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Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief


By Call it Crazy   Follow   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 1:47am PST   2,062 views   65 comments
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Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

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Wait, didn't the anti-gun crowd say having armed guards at schools was a bad idea and wouldn't work??

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thomaswong.1986   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 5:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 1

guess its working !

Homeboy   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 6:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 2

He wasn't a private security guard; he was an off-duty police officer. It wasn't a mass shooting; it was one gang member shooting another gang member. There is no indication that the kid intended to shoot anyone else

Call it Crazy   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 7:53am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 3

KarlRoveIsScum says

Call it Crazy says

Wait, didn't the anti-gun crowd say having armed guards at schools was a bad idea and wouldn't work??

Congratulations, you will help turn our schools into concentration camps.

Remember, it's "for the children"..

thomaswong.1986   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 9:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 4

KarlRoveIsScum says

Congratulations, you will help turn our schools into concentration camps.

yes.. its supposed to be a concentration camp.. how
else do you know your tax was worth spent on teachers.

concentrate... on reading writing and math ! results that
get your children into college and career/job.

no drugs, no smoking, no sex, no monkey business...

Kevin   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 9:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 5

The solution to gun violence is clearly to live in a police state.

thomaswong.1986   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 9:40am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

Kevin says

The solution to gun violence is clearly to live in a police state.

why not stop gun violence by stopping people appetite for Weed and Coke ?

the same people in the US who are paranoid over a police state are smoking sniffing plenty
of drugs which fuels all the violence and creates corruption globally..

no.. cant put the bong down.. can you ?

Vicente   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 10:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

thomaswong.1986 says

the same people in the US who are paranoid over a police state are smoking sniffing plenty

of drugs which fuels all the violence and creates corruption globally..

So US militia groups are drug addicts?

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thomaswong.1986   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 10:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

I was referring to you gutless whining LEFTY pricks ...
not the good ol' boys in the picture... they are covered.

go back to your day time TV soap operas ...

Raw   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 11:16am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 9

Nowhere in the article does it say the "armed guard" used his gun to disarm the youth. The guard was off duty, how do we even know he had a gun at that time.
The best way of preventing these incidences is to ban guns once and for all.

thomaswong.1986   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 11:41am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 10

Raw says

Nowhere in the article does it say the "armed guard" used his gun to disarm the youth. The guard was off duty, how do we even know he had a gun at that time.

there are possibilities...

version 1

the unarmed guard or person politely asked the thug gangster to drop the gun and give up..

or more plausibly...

version 2

the guard in the school which also had metal detectors.. pulled the gun and gave a
verbal warning to the thug gangster.. "drop it or your a dead m***********r"
made his point clear...

Call it Crazy   Fri, 1 Feb 2013, 11:51am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 11

Raw says

Nowhere in the article does it say the "armed guard" used his gun to disarm the youth. The guard was off duty, how do we even know he had a gun at that time.

I guess you could have read the article at the link for your answer, but here, I'll save you some time....

....."The armed resource officer who took the gun away was off-duty and at the school, but police didn’t release details on him or whether he is regularly at Price."

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 1:18am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 12

thomaswong.1986 says

Kevin says

The solution to gun violence is clearly to live in a police state.

why not stop gun violence by stopping people appetite for Weed and Coke ?

the same people in the US who are paranoid over a police state are smoking sniffing plenty

of drugs which fuels all the violence and creates corruption globally..

no.. cant put the bong down.. can you ?

I'm all for ending prohibition in order to reduce gang violence.

They'll still have racketeering, prostitution, armed robbery, and trafficking whatever else is illegal, but the overall crime rate will probably decline.

Whatever the case, I never want to live somewhere where my children feel that their lives are in such constant danger that they need armed guards wherever they are. That's no way for a "free" people to live.

thomaswong.1986   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 1:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

Kevin says

ending prohibition in order to reduce gang violence

what a load of shit. you dont want to take responsibility you are the cause of the Violence.

how different would this been if it was the American-Italian mafia, or the Triad.

but its OK to give a free pass to LATAM crime organizations operating in the USA.

Call it Crazy   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 1:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 14

Kevin says

Whatever the case, I never want to live somewhere where my children feel that their lives are in such constant danger that they need armed guards wherever they are. That's no way for a "free" people to live.

Does that also pertain to your local police force too?? Why do you tolerate them?

