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Latinos voting for Obama


By dublin hillz   Follow   Fri, 8 Feb 2013, 8:16am PST   4,359 views   101 comments   Watch (0)   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

The results indicate that Barack won the latino vote 71% to 29%. This 41% spread is rather impressive especially considering that "on paper" the reps should have an advantage with latino demographic on a couple of values issues. Abortion remains extremely unpopular amongst latinos due to catholicism. Overall as a group, particularly amongst older latinos, gay marriage is not exactly the issue that gets their support. Additionally, regarding "family values" Latinos actually practice it as opposed to talking about it. So based on these advantages the reps should have carried the demographic 66% vs 34% at least. A swing of 71% vs 29% the other way represnts nothing short of historic collapse give the intangibles - in fact the political strategist for the reps should probably be fired. There is no other way to explain this collapse other than to explain it in a way that the latinos must have been so alienated by the recent statement of republican party via xenophobia and red meat pandering towards white conservatives by being blamed for immigration and taking american jobs that they voted against their natural positions on social issues. This is an indictment on how xenophobic the republican party can come across to various ethnic groups. As such I fully expect that the next rep presidential and/or vice presidential candidate to be a minority. That is what the reps will likely do in an attempt to fracture the minority vote in the next election - rubio, jindal, playa cain will have a prominent role in next cycle.

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MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 1:45pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 62

Larry Craig.....he said Larry Craig in a sentence......Impressive my friend.....I laugh in the face of people who say republicans and democrats are different. The differences are subtle. But Repubs are certainly hypocrites on Larry Craig who is 'bashedly gay'

curious2 says

Suggestion for Republicans: try nominating Larry Craig for President, without changing the party platform, and see if you get the gay vote. I'm guessing no.

curious2   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 1:46pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 63

thomaswong.1986 says

its the 29% that scares the frack out of Dems/Liberals.

Why would 29% of Latinos voting for Republicans scare Democrats? 29% is not enough to win an election. If the Republicans' strategy is to get 29% of the vote, and for all I know it might be, then Democrats have nothing to be scared about.

40% of white voters chose Obama, along with 70% of Asian and Latino voters, and 90% of black voters.

But the more illuminating contrasts relate to religion. Romnesia's "success" was limited to voters who attend religious "services" at least weekly. Obama won among all others by 40 points. Do you think that might have something to do with a theocratic Republican platform with planks that polled at -40%?

futuresmc   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 1:46pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 64

dublin hillz says

Additionally, regarding "family values" Latinos actually practice it as opposed to talking about it. So based on these advantages the reps should have carried the demographic 66% vs 34% at least. A swing of 71% vs 29% the other way represnts nothing short of historic collapse give the intangibles - in fact the political strategist for the reps should probably be fired.

Latinos vote their pocketbooks more than their bibles. They may be rabidly pro-life or anti-gay, but when they go into the voting booth, they don't vote against thier economic self interest the way white conservatives tend to do. Republicans and their libertarian agenda don't appeal to Latinos. Remember, Latin America was the testing ground for many of the Chicago Boy's ideas, so their families learned the hard way what that kind of system does to the average person trying to work hard and raise a family. That upward redistribution of wealth and power sent many of them, or their relatives, to America in the first place. Why would they want to bring it here?

curious2   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 1:50pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (4)   Dislike     Comment 65

futuresmc says

They may be rabidly pro-life or anti-gay....

No, on balance, they aren't. To anyone other than the Republican taliban, "family values" means working hard to value your family. It doesn't mean "rabidly" persecuting other people. Even in heavily Catholic countries, most voters don't join the Pope's repressive crusades; the lessons they draw from Christianity include trying to love their neighbor, trying to remember that we are all of us sinners and should not cast the first stone, and trying to see each person as created in the unique image and likeness of God.

