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By CaptainShuddup   Follow   Tue, 15 Jan 2013, 3:51am PST   2,285 views   77 comments
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A school district in Wisconsin said they will review a high school diversity class that exposed students to radical leftist thinkers and promoted a critical race theory that alleges white people are oppressors.
The “American Diversity” class was taught to students at Delavan-Darien High School in Wisconsin, Fox News has learned.

“They’re teaching white guilt,” one parent told Fox News. “They’re dividing the students. They’re saying to non-whites, ‘You have been oppressed and you’re still being oppressed.’”

The parent, who asked not to be identified, has an 18-year-old son who was enrolled in the class and became alarmed after she looked at some of the handouts provided to the students.

“I felt it was indoctrination,” she said. “This is a radical left agenda and ideology that is now embedded in our school.”

The parent said the students were taught “if you’re white, you’re oppressing. If you’re non white, you’ve been a victim.”

According to handouts obtained by Fox News, “white privilege” was defined as “a set of advantages that are believed to be enjoyed by white people beyond those commonly experienced by non-white people in the same social, political, and economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc.”

Students were also given a handout from University of Texas professor Robert Jensen arguing that people don’t have complete control over their fate.

“There is not space here to list all the ways in which white privilege plays out in our lives, but it is clear that I will carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased from society,” he wrote.

Students were also instructed to visit the toy aisle at Wal-Mart for a hands-on illustration of white privilege.

“They were told to go and count the number of dolls that were representative of blacks as opposed to whites,” the parent said. “It’s meant to divide and victimize non-whites and condition whites to feel guilty and to be more passive.”

She brought the material to the attention of school officials and eventually to Robert Crist, the new superintendent of the Delavan-Darien School District.

“A lot of red flags go up in my mind when I look at the materials,” Crist told Fox News. “Her concern has merit.”

“Ideally, you would want to present one theory that might be way on the left and another theory that may be way on the right and if you find one in the middle you can present that, too,” he said. “Now you have a well-rounded discussion in my opinion.”

Crist said he believes the class was being taught long before he became superintendent. The course is currently undergoing an evaluation.

“The class will not be taught again until that process is fully complete,” Crist said.

He said the teacher, who is young, used the materials to “stimulate the thought process.”

“I don’t believe he intended to indoctrinate anybody,” he said.

But the material that has been presented to students in the conservative community did concern the superintendent.

“I’m out of an old-fashioned school,” he said. “I believe in helping kids understand the basic objectives of curriculum and not use some radical material to get a student to support some kind of a special theory.”

The parent also reached out to the Young America’s Foundation – who first shed light on the controversial course.

YAF staff member Brendan Pringle, called the course “race-baiting.”

“This course offers a snapshot of a larger trend that has plagued university curriculum for years and has only recent crept into high school classrooms,” he wrote in an essay. “Professors and teachers are increasingly telling white students that they are part of the problem of racism, and are telling black students that they are second-class citizens. This race-baiting technique is an attack on American values and can only breed bitterness and envy.”

At the same time, Crist said schools have a responsibility to prepare students for the real world.

“There are a lot of radical people in our country and across the world,” he said. “They need to be ideally attuned to some of the different thought patterns that different cultures may have.”

But did the teacher cross the line?

“Ideally a teacher is not supposed to share their own viewpoint,” Crist said. “With this type of class, the teacher looks for controversial items like that to stimulate the kids into discussing things in regard to cultural diversity.”

The parent said that’s all well and good – but the teacher only offered students one perspective and were not allowed to debate the theory.

“This teacher has free reign to pick the material that he wanted to use,” she said. “He chose extremely radical left thinkers. He didn’t give those kids alternative information.”

The parent said last summer her son got a job washing dishes – working sometimes 10 hours a day.

“I was so proud of him,” she said. “And then to have a teacher tell you that you have these unearned privileges – that because you are white somehow you infringe on other people’s rights. It’s really just awful.”