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 1:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

I'm not in a gang and I don't do drugs. I don't see how I'm the problem.

Your racist marginalization of minority groups that helps push them to a life of violent crime certainly is though.

Reality   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

Raw says

Nowhere in the article does it say the "armed guard" used his gun to disarm the youth. The guard was off duty, how do we even know he had a gun at that time.

The best way of preventing these incidences is to ban guns once and for all.

Better find an effective ban against theft of government property first, unless you think government should be banned from owning guns.

BTW, isn't there already a ban against guns on school campus? That's why mass shooting of defenseless victims take place in those places. Do you really want to turn the rest of the society into free-targetting zone as opposed to properly defend the schools and outlaw "gun-free-zone" ordinance?

Reality   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 17

Kevin says

Whatever the case, I never want to live somewhere where my children feel that their lives are in such constant danger that they need armed guards wherever they are. That's no way for a "free" people to live.

Do you live in a town where the police is un-armed?? if they are armed, why aren't you moving? AFAIK, the only towns in the Americas where the police are un-armed are a few Mexican border towns where the regular police have quit and a few (very brave) young girls took over as "police" and do not carry guns so they avoid getting killed by the drug gangs by being no threat to the gangs at all.

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 18

Reality says

Kevin says

Whatever the case, I never want to live somewhere where my children feel that their lives are in such constant danger that they need armed guards wherever they are. That's no way for a "free" people to live.

Do you live in a town where the police is un-armed?? if they are armed, why aren't you moving? AFAIK, the only towns in the Americas where the police are un-armed are a few Mexican border towns where the regular police have quit and a few (very brave) young girls took over as "police" and do not carry guns so they avoid getting killed by the drug gangs by being no threat to the gangs at all.

Police officers don't generally sit around the private places that I go, no. They patrol public places and that's fine.

Reality   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:55am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 19

Kevin says

Police officers don't generally sit around the private places that I go, no. They patrol public places and that's fine.

That's why individuals should be allowed to carry fire arms where the police can not be at all places all at once.

Schools are public places. Most places that have gatherings of crowds also usually have police or private armed guards. I don't see why schools, where hundreds if not thousands of kids gather, should be made into especially soft targets attracting deranged shooters.

Homeboy   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 5:17am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 20

IDDQD says

By this logic our cities, patrolled by police, are concentration camps too?

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I don't think anyone is arguing that we shouldn't have police AT ALL. It's a matter of degree. There are places in the world that have armed police practically everywhere. That's not the kind of place I want to live in. When I went to school, we did not have armed guards, and I think school would have been a pretty horrifying experience if we had.

Reality   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 5:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 21

Homeboy says

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I don't think anyone is arguing that we shouldn't have police AT ALL. It's a matter of degree. There are places in the world that have armed police practically everywhere. That's not the kind of place I want to live in. When I went to school, we did not have armed guards, and I think school would have been a pretty horrifying experience if we had.

So do you think we should pretend the psychotropic prescription drugs and their mind-altered users don't exist? or violent computer games (that usually don't have adverse effect on people who are not on those prescription mind-altering drugs) don't exist?

or do you have a time machine?

BTW, I'm not advocating for mandatory armed guards at schools, but allowing teachers and administrators who already have concealed carry permits to hide their guns on campus. The mere knowledge that school population might be armed is enough to deter those deranged mass shooters looking for easy targets.

Call it Crazy   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 5:47am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)     Comment 22

Homeboy says

There are places in the world that have armed police practically everywhere. That's not the kind of place I want to live in. When I went to school, we did not have armed guards, and I think school would have been a pretty horrifying experience if we had.

I think you're being obtuse... How many other places do you go where there are armed guards?? How about concerts, sporting events, government buildings, malls, jewelery stores, etc.

You're OK with armed guards protected a bunch of drunk football fans but are against guarding young children?

thomaswong.1986   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 9:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 23

Kevin says

I'm not in a gang and I don't do drugs. I don't see how I'm the problem.

you promote it... since you want to legalize it.. you are the problem of promoting junkies.

thomaswong.1986   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 10:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

Reality says

I don't see why schools, where hundreds if not thousands of kids gather, should be made into especially soft targets attracting deranged shooters.

or any other criminal activity.. as was the case when a group of children were kidnapped and held for ransom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Chowchilla_kidnapping

Chowchilla was launched into national headlines on July 15, 1976, when 26 children and an adult bus driver were kidnapped from their bus. The kidnappers hid the bus in a drainage slough, and drove the children and bus driver around in two vans for 11 hours before forcing them to climb into a hole in the ground. After passing through the hole, the children and their driver found themselves trapped in the interior of a buried moving van. Although they did not know it, their place of confinement was in a quarry located in Livermore, California.

