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Bill to require gun owners to buy insurance


By tovarichpeter   Follow   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 10:41am PST   1,558 views   34 comments
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http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_22532760/california-measure-would-force-gun-owners-buy-insurance

Democratic lawmakers proposed legislation Tuesday that would require California gun owners to buy liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons. Similar bills have been introduced in other states after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. They include Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New York. "I was moved, like many others, being the father of two young children, by the Sandy Hook incident and looking for constructive ways to manage gun violence here in California as well as the rest of the country," said Assemblyman Philip Ting of San Francisco, who introduced AB231 along with Assemblyman Jimmy Gomez...

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Meccos   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 1:33pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 1

How about these idiots first work on getting people to get auto insurance here in california...

lostand confused   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 1:37pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 2

What a tool.

StillLooking   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 2:38pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 3

Long overdue.

And people should pay massive fines if their gun harms someone.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 10:03pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)     Comment 4

Now THAT'S the ONLY smart thing I've heard come out of all of this.
You need to take out insurance to wash your ballsack these days, but the single most deadly object known to man, no insurance is required to own.

epitaph   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:09pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 5

Just like the auto insurance measures, good luck trying.

StillLooking   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:23pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 6

IDDQD says

StillLooking says

And people should pay massive fines if their gun harms someone.

People should and do pay massive fines when people harm someone. This is already covered by existing laws, btw. Are you suggesting that owner of a gun, car or kitchen knife should be responsible by the harm done with said gun/car/knife no matter who used said object for malicious purposes?

Gun owners have obviously proven themselves to be especially careless.

Quigley   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:27pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 7

This is just a blatant attempt to remove responsible gun owners from the state. Irresponsible owners, gang members, and criminals will not pay the slightest heed to such a law mandate. Only the law abiding citizens will be forced to either pay some unset, unknowable premium or get rid of their guns. I won't pay as a matter of principle. I will deregister my guns and pay no attention to any gun laws in California if this measure passes. F--- this commie state and its pansy commie overlords. Come and get my guns f---ers!

CrazyMan   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:41pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 8

Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive!

This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional.

epitaph   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:43pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 9

CrazyMan says

Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive!

This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional.

I'm covered for up to 10,000 feelings hurt.

Call it Crazy   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:46pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 10

CrazyMan says

This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional.

Didn't they say that about Obamacare???

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 6 Feb 2013, 11:54pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 11

CrazyMan says

Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive!

Yeah but read the fine print, it wont cover jihad as a result of illustrating Mohamed.

Quigley   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 12:00am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 12

Also there is no legal precedent that I am aware of for someone to be liable for their gun being misused by another person who is not a family member. If someone burglarizes my house, takes a gun, and kills someone with it, how is that my f---Ing fault?
Pointy headed pencil pushers. May they all get lead poisoning.

StillLooking   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 12:15am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (4)     Comment 13

Quigley says

Also there is no legal precedent that I am aware of for someone to be liable for their gun being misused by another person who is not a family member. If someone burglarizes my house, takes a gun, and kills someone with it, how is that my f---Ing fault?

Pointy headed pencil pushers. May they all get lead poisoning.

To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

Call it Crazy   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 12:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (2)     Comment 14

StillLooking says

To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine!

StillLooking   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 3:04am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 15

Call it Crazy says

StillLooking says

To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine!

I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun?

What kind of crap is that?

Call it Crazy   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 3:29am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 16

StillLooking says

Call it Crazy says

StillLooking says

To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine!

I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun?

What kind of crap is that?

Just trying to alleviate your fears and keep you safe. We wouldn't want to to scared of all the nutty gun owners....

You should also consider putting lead plates over the basement windows in case a stray bullet might come through and harm you. After all, you're not that far from all the gang/drug killings in Chicago...

StillLooking   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 8:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 17

Call it Crazy says

StillLooking says

Call it Crazy says

StillLooking says

To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine!

I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun?

What kind of crap is that?

Just trying to alleviate your fears and keep you safe. We wouldn't want to to scared of all the nutty gun owners....

You should also consider putting lead plates over the basement windows in case a stray bullet might come through and harm you. After all, you're not that far from all the gang/drug killings in Chicago...

If you are not scared of guns, you must be a stinking idiot.

Call it Crazy   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 9:52am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (2)     Comment 18

StillLooking says

If you are not scared of guns, you must be a stinking idiot.

No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about..

Your issue is that YOU'RE scared of guns and you want other people to not own them because of YOUR fears. It's fine if you don't like them, but why push your fears/ignorance/lack of education off on other people?

Is that really fair??

jvolstad   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 10:34am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 19

I have a million dollar umbrella policy, in addition to my renters insurance and auto policy.

