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Our loss, Canada's gain


By tovarichpeter   Follow   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 4:54am PST   462 views   6 comments
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/01/09/immigration-science-technology-engineering-math-jobs/1566164/

Kazeem Olanrewaju obtained a doctorate in chemical and biochemical engineering from the University of Iowa, but he may have to return home to Nigeria because of the United States' broken immigration system.

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Rin   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 5:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 1

Well, there's one side to Canada which doesn't get much discussion.

Granted, they give points for advanced degrees, so that one can get a green card without an official job offer from let's say a Rogers or RIMM, however, what you'll notice is that all over Toronto, numerous cabbies and restaurant workers have doctorates and even MDs, without being able to apply their knowledge to their work.

Thus, Canada's highly educated crowd didn't result in a Silicon Valley or Research Triangle Park and Toronto Metro is 1/4 (if not half) of the Canadian white collar economy, whereas Calgary is more like a shrunkened Denver/Houston [ Mountain view but w/o the heat & humidity ] energy town.

As a result of the above, a lot of predatory prop trading firms are all over Ontario, luring in unemployed recent college graduates, with a hope of them making it as a daytrader. Sure, we have the trading arcades here, but they're not all over the place, as students can actually find work at a Fidelity or Scudder, working a sales desk or a computer.

Peter P   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 6:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 2

Yeah but who wants to be on the sell side?

Rin   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 7:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 3

Peter, it's still a job and for a lot of young adults, it's a place to start.

In Canada, those kids would most likely be a receptionist or retail employee. And I'm including those in the non-healthcare sciences, as lab assistant positions are also more plentiful in the US.

Peter P   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 9:21am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 4

They do have tar sands and potash. :-)

Rin   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 10:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 5

Peter P says

They do have tar sands and potash. :-)

A lot of Canadians from my major/dept, applied chemistry/chemical engineering, are opting to go to Alberta for those opportunities. It's pretty similar to what we have going on in the Dakotas today (Shale extraction vs Sands mining), but perhaps a bit more mature, in terms of hiring, and folks aren't having to sleep in an RV in the tundra whereas it seems like the Dakotas have a severe housing shortage.

Peter P   Wed, 9 Jan 2013, 12:01pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

Albert has kind-of ski destinations. I am sure they have finer things.

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