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marcus   Tue, 15 Jan 2013, 11:13pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 38

Moderate Infidel says

Yeah, what about the perspective that the lord chose white people to take over this country by any means necessary.

Great. Now you're setting up Dan or some other atheist to say in essence:

"See ?

I rest my case"

CaptainShuddup   Tue, 15 Jan 2013, 11:35pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 39

david1 says

The right is generally unable to see the shitty upward economic mobility potential of the poor in this country.

When people make that comment I wonder what do they mean.
If I have a warehouse where I make Tchotchkes out of sea shells, and I can only pay minimum wage for the job. And you choose to stay there for 20 years, guess what. You're still going to be making minimum wage, though min wage may have gone up over the years.

Before 2000 at least, anyone that says there is no upward economic mobility in this country, was blaming people for their own personal short comings.

Many people flounder though out their 20's and 30's doing menial trivial jobs, because they haven't figured out their scheme to how make more money, or what they want to do that is more lucrative. I was 30 before I got my first computer. Before that I did flooring and lived hand to mouth for a good solid 14 years. By then I was also married and had a step daughter a baby from my wife, and another in the oven. That computer arrived just in time. It consumed me, it became my passion. I was sitting infront of it every waking hour, learning everything I could about it. This was not my AOL scuttlebut play thing, I was learning. I would only go do a Carpet job to keep the wolf away, turn the lights back on, pay the rent before we got evicted, buy groceries. My wife would ask me "what are you doing sitting at home all day playing on the computer?" I told her...
"People make a lot of money doing this, I'm going to get a job doing this." She told me... "No you have to go to college for that." I replied "NO You just got to know your Shit!".
I got a job three months later from the guy I bartered a tile job that I got the computer from, as a bench tech. Then with in a year after that I got a job as a Sr. VB6 developer. I was a bit of an interloper and it took a lot of Balls for me to have so much faith in my self. But I did it. Before that I couldn't program a VCR or an answering machine for that matter. I was as low tech as they came a complete Luddite.

If were not for that computer I would still be working hand to mouth like several of my friends still are many months through out the year. Flooring is a feast or famine industry. Though perhaps not, maybe if it wouldn't have been the computer that switched that light on, it would have been something else.

I've always noticed that people over 30 have a better command of their finances, career and life than those under 30. The biggest problem today is, everyone wants to be large right out of the gate. Nobody wants to put in time discovering them selves and paying their dues. It's like everyone thinks they are all born with an honorary degree from the school of hard knocks.

SoftShell   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 40

You refuse to use the term "majority" when referring to republicans that are 'not racist', even though you self-admittedly state that you can't put any number on it.

* and we are not 'all racist' by the common, most accepted definition of 'racist'

So it would also be fair to assume, by the way you worded your statement, that you also believe "a significant percentage of republicans are 'very racist'"

If you don't want this assumption made, you should

a- not have made the original statement, or

b- stated a number, and backed it up with facts, as opposed to the ambigeous phrase 'a significant percentage', which leaves everything open to interpretation.

also...

Please provide some proof that 'a majority of democrats are not extreme apologists'. Or is that also an assumption?

marcus says

SoftShell says

You state that a significant percentage of republicans are "very racist"

Actually I said a significant percentage of republicans are NOT racist (meaning NOT very racist).

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 41

Thedaytoday says

IT IS CLEAR THAT THE republican party platform and thus every REPUBLICAN is against womans health, RACIST and disparaging to minorities.

They have no choice, God told them to.

SoftShell   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:43am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (3)     Comment 42

u sound like 121212 reincarnated...

Thedaytoday says

Such a bunch of idiots moaning and bitching about owning assault rifles and large clips with hardly any background checks.

FOOLS!

AverageBear   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:44am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 43

iwog says


This isn't one person or one school. Hell most Patnet libs are from the
institution of apology.


Yea except total bullshit. This is one person and one class, which is being
reviewed because obviously someone else thought it was stupid.


It's just more desperation from the party of rotten crying children.