And yes, I own a gun.

Call it Crazy   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 10:38am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 20

IDDQD says

Maybe he is projecting? Look at what another anti-gun nut is doing right now in LA.

That ex-cop in LA is definitely projecting.... with lead that is.....

Call it Crazy   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 12:33pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 21

IDDQD says

Look at what another anti-gun nut is doing right now in LA.

I read that cops manifesto.... he went off ranting about AR-15's but he has a whole arsenal of different weapons and is an ex-cop. According to his manifesto, he also says he has a bunch of Class III weapons.

But the only weapon he's ranting on banning is the AR-15.... strange...... looks like another one with mental illness going rogue...

StillLooking   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 1:52pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 22

I dont want other people to own guns because over one hundred thousand people get shot each year and I don't want to be one of them.

And I repeat one is stupid and ignorant if they have no fear of guns.

And people are really stupid to add this added risk to their lives for no good purpose.

Quigley   Thu, 7 Feb 2013, 9:39pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 23

Yesterday the cops in Torrance shot two women and the truck they were driving while DELIVERING PAPERS! I saw the pic, the truck looks like Swiss cheese. I guess it looked like the one that ex cop madman is driving. So in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later MO, they opened fire.
And another man was shot earlier in the day by jumpy cops under similar circumstances.
Maybe it's the police who shouldn't have guns, if this is all the gun safety and restraint they possess.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

leo707   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 3:24am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 24

Call it Crazy says

But the only weapon he's ranting on banning is the AR-15.... strange...... looks like another one with mental illness going rogue...

He also rants about high capacity magazines, and the ease he had in purchasing silencers legally.

leo707   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 3:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 25

Quigley says

Yesterday the cops in Torrance shot two women and the truck they were driving while DELIVERING PAPERS! I saw the pic, the truck looks like Swiss cheese. I guess it looked like the one that ex cop madman is driving. So in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later MO, they opened fire.

And another man was shot earlier in the day by jumpy cops under similar circumstances.

Maybe it's the police who shouldn't have guns, if this is all the gun safety and restraint they possess.

Something tells me they are not planning on bringing him in alive.

leo707   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 3:37am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 26

IDDQD says

leo707 says

He also rants about high capacity magazines, and the ease he had in purchasing silencers legally.

Legally? Possession of silencers is prohibited in CA, so no, he didn't purchase them legally.

He purchased them out of state.

He may not legally posses them in CA, but all his weapons purchases were through legal dealers. No black market.

Or so his manifesto claims.

leo707   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 4:02am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 27

IDDQD says

He broke the law by importing and possessing it in-state. This makes the word "legal" inapplicable right there.

Sure, but the point is that there was no black market required for him to get them. He may have illegally imported them to CA, but he legaly acquired them.

It is also illegal for him to use his guns to ambush and murder other people.

Dan8267   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 5:05am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 28

I'm waiting for the Democrats to introduce a bill that requires gun buyers to get a trans-vaginal ultrasound and talk to their doctors face-to-face about gun violence and injuries.

A person getting a first trimester abortion has a greater reasonable expectation of privacy than a person buying a gun.

zzyzzx   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 10:01pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 29

mikem   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 10:40pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 30

I have said it once and I will say it again. it is an obligation as an american to keep firearms. there will always be those who wring their hands over it. fortunately, we have the constitution to protect us from that sort.

he Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

"They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania..

SoftShell   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 11:32pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 31

Have you ever considered that the bullet may have the 'right of way'??

StillLooking says

I dont want other people to own guns because over one hundred thousand people get shot each year and I don't want to be one of them.

And I repeat one is stupid and ignorant if they have no fear of guns.

And people are really stupid to add this added risk to their lives for no good purpose.

drblincoe   Wed, 20 Feb 2013, 12:19pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 32

Maybe it would be better if we made people who want to run for political office to be required to have insurance. That way when they don't fulfill their promises like balancing budgets, reforming health care, immigration reform, correcting wasteful spending, I could go on and on but you get the point. Their insurance could pick up the cost and we don't have to. Over 67 million lawful gun owners harmed no one today. Why penalize the majority for the actions of a few. Lets start enforcing the laws that are on the books already before we start making more.

New Renter   Wed, 20 Feb 2013, 1:09pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

Call it Crazy says

No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about..

Yep! An AR-15 is no different than a nailgun. Or a screwdriver.

leo707   Wed, 20 Feb 2013, 1:24pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 34

New Renter says

Call it Crazy says

No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about..

Yep! An AR-15 is no different than a nailgun. Or a screwdriver.

Well...you might need some slight modifications.

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