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Bill to require gun owners to buy insurance

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http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_22532760/california-measure-would-force-gun-owners-buy-insurance

Democratic lawmakers proposed legislation Tuesday that would require California gun owners to buy liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons. Similar bills have been introduced in other states after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. They include Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New York. "I was moved, like many others, being the father of two young children, by the Sandy Hook incident and looking for constructive ways to manage gun violence here in California as well as the rest of the country," said Assemblyman Philip Ting of San Francisco, who introduced AB231 along with Assemblyman Jimmy Gomez...

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1. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

   5   10:53pm Wed 6 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike   StillLooking says And people should pay massive fines if their gun harms someone. People should and do pay massive fines when people harm someone. This is already covered by existing laws, btw. Are you suggesting that owner of a gun, car or kitchen knife should be responsible by the harm done with said gun/car/knife no matter who used said object for malicious purposes?

2. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 250 threads 4,758 comments

   6   6:03am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   Now THAT'S the ONLY smart thing I've heard come out of all of this. You need to take out insurance to wash your ballsack these days, but the single most deadly object known to man, no insurance is required to own.

3. epitaph Follow Befriend (3) 5 threads 172 comments

   7   7:09am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Just like the auto insurance measures, good luck trying.

4. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

   8   7:23am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   IDDQD says StillLooking says And people should pay massive fines if their gun harms someone. People should and do pay massive fines when people harm someone. This is already covered by existing laws, btw. Are you suggesting that owner of a gun, car or kitchen knife should be responsible by the harm done with said gun/car/knife no matter who used said object for malicious purposes? Gun owners have obviously proven themselves to be especially careless.

5. Quigley Follow Befriend (6) 17 threads 525 comments Huntington Beach, CA

   9   7:27am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   This is just a blatant attempt to remove responsible gun owners from the state. Irresponsible owners, gang members, and criminals will not pay the slightest heed to such a law mandate. Only the law abiding citizens will be forced to either pay some unset, unknowable premium or get rid of their guns. I won't pay as a matter of principle. I will deregister my guns and pay no attention to any gun laws in California if this measure passes. F--- this commie state and its pansy commie overlords. Come and get my guns f---ers!

6. CrazyMan Follow Befriend 449 comments Boulder Creek, CA

   10   7:41am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive! This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional.

7. epitaph Follow Befriend (3) 5 threads 172 comments

   11   7:43am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   CrazyMan says Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive! This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional. I'm covered for up to 10,000 feelings hurt.

8. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

   12   7:46am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   CrazyMan says This will never pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional. Didn't they say that about Obamacare???

9. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 250 threads 4,758 comments

   13   7:54am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   CrazyMan says Next up, mandatory insurance just in case you say something offensive! Yeah but read the fine print, it wont cover jihad as a result of illustrating Mohamed.

10. Quigley Follow Befriend (6) 17 threads 525 comments Huntington Beach, CA

    14   8:00am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Also there is no legal precedent that I am aware of for someone to be liable for their gun being misused by another person who is not a family member. If someone burglarizes my house, takes a gun, and kills someone with it, how is that my f---Ing fault? Pointy headed pencil pushers. May they all get lead poisoning.

11. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

    15   8:15am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (4)   Quigley says Also there is no legal precedent that I am aware of for someone to be liable for their gun being misused by another person who is not a family member. If someone burglarizes my house, takes a gun, and kills someone with it, how is that my f---Ing fault? Pointy headed pencil pushers. May they all get lead poisoning. To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish?

12. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

    16   8:25am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   StillLooking says To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish? Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine!

13. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

    17   11:04am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Call it Crazy says StillLooking says To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish? Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine! I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun? What kind of crap is that?

14. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    18   11:18am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   StillLooking says Gun owners have obviously proven themselves to be especially careless. Sure, if you count Lanzas and gangbangers among gun owners. Good luck getting insurance premiums from them.

15. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    19   11:24am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   StillLooking says To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish? How exactly mandatory insurance on guns in California would alleviate your irrational fears of being shot in Skokie, IL? Have you talked with your psychiatrist about this?

16. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

    20   11:29am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   StillLooking says Call it Crazy says StillLooking says To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish? Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine! I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun? What kind of crap is that? Just trying to alleviate your fears and keep you safe. We wouldn't want to to scared of all the nutty gun owners.... You should also consider putting lead plates over the basement windows in case a stray bullet might come through and harm you. After all, you're not that far from all the gang/drug killings in Chicago...

17. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    21   11:31am Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   StillLooking says I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun? What kind of crap is that? Be afraid, be very afraid: in about 4 month Illinois will have a law legalizing concealed carry of firearms or, if such a law not passed, will become a "constitutional carry" state like Vermont or Alaska. Boo!

18. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

    22   4:28pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Call it Crazy says StillLooking says Call it Crazy says StillLooking says To hell with your stinking guns. Why should I have to worry about being shot because you have some silly gun fetish? Well, just continue to stay in your mom's basement and you should be fine! I have to stay in the basement because you need a gun? What kind of crap is that? Just trying to alleviate your fears and keep you safe. We wouldn't want to to scared of all the nutty gun owners.... You should also consider putting lead plates over the basement windows in case a stray bullet might come through and harm you. After all, you're not that far from all the gang/drug killings in Chicago... If you are not scared of guns, you must be a stinking idiot.

19. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

    23   5:52pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   StillLooking says If you are not scared of guns, you must be a stinking idiot. No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about.. Your issue is that YOU'RE scared of guns and you want other people to not own them because of YOUR fears. It's fine if you don't like them, but why push your fears/ignorance/lack of education off on other people? Is that really fair??

20. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    24   6:29pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Call it Crazy says Your issue is that YOU'RE scared of guns and you want other people to not own them because of YOUR fears. It's fine if you don't like them, but why push your fears/ignorance/lack of education off on other people? Maybe he is projecting? Look at what another anti-gun nut is doing right now in LA.

21. jvolstad Follow Befriend (4) 996 threads 1,128 comments San Antonio, TX jvolstad's website

    25   6:34pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   I have a million dollar umbrella policy, in addition to my renters insurance and auto policy. And yes, I own a gun.

22. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

    26   6:38pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   IDDQD says Maybe he is projecting? Look at what another anti-gun nut is doing right now in LA. That ex-cop in LA is definitely projecting.... with lead that is.....

23. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 229 threads 2,786 comments

    27   8:33pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   IDDQD says Look at what another anti-gun nut is doing right now in LA. I read that cops manifesto.... he went off ranting about AR-15's but he has a whole arsenal of different weapons and is an ex-cop. According to his manifesto, he also says he has a bunch of Class III weapons. But the only weapon he's ranting on banning is the AR-15.... strange...... looks like another one with mental illness going rogue...

24. StillLooking Follow Befriend 27 threads 233 comments Skokie, IL

    28   9:52pm Thu 7 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   I dont want other people to own guns because over one hundred thousand people get shot each year and I don't want to be one of them. And I repeat one is stupid and ignorant if they have no fear of guns. And people are really stupid to add this added risk to their lives for no good purpose.

25. Quigley Follow Befriend (6) 17 threads 525 comments Huntington Beach, CA

    29   5:39am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   Yesterday the cops in Torrance shot two women and the truck they were driving while DELIVERING PAPERS! I saw the pic, the truck looks like Swiss cheese. I guess it looked like the one that ex cop madman is driving. So in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later MO, they opened fire. And another man was shot earlier in the day by jumpy cops under similar circumstances. Maybe it's the police who shouldn't have guns, if this is all the gun safety and restraint they possess. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

26. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    30   11:21am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Quigley says Yesterday the cops in Torrance shot two women and the truck they were driving while DELIVERING PAPERS! I saw the pic, the truck looks like Swiss cheese. I guess it looked like the one that ex cop madman is driving. So in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later MO, they opened fire. And another man was shot earlier in the day by jumpy cops under similar circumstances. One man with a rifle made the whole mighty LAPD to soil their pants and start shooting at any pickup truck in sight... Pathetic. What would cops do if there were 100 guys like him? Vanish from the streets like they did during 1992 riots?

27. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    31   11:24am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Call it Crazy says But the only weapon he's ranting on banning is the AR-15.... strange...... looks like another one with mental illness going rogue... He also rants about high capacity magazines, and the ease he had in purchasing silencers legally.

28. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    32   11:26am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Quigley says Yesterday the cops in Torrance shot two women and the truck they were driving while DELIVERING PAPERS! I saw the pic, the truck looks like Swiss cheese. I guess it looked like the one that ex cop madman is driving. So in a shoot-first-ask-questions-later MO, they opened fire. And another man was shot earlier in the day by jumpy cops under similar circumstances. Maybe it's the police who shouldn't have guns, if this is all the gun safety and restraint they possess. Something tells me they are not planning on bringing him in alive.

29. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    33   11:35am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   leo707 says He also rants about high capacity magazines, and the ease he had in purchasing silencers legally. Legally? Possession of silencers is prohibited in CA, so no, he didn't purchase them legally.

30. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    34   11:37am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   IDDQD says leo707 says He also rants about high capacity magazines, and the ease he had in purchasing silencers legally. Legally? Possession of silencers is prohibited in CA, so no, he didn't purchase them legally. He purchased them out of state. He may not legally posses them in CA, but all his weapons purchases were through legal dealers. No black market. Or so his manifesto claims.

31. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    35   11:56am Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   leo707 says He purchased them out of state. He broke the law by importing and possessing it in-state. This makes the word "legal" inapplicable right there. He may not legally posses them in CA, but all his weapons purchases were through legal dealers. No black market. Sure, they are perfectly legal outside of our beloved state. There are plenty of things legal to buy somewhere else but illegal to import or posses.

32. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    36   12:02pm Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   IDDQD says He broke the law by importing and possessing it in-state. This makes the word "legal" inapplicable right there. Sure, but the point is that there was no black market required for him to get them. He may have illegally imported them to CA, but he legaly acquired them. It is also illegal for him to use his guns to ambush and murder other people.

33. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 769 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    37   1:05pm Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   I'm waiting for the Democrats to introduce a bill that requires gun buyers to get a trans-vaginal ultrasound and talk to their doctors face-to-face about gun violence and injuries. A person getting a first trimester abortion has a greater reasonable expectation of privacy than a person buying a gun.

34. IDDQD Follow Befriend 22 threads 409 comments

    38   1:17pm Fri 8 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Dan8267 says I'm waiting for the Democrats to introduce a bill that requires gun buyers to get a trans-vaginal ultrasound and talk to their doctors face-to-face about gun violence and injuries. Yeah, "stick it to them" perfectly describes current political climate.

35. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 416 threads 4,138 comments Baltimore, MD

    39   6:01am Tue 12 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike

36. mikem Follow Befriend 13 comments

    40   6:40am Tue 12 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   I have said it once and I will say it again. it is an obligation as an american to keep firearms. there will always be those who wring their hands over it. fortunately, we have the constitution to protect us from that sort. he Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87. "They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania..

37. SoftShell Follow Befriend 1 threads 460 comments Abilene, TX

    41   7:32am Tue 12 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Have you ever considered that the bullet may have the 'right of way'?? StillLooking says I dont want other people to own guns because over one hundred thousand people get shot each year and I don't want to be one of them. And I repeat one is stupid and ignorant if they have no fear of guns. And people are really stupid to add this added risk to their lives for no good purpose.

38. drblincoe Follow Befriend 1 comments

    42   8:19pm Wed 20 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Maybe it would be better if we made people who want to run for political office to be required to have insurance. That way when they don't fulfill their promises like balancing budgets, reforming health care, immigration reform, correcting wasteful spending, I could go on and on but you get the point. Their insurance could pick up the cost and we don't have to. Over 67 million lawful gun owners harmed no one today. Why penalize the majority for the actions of a few. Lets start enforcing the laws that are on the books already before we start making more.

39. New Renter Follow Befriend (3) 13 threads 2,227 comments San Jose, CA Premium

    43   9:09pm Wed 20 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Call it Crazy says No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about.. Yep! An AR-15 is no different than a nailgun. Or a screwdriver.

40. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    44   9:24pm Wed 20 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   New Renter says Call it Crazy says No, I'm not scared of guns. They are just another tool in the tool box. Nothing to be afraid about.. Yep! An AR-15 is no different than a nailgun. Or a screwdriver. Well...you might need some slight modifications.

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