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wrong, iwog. It's the dominant opinion/premise in college. it's what I saw here in Boston in the late 80s/early 90's when I was a student. I remember during 'Earth Day' in Boston (94 or 95?), out on the esplanade, and Jesse jackson is a speaker. I'm like 'ooh boy' here we go. His first 5 minutes were spent on the earth day message, which is fine, and what I initially expected. Then he starts rambling on about 'white hatred this', and white hatred' that: absolutely NOTHING to do w/ Environmentalism. I'm thinking "WTF"?!!! I'm looking around to see if other students like myself were dumbstruck; maybe see someone white like me w/a look of 'what did that idiot just say?"......and everyone was nodding their heads in approval. What did this racist bleating have ANYTHING to do w/ Earth Day?

So before you dismiss Capt's obvervations as BS, it'd best be for you to open your eyes to the college culture, because it's dominated by white guilt; has been for at least 20 years, and I see no signs of it letting up.....

AverageBear   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 44

CaptainShuddup says

I've always noticed that people over 30 have a better command of their
finances, career and life than those under 30. The biggest problem today is,
everyone wants to be large right out of the gate. Nobody wants to put in time
discovering them selves and paying their dues. It's like everyone thinks they
are all born with an honorary degree from the school of hard knocks.

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"That's the truth, Ruth".....

SoftShell   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 1:52am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 45

An elementary analysis of your writing style reveals your true identity:

Welcome back, 121212 !!

Thedaytoday says

AverageBear says

So before you dismiss Capt's obvervations as BS, it'd best be for you to open your eyes to the college culture, because it's dominated by white guilt; has been for at least 20 years, and I see no signs of it letting up.....

No you can easily dismiss CptIdiot's arguments as he is a bigoted racist

AverageBear   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 46

marcus says

If I understand it correctly, he thinks there is no reason to feel bad about
what our ancestors did 170 years ago, if there are still people doing it now.

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It sounds like you are putting words in Thomas' mouth. There is a HUGE difference between acknowledging the past and perpetuating it. Do you think the average English dude cares, or for that matter, feels bad about me being Irish? I don't think so....I think there's a fine line between acknowledging past atrocities, and perpetuating white guilt, and more often than not, some (not all) liberals run across that line..... I think the most obvious problem facing kids of all colors is those 'household units' without a Dad on the scene. Statistics here in the US for minorities w/o Dads face a harsher reality. I do think that welfare (at this current level and attitude of the general population of elected officials on both sides of the aisle), is perpetuating this sad, sad reality. Welfare/Entitlements is stripping a person's ability to earn their own living, and discover how well they can do things on their own....Fostering white guilt surely won't help the average minority try and understand what it means to bust your ass and enjoy the wealth of your efforts.

david1   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 47

CaptainShuddup says

I was 30 before I got my first computer. Before that I did flooring and lived
hand to mouth for a good solid 14 years.

Here we go - this is the perfect example of what I said earlier - Conservatives use an example of one (or a few) in a country of 50 million poor. Even if you can name 100,000 poor who moved into the middle class as you did - that only shows the probability of staying poor if born poor is 99.8%. Not great odds, if you ask me.

Think about how remarkable what you did is, especially in today's context. You were able to afford to accept as payment for labor a computer (and were able to find a barter partner). What if the flooring business didn't allow you to be able to keep the computer - what if you needed to pawn it to feed the family? Then, you were smart enough to see opportunity with the computer, and teach yourself how to use it. The same guy gave you a job repairing computers - maybe he felt he owed you still - but still remarkable considering you were a flooring guy. He is the kicker though - after that, you were lucky (with persistence, I'm sure) to land a job as a Senior BASIC developer with only one year experience fixing computers. That is quite a stretch, I think. This is one of those things where your persistence was combined with being in the right place at the right time.

All of this harkens back to the raw numbers. Children from poor families have less than a 1% chance of ever making it into the top 5% in income. (Economic Mobility Project: Across Generations).