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:13pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 66

curious2 says

Why would 29% of Latinos voting for Republicans scare Democrats? 29% is not enough to win an election. If the Republicans' strategy is to get 29% of the vote, and for all I know it might be, then Democrats have nothing to scared about.

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:48pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 67

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:53pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 68

robertoaribas says

I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him...

50 years of the so called "War on Poverty" ..
and what do you have today ...

War on American Business and Industry sinking the American citizen to be dependent on
government programs ... bright future dont you thing so.

MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 69

Good point Bobby.....guess those Asians are just affirmative action babies, not that I'm saying that you said that or anything.

robertoaribas says

thomaswong.1986 says

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

So why'd the Asians vote for Obama at an even greater rate? I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him... All living on welfare and free phones and stuff. Did he promise free rice too?

curious2   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 70

Remember, Asia includes many countries and religions. While Republicans campaigned on declaring America "a Christian nation," the House of Representatives got its first Hindu and the Senate got its first Buddhist. Both are Democrats. It isn't about "free stuff," it's about equal citizenship. The Constitution specifically prohibits any religious test of office and any law respecting an establishment of religion. The Republicans declared holy war against the Constitution, and lost.

MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 2:58pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 71

This is why I openly have disdain for a boatload of multi-generational hispanics in New Mexico....comments like this. More common than not. Arizona same crapola....Kind of racism I was personally subjected to.....Kiss off Bobby

thomaswong.1986 says

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 3:08pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 72

Chieftain....you need to look at Dalip Singh Saund

curious2 says

Remember, Asia includes many countries and religions. While Republicans campaigned on declaring America "a Christian nation," the House of Representatives got its first Hindu and the Senate got its first Buddhist.

MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 3:12pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 73

Hispanic with good parenting.....geez....how to act 'asian' 101....Imagine that

robertoaribas says

thomaswong.1986 says

quality vs quantity ? it will show over the long run, those who pull themselves by the bootstrap do a lot better.

So why'd the Asians vote for Obama at an even greater rate? I guess they are all just lazy butts too, like those lazy blacks and browns that voted for him... All living on welfare and free phones and stuff. Did he promise free rice too?

robertoaribas says

I grew up in a college town. they used the local student population for tons of research, and I have no doubt that a part of my ability to score extraordinarily high on IQ tests, has to do with taking so freaking many of them, and other tests as well. You do get better with practice. On other tests, having a couple of romance languages as a kid (and reading non stop, we weren't allowed to watch tv) gives me a tremendous advantage on vocabulary tests. Even if I don't know a word, I can probably guess the correct answer on a multiple choice, due to similarity of many obscure English words and their Latin based roots.

The math part, maybe i was just born with that!

curious2   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 3:26pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 74

MMR says

Dalip Singh Saund

Thanks - very interesting - though he seems to have been Sikh and wore a turban, only calling himself Hindu as a generalization referring to India.

thomaswong.1986   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 3:30pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 75

MMR says

robertoaribas says

I grew up in a college town. they used the local student population for tons of research, and I have no doubt that a part of my ability to score extraordinarily high on IQ tests,

oh yes.. this must be UC Berzerkly... a joke in the SF Bay Area... especially us Hicks from the South Bay...

MMR   befriend   ignore   Mon, 11 Feb 2013, 3:35pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 76

Touche

curious2 says

MMR says

Dalip Singh Saund

Thanks - very interesting - though he seems to have been Sikh and wore a turban, only calling himself Hindu as a generalization referring to India.

Kevin   befriend   ignore   Tue, 12 Feb 2013, 2:53am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 77

thomaswong.1986 says

robertoaribas says

Did he promise free rice too?

these numbers fluctuate over the years..

actually, this current generation of young asians/latinos do expect free things from the govt. But again, that is a far cry from those from my generation. so not a big concern into the future as they mature... in the long run, they will not be so dependable on Govt hand outs as they see others who make it without govt handouts. Not even Reagan lasted long as a Democratic.