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 10:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 25

Reality says

or do you have a time machine?

Don't need one. Schools aren't any more dangerous than they were when I was a kid, we just have CNN and fox news.

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 10:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 26

Call it Crazy says

You're OK with armed guards protected a bunch of drunk football fans but are against guarding young children?

They aren't there to protect the fans. They're there to prevent crime against the arenas.

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 10:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 27

thomaswong.1986 says

Kevin says

I'm not in a gang and I don't do drugs. I don't see how I'm the problem.

you promote it... since you want to legalize it.. you are the problem of promoting junkies.

Junkies aren't the problem. Try visiting a country with sane drug control policies.

Call it Crazy   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 11:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)     Comment 28

Kevin says

Call it Crazy says

You're OK with armed guards protected a bunch of drunk football fans but are against guarding young children?

They aren't there to protect the fans. They're there to prevent crime against the arenas.

OK, I get it now... Arenas are more important than kids....

Homeboy   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 11:10am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 29

Homeboy says

I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

Call it Crazy says

I think you're being obtuse...

Gosh, what a clever and original thing to say.

thomaswong.1986   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 11:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 30

Kevin says

Junkies aren't the problem. Try visiting a country with sane drug control policies.

there are none.. even the Netherlands have junkies that cause problems.

being a heroin/coke addict doesn't make you a productive member of society,
just someone else's burden to carry.

Kevin   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 1:17pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 31

thomaswong.1986 says

Kevin says

Junkies aren't the problem. Try visiting a country with sane drug control policies.

there are none.. even the Netherlands have junkies that cause problems.

being a heroin/coke addict doesn't make you a productive member of society,

just someone else's burden to carry.

You'd rather have gang violence on the streets than heroin addicts in government treatment clinics?

Because that's the difference.

Have you ever even been outside of north america?

Reality   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:17pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 32

Kevin says

Don't need one. Schools aren't any more dangerous than they were when I was a kid, we just have CNN and fox news.

I have no idea how old you are. We have much more psychotropical drug prescriptions now that turn a small percentage of users into manic depressive suicidal/homicidal freaks. What causes the kind of extreme violence that excites the anti-gun nuts is not the average risk but the fringe headline cases. Never accuse the anti-gun nuts of being rational.

Guns were probably not banned on campus ground when you were growing up.

thomaswong.1986   Sat, 2 Feb 2013, 3:22pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 33

Kevin says

You'd rather have gang violence on the streets than heroin addicts in government treatment clinics?

Because that's the difference.

Have you ever even been outside of north america?

http://www.thefix.com/content/old-addicts-holland-home9684

as I was saying.. YES.. i have been in the Netherlands .. and the Citizens pay for the drug addicts lifestyle. There is no treatment.. there is a lifestyle for addicts and Govt paid Drugs are provided.

Old Dutch Junkies Retire Comfortably

In this old-folks home, drug users who are "beyond rehabilitation" can do their thing in peace.

The Woodstock old-age home in the Netherlands might not have the youth and music of its namesake, but it does have the drugs. The center was opened in The Hague in December 2008 to keep elderly drug users off the streets and provide them with free room, board and methadone treatments. Treatments are optional—residents are even allowed limited use of hard drugs. “This is real freedom,” says 65-year-old resident William, smoking a ball of cocaine. “I like it here. Here there is no police watching you.”

Kevin   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 2:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 34

Reality says

Kevin says

Don't need one. Schools aren't any more dangerous than they were when I was a kid, we just have CNN and fox news.

I have no idea how old you are. We have much more psychotropical drug prescriptions now that turn a small percentage of users into manic depressive suicidal/homicidal freaks. What causes the kind of extreme violence that excites the anti-gun nuts is not the average risk but the fringe headline cases. Never accuse the anti-gun nuts of being rational.

Guns were probably not banned on campus ground when you were growing up.

I never saw guns at school when I was a kid. It wasn't until columbine that people started thinking that their kids were in constant danger, and yet the rate of murders at schools hasn't increased overall.

