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Birth Of Consumer Culture - Business Insider


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http://www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2 The con of getting people to buy what they desire instead of what they need was planned by a banker.

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HEY YOU   Sun, 24 Feb 2013, 3:47pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 1

Who said that "Public Relations is getting someone to buy something not because they need it but because it will make them feel better" ?

thomaswong.1986   Mon, 25 Feb 2013, 3:49pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 2

bgamall4 says

The con of getting people to buy what they desire instead of what they need was planned by a banker.

there are days... someone needs to put into the waiting line... Soviet style...

see how it feels!

http://m.csmonitor.com/1986/1117/esoviet.html

Where does the waiting line lead?

By Vladimir Solovyov and Elena Klepikova / November 17, 1986

THERE are frequent misunderstandings in foreigners' judgments of Soviet society -- points on which there is total incomprehension, and hence a feeling that Soviet life is truly inscrutable. It seems to us that these are because Westerners -- scientists, politicians, journalists, or tourists -- do not take into account the main factor governing the day-to-day life, social contacts, psychological reactions, political sympathies, and even the ideals of the Soviet person.

That main factor is the waiting line.

Like mournful, irritating background music, the waiting line accompanies a Soviet person throughout life, from birth to death. First, there is the queue for pacifiers, feeding bottles, and diapers; then the line (with special tickets and a policeman on duty at the store's door) for a wedding dress; and finally, the line for the black slippers in which Soviet people bury their dead. Many of a Russian's notions about life and the universe are formed by the waiting line. And if, in our childhood, standing in round-the-clock waiting lines for flour, sugar, and eggs, we looked up at the sky, it was only to see which line was moving faster -- ours or the one in the heavens.

There is almost no product or thing in the Soviet Union for which there have not been waiting lines. One is familiar with the classic lines for fruits and vegetables, newspapers, thermometers, New Year's trees, toilet paper, men's socks, meat, absorbent cotton and gauze, razors, pillows, underwear, shoes; the line in front of Lenin's Tomb -- and of course, the lifelong wait for an apartment.

The simple word ``buy'' has virtually disappeared from the Russian language in favor of terms like ``scrounge,'' ``rip off,'' and other synonyms. The same is true of the word ``sell.'' A Soviet person, taking his place in a line, never asks, ``What are they selling?'' but ``What are they giving out?'' or ``What are they throwing out?''

thomaswong.1986   Mon, 25 Feb 2013, 3:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 3

Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Socialists at Occupy Wall Street

JodyChunder   Mon, 25 Feb 2013, 5:18pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 4

The only argument one needs to make for capitalism - or more generally, the profit principle - over socialism is automobile design.

Sachsenring Trabant:

Ferrari Daytona:

thunderlips11   Mon, 25 Feb 2013, 10:14pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 5

bgamall4 says

http://www.businessinsider.com/birth-of-consumer-culture-2013-2 The con of getting people to buy what they desire instead of what they need was planned by a banker.

Fantastic documentary, "Century of the Self." Lots of humorous moments, too.

bgamall4   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 3:29am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

thomaswong.1986 says

there are days... someone needs to put into the waiting line... Soviet style...

Oh, I see Wong. If you don't buy what you desire, what you don't need, you are a communist?? Wrong, Wong.

bgamall4   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 3:31am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

thomaswong.1986 says

Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Socialists at Occupy Wall Street

Controlling the big banks insures capitalism as a success. You want to put capitalism into dangerous territory? Then let the banksters do what they want.

bgamall4   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 3:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

JodyChunder says

The only argument one needs to make for capitalism - or more generally, the profit principle - over socialism is automobile design.

Jody, people can make a fair profit on what others need. The problem with instilling desire is that the banksters can then make an easy money loan so you end up losing the fancy car!! :)

CaptainShuddup   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 4:20am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 9

You don't think people rode their horse and buggy 25 miles to town in 1850, just so they could buy the latest apparatuses and contraptions?

Out houses were the place where the original Sears and Roebucks catalogs were kept. While often it was the only paper there, it was not used for but whipping.

1911:
Sears begins offering its customers credit.
Sears started the consumer culture, and was credited for creating consumer credit. They were the first to offer goods from their catalogs on a revolving credit line.

bgamall4   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 5:50am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 10

"They were the first to offer goods from their catalogs on a revolving credit line."

Revolving means never ending. Nice research, Captain.

mell   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 5:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

bgamall4 says

thomaswong.1986 says

there are days... someone needs to put into the waiting line... Soviet style...

Oh, I see Wong. If you don't buy what you desire, what you don't need, you are a communist?? Wrong, Wong.

I think you both have a point. As much as I want prosecutions for the fraud they committed I don't think they should be held accountable for "creating desire". This is mostly a problem with the US society, there may be other countries which exhibit similar consumerism, but the majority does not. The people have the power to stop shopping for stuff they don't really need and avoiding debt, nobody puts a gun to their head to buy.

bgamall4   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 6:48am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 12

mell says

As much as I want prosecutions for the fraud they committed I don't think they should be held accountable for "creating desire"

No, there is no law, nor should there be a law against creating desire. I agree there, Wong.

But there should be laws against the easy money that can destroy society in the creating of desire. When it comes to housing, that is a real danger.

JodyChunder   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 11:22am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 13

bgamall4 says

The problem with instilling desire

I know...I just think sometimes there's an argument for desire/lust, in that, if nothing else, it provides us with some damn sexy durables.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 26 Feb 2013, 4:20pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

bgamall4 says

But there should be laws against the easy money that can destroy society in the creating of desire.

yes.. is called a planned economy as the Soviets had with Gosplan.. which didnt work and frankly destroyed their nation. But the vodka was cheap!

New Renter   Wed, 27 Feb 2013, 12:26am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

JodyChunder says

Sachsenring Trabant vs. Ferrari Daytona:

A more fair comparison would be this:

1963 Sachsenring Trabant:

1961 Saab 96:

East vs. West, neither is a shining example of automotive awesomeness, that is unless you enjoy huffing oily blue smoke.

New Renter   Wed, 27 Feb 2013, 12:29am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 16

JodyChunder says

bgamall4 says

The problem with instilling desire

I know...I just think sometimes there's an argument for desire/lust, in that, if nothing else, it provides us with some damn sexy durables.

Well then, here you go!

bgamall4   Wed, 27 Feb 2013, 2:18am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 17

thomaswong.1986 says

yes.. is called a planned economy as the Soviets had with Gosplan.. which didnt work and frankly destroyed their nation. But the vodka was cheap!

The difference is that now the banksters keep the profits not the communist party. So, Thomas, it is more like fascism than communism. Saying it is communism is the John Birch/Glenn Beck lie. The Koch Bros, who made Glenn Beck rich, had a father who cofounded the John Birch Society. Eisenhower called them "fringe".

Now they are mainstream fringe.

The reason they wanted to blame communism is because they already hated communism and wanted to add this lie to get others to hate communism even more. Communism failed. Banksterism is succeeding.

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