealed tomorrow, it would have no impact on your life.

Not if the government continued to commit the crimes it does under the evil Patriot Act. However, it would be a good first step making those crimes illegal again.

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