I have four children. Three are school age. I have no fear of them being shot at school, and I don't want them to feel that there is constant danger around them that requires an armed guard for protection. Because there isn't.

thomaswong.1986 says

as I was saying.. YES.. i have been in the Netherlands .. and the Citizens pay for the drug addicts lifestyle. There is no treatment.. there is a lifestyle for addicts and Govt paid Drugs are provided.

Like I said -- you'd rather have gang violence on the streets?

Reality   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 2:06am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 35

Kevin says

I never saw guns at school when I was a kid. It wasn't until columbine that people started thinking that their kids were in constant danger, and yet the rate of murders at schools hasn't increased overall.

I have four children. Three are school age. I have no fear of them being shot at school, and I don't want them to feel that there is constant danger around them that requires an armed guard for protection. Because there isn't.

Statistically the risk is indeed very small. That's all the more reason why such a small risk should not be the basis for gun bans on the entire society. If one is at all concerned about the risk, the solution should be allowing the good guys to have guns for self-defense.

Reality   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 2:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 36

robertoaribas says

Nobody, not even the non crazy liberals are suggesting a carte-blanche gun ban.

You may have missed RAW's earlier clearly stated goal:

"The only guns you will see will be in museums."

background checks on private sales is not too much of a burden; any gun store will be able to do this for a small fee.

Some of us value privacy, especially in the wake of some crazy liberals publishing the names and home addresses of all gun owners in town. Such data should not exist! The government is not capable of keeping any private information private.

magazine limits is not a serious infringement on rights. you don't need a 100 round magazine to hunt or defend you home.

100 round magazine may or may not be necessary, depending on how big the riot is, 10 round magazine can easily be inadequate in defending against a home invasion. For typical .22 guns used by women, 10 rounds fired with 1/3 hitting target may not at all stop a 250lb home invader.

armed guards at the school are not the answer, despite your assertion above. Sometimes, they may succeed, however, columbine had an armed guard who, to his credit and not to be counted on in all scenarios, shot it out with the attackers. didn't help much.

That's why teachers and administrators should be allowed to carry guns / hide guns in school. The element of surprise is of paramount value in a shoot-out. One armed defender is not enough when there are two invaders.

unless we have armed guards at the malls, movie theaters, diners, restaurants and playgrounds, or you decided to only allow your kids to go to school and your own armed home, we need something more than school safety in the discussion

Most popular venues that you mention already have armed guards or police cruisers parked outside all the time. Civilian concealed carry is even more cost-effective due to the element of surprise to the criminal. The recent Oregon case of a concealed carrier stopping a shooter at a mall illustrates that in spades.

thomaswong.1986   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 2:57am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 37

Kevin says

I never saw guns at school when I was a kid. It wasn't until columbine that people started thinking that their kids were in constant danger, and yet the rate of murders at schools hasn't increased overall.

you were born yesterday.... way too young to remember other incidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Chowchilla_kidnapping

Chowchilla was launched into national headlines on July 15, 1976, when 26 children and an adult bus driver were kidnapped from their bus. The kidnappers hid the bus in a drainage slough, and drove the children and bus driver around in two vans for 11 hours before forcing them to climb into a hole in the ground. After passing through the hole, the children and their driver found themselves trapped in the interior of a buried moving van. Although they did not know it, their place of confinement was in a quarry located in Livermore, California.

Homeboy   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 3:19am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 38

Reality says

We have much more psychotropical drug prescriptions now that turn a small percentage of users into manic depressive suicidal/homicidal freaks.

Dude, I don't think you have your tinfoil hat on tight enough.

Reality   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 3:35am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 39

Homeboy says

Reality says

We have much more psychotropical drug prescriptions now that turn a small percentage of users into manic depressive suicidal/homicidal freaks.

Dude, I don't think you have your tinfoil hat on tight enough.

What are you talking about? It's right on the drugs' disclaimer labels, usually 1-7% of users / clinical test subjects "exhibit suicidal and/or homicidal urges." That's a significant number now that there are so many prescriptions being handed out.

Vicente   Sun, 3 Feb 2013, 3:42am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 40

Proposal:

Eliminate gun show requirements about unloaded weapons. They are unneccesary and an abrogation of CIVIL RIGHTS!

Why isn't NRA calling for that?

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