We change that, and since a high percentage of the poor are minorites, and we fix racism.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:08am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 48

Whites are guilty of oppression of minorities in the USA.
I'm certain that is a historical fact.

FortWayne   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:16am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 49

Moderate Infidel says

Whites are guilty of oppression of minorities in the USA.

I'm certain that is a historical fact.

It was always majorities oppressing minorities for personal benefit of free labor or other tangible benefit. Plenty of people who are white skinned have been oppressed or killed too when they were in minority and there was something to gain from it.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 50

david1 says

Even if you can name 100,000 poor who moved into the middle class as you did - that only shows the probability of staying poor if born poor is 99.8%.

You know as a flooring installer for 15 years, I bet I have a stronger grasp of the socioeconomic reality of this country better than 90% of those that can recite all of the liberal Studies from memory.

What I found in poor black neighborhoods, those well past their 30's, had a house, a car, supported their family in relatively Middle class standards, just as well as the white neighborhoods. They became the guy setting up construction jobs, or landscaping accounts instead of the guy in the back of the truck. They owned the truck, it took years for them to save up and build what they had but they had it. And how dare the WHITE Liberals marginalize them by calling them stellar examples as if they are incapable of achieving goals and realizing dreams. Who's really the racist in this country?

Now for everyone of those guys, there are ten guys that chose to hang out on the corner store on a milk crate and drink Malt Liquor all day. There's nothing any social engineering can do for these people.
But there's just as many poor white trash in the trailer parks working the meth lab.

That is why Stalin and Hitler rounded folks up like that and dispatched them. And it is the same place they are headed if they cast their lot in with the Socialist Libs that claim they have their backs today. These guys will NOT fit in the Left utopia, it will defy the Liberal agenda and they will be dealt with accordingly.

Buba might prefer to stick to his own, but even he is repulsed by the Liberals blatant racism. Wake up Black people, the Liberals are only using you as a token pawn to force their agenda. They don't see warm cozy houses, painted in pastels with a white picket fence for you. You are institution fodder and nothing else.

Buba belives you can do and achieve the same thing can, where as Jarred cowardly uses you as their mannequin to advance their agenda of Socialism.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:23am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 51

david1 says

All of this harkens back to the raw numbers. Children from poor families have less than a 1% chance of ever making it into the top 5% in income. (Economic Mobility Project: Across Generations).

How many anyone makes into the top 5%?
Oh yeah that's right! Only 5 fucking percent.
Do you clowns read this bullshit before you post it?

Hell 95% of the country can expect to not be in the top 5%.
And to hear you guys tell it, the top 5% in this country are all White.
When the last names of the top richest people in this country are getting harder and harder to pronounce.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 52

FortWayne says

Moderate Infidel says

Whites are guilty of oppression of minorities in the USA.

I'm certain that is a historical fact.

It was always majorities oppressing minorities for personal benefit of free labor or other tangible benefit. Plenty of people who are white skinned have been oppressed or killed too when they were in minority and there was something to gain from it.

There is nothing to gain from oppressing minorities, it is just based on racism and fear and does actual damage to society morally and economically.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 53

Dirt poor people are just happy to have a job, they don't feel exploited and believe it or not. They do try to maintain the idea that their situation is only temporary. This isn't 1600 Europe where you're born into servitude and die into it.

Funny with all of this talk about oppression and menial dead end jobs. It wasn't that long ago, when there were large population of Whites that were Livid that illegal Aliens and immigrant workers, took their jobs from them. While Libs claimed they were Jobs nobody wanted. Now that these jobs are dominated by minorities, that the Liberals had the biggest hand in engineering. It's once again the White guy's fault that they even have those jobs, that the same White guys once felt were stolen out from under them.

These jobs were always stepping stones to get to the next place, they were NOT meant to be career paths. Which is what Libs try to label them as.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 54

CaptainShuddup says

When the last names of the top richest people in this country are getting harder and harder to pronounce.

Exactly, is it Buffet like Jimmy or Buffet like a dinner. I could never get that one.
Sounds suspiciously French.