The entire premise of the 'handout' argument is fucking moronic too, since people who receive 'handouts' don't vote democrat in particularly large numbers. There is, at best, a slight majority. Most people on assistance simply don't vote at all!

The simple fact of the matter is that most minorities vote democrat because they perceive republicans as racist. Because there are a lot of racist republicans. Wealthy, poor, whatever, it doesn't matter. People won't vote for you if they think you hate them. Having token minorities like Herman Cain and Bobby Jindal isn't enough.

If republicans want to stop being perceived as racist, they should try not being racist.

CL   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 5:56am PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 78

robertoaribas says

you do realize saying I and other Latinos voted for Obama for handouts makes you an incredibly insulting asshole right?

Can you email this quote to the GOP leadership ASAP?!?!?!?!

Although, there was that guy last night. I think he was some kind of Spaniard. As a Mexican, I now want to vote for the Republican party. Because that guy's country was conquered by the same European Country that conquered mine!

Viva La Limbaugh!

Quigley   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 6:54am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 79

Here's a hard and fast rule for you racists out there: "don't hate! Because whichever group you hate will someday end up a part of your family."

I think my white parents started kinda racist. Not so much haters, but they had definite ideas of which people were "quality" and which were not. 40 years later there are Latinos, Philippinos, Thai, and black people in their family. And they have grandchildren that they love who look nothing like them.
Racism is an unfortunate condition, but it can be cured! Not through more hate, but through love and knowledge.
Today's racist might become tomorrow's miscenogist.
We fight not against evil people, but against evil ideas.

FortWayne   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 7:07am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 80

Some of you need to stop pretending that only white people are capable of racism. We are all human and all carry our own prejudices. It's only racist if you act upon your prejudice to victimize others.

FortWayne   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 7:09am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 81

Kevin says

The entire premise of the 'handout' argument is fucking moronic too, since people who receive 'handouts' don't vote democrat in particularly large numbers. There is, at best, a slight majority. Most people on assistance simply don't vote at all!

Come to my neighborhood, you'll get an eyeload of people on handouts voting for Democrats religiously.

CL   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 8:10am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 82

FortWayne says

Some of you need to stop pretending that only white people are capable of racism. We are all human and all carry our own prejudices. It's only racist if you act upon your prejudice to victimize others.

That ignores the reality of white privilege, no?

And it ignores the reality that many white GOP voters want to maintain their unearned privilege at all costs.

The Dems don't want "equal outcomes" as is often portrayed by the right...they want an even playing field and for everyone to be given a shot.

I think that many in the white majority are afraid that their Latino, Asian, Black brothers and sisters might actually win in a fair competition.

And that scares the bejeesus out of them.

Mark D   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 8:32am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 83

CL says

I think that many in the white majority are afraid that their Latino, Asian, Black brothers and sisters might actually win in a fair competition.

my dad (Tom Leykis) said that this country was found on bullshit and is run by bullshit.

very true if you think about it, the Constitutions said "all men are created equal" or something like that. but the negroe's 'n bitchez aint got no vote. ngome 'm sayin?

ok the white men may argue that "no one ever said "women" you idiots!" but since when "equal" means 3/5? you don't need to be Asian to see this!

so that makes you ponder, is that "freedom and liberties for all" only for white folks???

foxmannumber1   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 8:58am PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 84

CL says

That ignores the reality of white privilege, no?

And it ignores the reality that many white GOP voters want to maintain their unearned privilege at all costs.

The Dems don't want "equal outcomes" as is often portrayed by the right...they want an even playing field and for everyone to be given a shot.

All of this is 100% opposite of reality.

There is no such thing as white privilege. What you consider white privilege is earned privilege. Whites built the US from scratch for whites. There was virtually no non white immigration before 1965, which is the same time as the "civil rights movement" and when the country started to become separated and fall apart.