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 55

CaptainShuddup says

You know as a flooring installer for 15 years, I bet I have a stronger grasp of the socioeconomic reality of this country better than 90% of those that can recite all of the liberal Studies from memory.

I have nothing against flooring installers but as someone who has not only taken economics courses at a University AND run several successful (and at least one horribly failed) businesses AND can actually comprehend a Monopoly game, I can safely say that you're irredeemably economically illiterate.

CaptainShuddup says

These jobs were always stepping stones to get to the next place, they were NOT meant to be career paths. Which is what Libs try to label them as.

Exhibit A: The economy is a pyramid. For example there may be 1000 people at the bottom, 100 people at 1st level management, 10 people at 2nd level management, and one overlord.

The disgusting vile lie of upward mobility which you seem to embrace can be destroyed by simple math. You cannot shove 1000 workers into 111 management positions.

The persistence of this myth in "conservative" religious dogma is helped by the fact you can sometimes outsource the bottom rung to slave states like China and India. Therefore you can pretend that your coveted cubicle job at Apple Inc. is attainable by the janitor if only he took a few night classes and got his AA degree. You can also pretend that iphones just magically appear instead of realizing the reality of 200,000 (not an exaggeration) Chinese workers in Henan province living shit lives in squalor and working themselves to death so you can fucking pretend your isolated economy actually exists.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57515968-37/riots-suicides-and-other-issues-in-foxconns-iphone-factories/

I'll say it again and again and again. YOU PERSONALLY CAPTIANTROUTSHUDDUP do not exist in the real world. You suck up lies like mana from heaven and you will NEVER EVER EVER question the nonsense you are indoctrinated with.

The question that interests me is why. The internet is screaming with data that proves your entire GOP dogma is dogshit. All you need to do is educate yourself. Why don't you? What egotistical brain damage were you saddled with, at an early age perhaps, that makes you so willfully blind to the way things actually are?

Or was I right the first time and parroting this nonsense is how you pay the bills?

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 2:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 56

Moderate Infidel says

Exactly, is it Buffet like Jimmy or Buffet like a dinner. I could never get that one.

Sounds suspiciously French.

Now Who's Cherry picking?

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 57

iwog says

Exhibit A: The economy is a pyramid. For example there may be 1000 people at the bottom, 100 people at 1st level management, 10 people at 2nd level management, and one overlord.

There's no such thing as someone retiring from 20 years or more at the same company anymore. Under these economic policies I expect the average stay at the same company to get smaller and smaller as years go by. If I'm one of the 1000 at the bottom at my first job. And I spend 20 years hopping from job to job, and am still one of those 1000 at the bottom. There will be nobody to blame but me.

You think I rolled off of the turnip truck in my sleep just last night?
From my first jobs, I was out spoken and not afraid to look for better when I didn't find a job to my liking or something I morally was unsatisfied with. There were always many Co-Workers that would warn me, "Oh don't say/do that, you'll get fired!" To which I would say, "I was looking for a job when I found this one.".
I was not afraid to walk out of any door, which is the most important step before you can walk through new doors, which is the only way you'll ever improve your current situation.

To those thousands I left behind to cover the rest of my shift after I said, "Fuck this shit!" and bailed. IF they are still in those positions. I can in good conscious say to them, "Well at least you didn't get fired. You got exactly what you wanted. Congratulations."

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 58

iwog says

The internet is screaming with data that proves your entire GOP dogma is dogshit.

Scathing tirades are not data.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 59

CaptainShuddup says

Dirt poor people are just happy to have a job, they don't feel exploited and believe it or not.

Your a "dirt poor people" statistician? How many have you interviewed to come to your conclusion?

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 60

CaptainShuddup says

There's no such thing as someone retiring from 20 years or more at the same company anymore. Under these economic policies I expect the average stay at the same company to get smaller and smaller as years go by. If I'm one of the 1000 at the bottom at my first job. And I spend 20 years hopping from job to job, and am still one of those 1000 at the bottom. There will be nobody to blame but me.