If democrats wanted equal opportunity and not equal outcomes then they would judge non whites on the "content of their character" and not the "color of their skin". They would demand that all AA/EO programs end immediately and all the recipients of AA/EO would re-compete for their jobs with members of all races based on individual merit. Democrats do not want this as whites are genetically more intelligent than blacks/latinos and would be selected for more jobs than blacks/latinos when hired based on a subjective scale.

LBJ's civil rights experiment was nothing more than a faithful guess. No liberal had proof that blacks could operate on the level of whites. He just wished it to be true with no proof. The result is trillions of dollars wasted on closing an achievement gap that has literally not moved 1 inch in 50 years.

Once again, blacks and latinos are worse off in the US because they are genetically less intelligent than the majority race in the US, which is white people. This is backed up by countless non racially biased IQ tests.

An IQ test is the best measurement of intelligence that the modern world has come up with aside from "real life", which blacks and latinos also perform poorly in.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 9:11am PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike (2)     Comment 85

when did it change from hispanic to latino?? why did it change?? my guess, someone did a poll and found "latino" was more accepted. That's how libs roll.

latin - I am one. It is not a race. Like it or hate it, it is not racism. Put the "o" on the end if you are feeling particularly frisky.
hispanic - does not exist, just made up from thin air, just like using "gay" to mean male/male sodomite.
chicano - does not exist, just made up.
la razza - does exist. It's a really stupid group of people that think the above are races. The corrct name would be el grupo de pendejos!

curious2   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 9:35am PST   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 86

Latino refers to Latin American, usually males of Latin American descent (Latina refers to females, Latino can refer to males or groups comprising both males and females). Hispanic refers to Spanish, including Spain and most of Latin America. For example, Brazilians are Latino but not Hispanic, while Spaniards are Hispanic but not Latino.

Bop69, you really should read more widely so you would seem less like an ignorant troll. Alas, your unfulfilled obsession with "male/male coupling" seems to prevent you from learning about anything else.

Kevin   befriend   ignore   Wed, 13 Feb 2013, 3:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 87

foxmannumber1 says

What you consider white privilege is earned privilege

Being pushed out of your mothers vagina doesn't count as "earning" anything.

foxmannumber1 says

Once again, blacks and latinos are worse off in the US because they are genetically less intelligent than the majority race in the US, which is white people. This is backed up by countless non racially biased IQ tests.

If race was the defining factor in IQ, explain why american blacks have IQs 20-30 points above their African peers. Explain why white eastern Europeans have IQs 10-15 points below genetically the same "race" Americans and western Europeans.

Explain the Flynn effect. Explain why the gap between black and white IQ shrank by 8 points in the last 20 years.

The biggest factor correlated with IQ is childhood nutrition. Nothing else even comes close. Childhood nutrition is closely correlated with poverty (as is infectious disease, the second most strongly correlated factor).

You keep saying that "studies" "prove" that black people have lower IQs because they are black. I wonder if you've ever read a single one of these studies, since that's explicitly not the conclusion that the researchers have actually drawn.

dublin hillz   befriend   ignore   Thu, 14 Feb 2013, 1:45am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 88

CL says

That ignores the reality of white privilege, no?

By white priviledge, do you mean specifically those groups that are the descendants of anglo saxons/german/irish european settlers or do you mean anyone who looks white at first glance such as even eastern european jews and mexicans from jalisco?

FortWayne   befriend   ignore   Thu, 14 Feb 2013, 2:21am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 89

curious2 says

Latino refers to Latin American, usually males of Latin American descent (Latina refers to females, Latino can refer to males or groups comprising both males and females). Hispanic refers to Spanish, including Spain and most of Latin America. For example, Brazilians are Latino but not Hispanic, while Spaniards are Hispanic but not Latino.

Hispanic is a pure government made up term, it refers to everyone south of the border now a days.

Latin just refers to the language, because countries south of the border speak languages derived from Latin hence it's "Latin America". It has nothing to do with race again, just language, not descent.

But we all