An economy, ANY economy, cannot run without 1000 on the bottom. Assuming that 1 in 10 is capable of upgrading, you think we should just say "Fuck you!" to the other 9, or do you think we should implement a minimum standard of living, like we did in the 1950s and 1960s, so workers can have a decent life, have a few kids, health care and a modest pension before he's stuffed into the ground?

You are personally fighting to make the United States like any other 3rd world country with all the misery, squalor, poverty, and hopelessness that often precede an armed revolt.

I personally am fighting to return us to an America that guaranteed a pretty good life.

Why do you hate America and Americans so much?

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:07am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 61

iwog says

Or was I right the first time and parroting this nonsense is how you pay the bills?

Parroting? I challenge you to find one single thing I post, out side of the initial posts where I may mostly quote other articles. IN most instances not only worded differently than my take on it, but also my comments usually expound on the topic, they never even touched upon. This is all me baby!
And I wish I it paid the bills. Gibme a dollah!

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 62

Moderate Infidel says

Your a "dirt poor people" statistician? How many have you interviewed to come to your conclusion?

It's a dirt poor thing for people who came from humble leggings, an apologist Caliberal wouldn't couldn't understand. It's not an insult.
Or in your world perhaps it is, what with dirt being the color of black and all.

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:11am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 63

CaptainShuddup says

Parroting? I challenge you to find one single thing I post, out side of the initial posts where I may mostly quote other articles.

You're an expert at GOP talking points. You often cite arguments published by the Heritage Foundation that while not word for word, couldn't be distinguished in any way as original thought.

The problem you have is that you can't defend anything you write. 1 out of 10 can upgrade. 9 out of 10 cannot. LITERALLY cannot because the numbers don't work.

Your answer? Fuck em. They should have been smarter. They should have chosen the right parents.

It's like a person playing chess who's gotten to the end of a learned opening gambit, and then doesn't know how a pawn is supposed to move.

david1   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:12am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 64

CaptainShuddup says

How many anyone makes into the top 5%?
Oh yeah that's right! Only 5 fucking
percent.
Do you clowns read this bullshit before you post it?

It actually breaks down like this:

Bottom 20% probability of making top 5% income: .2%
Bottom 40% probability of making top 5% income: .6%

Now,

Top 5% chance of maintaining top 5% income: 66%

You are basically 330 times more likely to be in the top 5% in income if you are born into it than if you are born in the bottom 20%. You are only 110 times more likely to have a top 5% income if you are born into it than someone in the bottom 40% (READ, nearly bottom HALF)

That is economic mobility? That is the land of the opportunity? Land of opportunity if your Dad is rich maybe.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:13am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 65

iwog says

You're an expert at GOP talking points. You often cite arguments published by the Heritage Foundation that while not word for word, couldn't be distinguished in any way as original thought.

So believing that everyone is equal in this country, and should not be used as a patsy to force political agendas is unique to "heritage foundation"?
That was a broad brush you painted with, name the topic.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 66

iwog says

Your answer? Fuck em. They should have been smarter. They should have chosen the right parents.

It's like a person playing chess who's gotten to the end of a learned opening gambit, and then doesn't know how a pawn is supposed to move.

Iwog mail me your millions then you can play the humble poor victim.
You're like Buffett Jr. It's OK you've got more money than God take a cruise and enjoy your self. But stop trying to make everyone else feel guilty for wanting more than they have, and recognizing that the ladder to the American dream is being kicked down by those that have already scaled the damn thing. And has decided for everyone else, that that route is not necessary anymore.
I'll climb the fucking tree and leap over if I have to. I might even meet several Latin and Black guys that had the same idea and is already way ahead of me.

Moderate Infidel   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:22am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 67

CaptainShuddup says

Moderate Infidel says

Your a "dirt poor people" statistician? How many have you interviewed to come to your conclusion?

It's a dirt poor thing for people who came from humble leggings, an apologist Caliberal wouldn't couldn't understand. It's not an insult.

Or in your world perhaps it is, what with dirt being the color of black and all.

Sounds like you have a lot of white guilt.

dublin hillz   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:24am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 68

To a certain extent making prudent choice in the united states such as taking education seriously, choosing right major, not having kids before being done with education, not getting bad credit as a result of credit cards/department stores cards late payments/defaults increases the chances that one will be better off financially in america. It is not guaranteed, but odds are in your favor. At the same time, it is definitely easier to maintain your standard of living all other things being equal if you are born into wealth via inherent advantages such as parents being able to hire tutors, better school districts, better nutrition, lack of exposure to violence/other destructive behaviors in lower class communities and most importantly access to connections.

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 69

CaptainShuddup says

But stop trying to make everyone else feel guilty for wanting more than they have, and recognizing that the ladder to the American dream is being kicked down by those that have already scaled the damn thing.

You're the one kicking down the ladder. You're the one working tirelessly to make sure no one can move up.

There is no risk anymore at the top. The 1% is protected by extremely low taxes, a stacked deck when it comes to government regulation, and YOU PERSONALLY working to eliminate the estate tax so generational wealth can be more and more concentrated.

The more you insulate the aristocracy in the name of "Making it possible to be rich", the more you prevent anyone new from joining the club. You're either born into it or you're barred from ever getting close.

There is one and ONLY one way to allow new people to join the 1%. Create an economic climate that causes unfit people to fall from grace. You bitch about the "lazy" workers on the bottom while idolizing the lazy trust baby at the top. It's insane but you don't question it.

CaptainShuddup says

Iwog mail me your millions then you can play the humble poor victim.

Nothing I've said is personal to my situation. If I was an ignorant drone, I'd be trying to lower my taxes just like you are.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 70

Hey I've said here countless times, I'd gladly like to see a 10% tax increase across the board to fund a federal healthcare system over Obamacare.
It's not that I'm against raising taxes, I'm against giving away more money for any administration that doesn't have the health of America as a whole in best interest. Instead of picking pet people and projects, raising billions to give the money with out any oversight. Only for it to come to light years later just how much fraud was involved when at the time the money was being handed out, it was suspected by most that there was fraud going on. But the Left and Right were to busy to do anything about it. Because you can't point out the fraud on either side, with out the constituents of the other side taking it as a direct insult. Even though they know damn well it's a free for all.

NO thank you, I'll have none of that.

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 3:42am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 71

CaptainShuddup says

Hey I've said here countless times, I'd gladly like to see a 10% tax increase across the board to fund a federal healthcare system over Obamacare.

You personally prevent this by voting for candidates who would rather let the government collapse than allow the Democrats to pass universal health care.

CaptainShuddup says

I'm against giving away more money for any administration that doesn't have the health of America as a whole in best interest.

Ah good! With something this subjective, you can always be right.

CaptainShuddup says

Instead of picking pet people and projects, raising billions to give the money with out any oversight. Only for it to come to light years later just how much fraud was involved when at the time the money was being handed out, it was suspected by most that there was fraud going on.

George Bush sent $10 billion (with a B) in cash to Iraq on pallets and it subsequently evaporated into nothingness. Nothing ever done by the Democrats in the last 40 years even comes close.

Did you punish the Republicans for this? OF COURSE NOT!!!! You voted for McCain and parroted the talking points about $535 million (with an M) lost to Solyndra that was used for creating jobs and helping the economy.

You contradict your own strongest points at every turn. You don't think we remember?

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 4:14am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 72

iwog says

You personally prevent this by voting for candidates who would rather let the government collapse than allow the Democrats to pass universal health care.

Not me buddy, I'm not allowed to chose a candidate in the primaries, I'm part of the independent majority. You wouldn't want us, voting in the primaries. Or Kusinich would have been President in 08, and then replaced by Ron Paul in 12.

Obama has not crafted anything that remotely resembles "Universal Healthcare" that's assuming that invented word means the same thing to you that it means to me. By "Universal Healthcare" I would assume it would be "Socialized medicine". Which I'm all for. Obama never once claimed he was going to create "Socialized medicine". He was all about making the Insurance companies richer. What was passed was exactly what he said he would do in 08 campaign rhetoric. The only thing in jeopardy is making religious organizations provide condoms to employees and keeping porn in the bathroom.

iwog says

Did you punish the Republicans for this? OF COURSE NOT!!!!

Wait a minute I can punish the Government? Now if you mean "Did I speak out against Bush?" Then the answer is yes. If you remember I did a daily bashing of Bush and his policies in the old Patnet forum.

dublin hillz   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 4:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 73

Rents and taxes prevent many people from saving money/accumulting capital that will allow them to eventually generate passive income and not have to work anymore. The best gift one can give to graduating college students is allow them to live rent free at home after graduation for about 5 years or until they get married (assuming that the student is hard working and responsible and actially will save the money). That is much better than financing their college education or kicking them out as soon as they get a degree.

iwog   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 4:45am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 74

CaptainShuddup says

Obama has not crafted anything that remotely resembles "Universal Healthcare"

No more bullshit. Obama crafted something that barely passed. Republicans wanted to force nothing and would be continuing to force nothing had Obama not pushed Obamacare through. Slash and burn remember? Every vote you cast is a vote for wrecking the government.

At this point, ANY change is good.

You want universal health care? STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS!

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 4:48am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 75

iwog says

At this point, ANY change is good.

TBC let's pick this conversation back up in 1/16/2014.

iwog says

You want universal health care? STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS!

I'd vote for Democrats if any were able to make it past the primaries.

finehoe   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 4:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 76

CaptainShuddup says

Before 2000 at least, anyone that says there is no upward economic mobility in this country, was blaming people for their own personal short comings.

Actually, more like 1971.

marcus   Wed, 16 Jan 2013, 10:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 77

I think Iwog hit the nail here:
iwog says

What egotistical brain damage were you saddled with, at an early age perhaps, that makes you so willfully blind to the way things actually are?

Earlier...

CaptainShuddup says

Who's really the racist in this country?

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CaptainShuddup says

Buba might prefer to stick to his own, but even he is repulsed by the Liberals blatant racism. Wake up Black people, the Liberals are only using you as a token pawn to force their agenda. They don't see warm cozy houses, painted in pastels with a white picket fence for you. You are institution fodder and nothing else.

Buba belives you can do and achieve the same thing can, where as Jarred cowardly uses you as their mannequin to advance their agenda of Socialism.

What I usually see with the Captain is an ego run amok. He is a little creative, and he's trying to carve out unique niche for his belief system here. It's all about him...and his special experiences and insights that led him to his sick right wing views.

"I made it the hard way, with a little help from my wife, and some luck ((oh wait, he didn't say either of those last two things)."

IF it's not just arrogant made up bullshit, then please elaborate on exactly how "the liberals" actually see minorities or the poor as inferior and or how they literally don't want them to be successful and are using them to "further their socialist agenda."

Details please, and logic.

CaptainShuddup says

Buba belives you can do and achieve the same thing can, where as Jarred cowardly uses you as their mannequin to advance their agenda of Socialism.

I'm guessing it's nothing more than some pathetic backwards attempt to reach a twisted conclusion, something like this

1) when these things are hashed out in the congress, "liberals" are often on the side of defending social safety nets such as extended unemployment and food stamps.

2) ????

Oops, I'm not stupid enough to come up with the remaining "logic" that could get you to: "Jarred cowardly uses you as their mannequin to advance their agenda of Socialism"

It's worse than the worst Glen Beck, Sean Hannity or Rush. All of those guys are sane compared to you.

Anyway, it reeks of two things - ego, and pretty pathetic reasoning skills.

We all are capable (TO AN EXTENT) of believing what we want. But when the beliefs are as extreme and as absurd as yours ? Dude,.. I don't know what to say.

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