America's doctors are overpaid


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http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/02/american_doctors_are_overpaid_medicare_is_cheaper_than_private_insurance.html

American health care costs a lot because the prices Americans pay for health care services are very high. And hospitals charge those high prices for the same reason any other business would—because they can. It’s easy to see why a health care provider is almost uniquely well-positioned to bilk you. If you don’t get treatment, you or someone you love might die. It’s a high-pressure emotional situation that makes it extremely difficult to bargain, comparison shop, or just decide to cut back. Most of us, fortunately, get to outsource most of that bargaining to our insurance companies. Cold-blooded executives, not...

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  1. Rin


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    114   12:23pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Homeboy says

    Rin says

    Read chanakya4773's comments on the firemen, in terms of saving lives and the payscale.

    Oh, I see. You acknowledge the validity of the argument when it's used by someone you agree with, but claim it's an invalid argument when I use it. Nice....

    OK, so how many firemen do you know, who earn from $200K to $300K? Yes, I'm now using your argument concerning payscale.

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    chanakya4773 says

    Very easy to fix it..lets create a third party which will put all these requirements for firefighters given the nature of their work.

    1) 10 years over-training with 400K per year tuition ( only one school will be allowed in the whole country to train them to create "high quality" firefighters. only 100 seats will be available.)

    2) Need to be 6 feet tall or more

    3) should be able to jump 6 feet or more

    4) Is insensitive to heat.

    Now , when you are stuck in a fire in your house, the firefighter will demand 1 million dollars to save you because he had to do 1) 2) 3) and 4) and also because he is "SAVING LIVES"

    you will not have any choice but to pay the million dollars.

    Excellent, now you see where I'm coming from.

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    Rin says

    Homeboy, are you a moron? You don't have to support U2. You can support your local band.

    I can't tell anyone to take R-LA for type 2 diabetes w/o being charged for practicing medicine w/o a license. Can't you see the difference?

    Please, point out the strawman above.

    It's ALL strawman.

    What are you, a fucking troll? Still going with the strawman, but you added ad hominem and misdirection for the trifecta!

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    Homeboy says

    What are you, a fucking troll? Still going with the strawman, but you added ad hominem and misdirection for the trifecta!

    Yah, you've completely lost it. No one's been posting strawmen. You just can't win an argument ... no examples, no line of reasoning, zippo.

    Anyways, everyone's already collapsing on you.

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    118   12:35pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Rin says

    OK, so how many firemen do you know, who earn from $200K to $300K?

    How many physicians do you know who only have a high school education?

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    Rin says

    Yah, you've completely lost it. No one's been posting strawmen. You just can't win an argument ... no examples, no line of reasoning, zippo.

    Anyways, everyone's already collapsing on you.

    Sure, whatever you say, troll.

    Here's a song for you, strawman:

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    Homeboy says

    Rin says

    OK, so how many firemen do you know, who earn from $200K to $300K?

    How many physicians do you know who only have a high school education?

    You've already heard all the jazz about education in the above threads.

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    121   12:51pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    Quit saying Doctors earn their money.

    The last time I checked we got a $1200 dollar bill just for the Doctor to tell us what we already knew and give my wife a glorified aspirin. He was in the room for a grand total of 10 minutes. After a three hour wait in the split back gown.

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    122   12:51pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    That's the spirit

    Rin says

    Yes, when (not if) I become a doctor, I will never get online and tell ppl that doctors are a gem of society. Instead, I'll say that unlike some (whose names I won't mention), I've done the best that I could. And if that basically turns me into an adjunct physical therapist or nutritionist then so be it. I'm sure I could survive on my earnings from the HF work for some time.

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    123   1:02pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)  

    chanakya4773 says

    THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER SERVICE WHICH DOES NOT HAVE PROTECTIONISM.

    For a while there, I was beginning to think that I was the only one really fired up about this topic :-)

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    124   2:26pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    turtledove says

    Just to clarify... With respect to doctors, what is your definition of "overpaid?" (Precisely, what is the dollar amount?)

    Respectfully, I look at the issue in a different way. I never bothered much about whether bankers were overpaid until they bankrupted their banks and got bailed out by TARP/QE/ZIRP. Prior to that, their argument was the same as Meccos: they were smart and worked very hard and sacrificed with long hours, so they "deserved" all that the market would pay them. Since TARP/QE/ZIRP, I say they were overpaid and still are, because obviously all their "knowledge" and "work" didn't add up to running a bank successfully, and their "sacrifice" of long hours (that I never asked for anyway) doesn't give them a claim to government bailouts.

    With Obamacare's mandatory insurance, doctors are now in the same position.

    TARP bankers, muggers, and now alas doctors are overpaid because they (or your own government) put a gun to your head and demand "all your money" (or in the case of Obamacare, "all you can afford") whether you agree or not. At least muggers don't pretend to deserve it, and they are the lowest paid on the list.

    Meccos has made several very defensive and aggressive posts about how if you don't like doctors you can always see a shaman. Lately the line has been blurring, e.g. Homefool's SSRIs, but that isn't the only problem. Another problem is bundling and tying, which in retail can be illegal but in medicine is common practice. The Rx mandate prohibits you from buying any medicine without first paying a doctor for permission, and most doctors don't even tell you in advance what they will charge so you can't know if it's worthwhile, and besides there are a million different prices depending on which insurance you're using, and if you don't use insurance they are required by their insurance contracts to overcharge you most of all.

    Less than a century ago, doctors made house calls, stated honest prices and stuck to them, worked for their patients, and made a good living. Those doctors were not overpaid, even though of course people complain about having to pay any expense, even options like cable TV. BTW house calls are often the best general medicine, because a doctor looking at your house and the people you live with can see many clues about what's wrong with you, which helps a lot in diagnosis and the best treatment might be to look in your kitchen and tell you which foods to stop buying and what to buy instead. Dr Oz and Matthew Roizen did a great TV series on this, they said they'd saved more lives visiting people's kitchens than operating on their hearts.

    Most of today's doctors work for hospital corporations, insurance companies, and/or large corporate networks. They have lost their independence, they charge outrageous fees that they don't even know let alone control, and they have a monopoly on the entire medical formulary. In Germany, where aspirin was invented, you can't even buy aspirin without an Rx. In America, you can't buy morphine, but doctors will happily prescribe you fraudulently marketed OxyContin at 20x the price. To say they are overpaid isn't so much about the numbers, in fact some life-saving doctors don't even make as much as Homefool's pushers; rather, doctors are mispaid, because the amount they make has little to do with the value of the service they provide, and the public are forced to pay whether we want them or not.

    We live in an era of lemon socialism, with Fed bankers and the medical industrial complex harvesting Americans like CAFO cattle. If a mugger gets away with $1, he is overpaid. If a dermatologist makes $1 million honestly, quoting prices up front, doing good work, and building up a reputation so that movie stars seek her out, she is not overpaid. The AMA represents less than 20% of doctors, but makes $ on billing codes that nobody can understand and that will be mandatory via Obamacare, so the AMA endorsed Obamacare. In doing that, the AMA abandoned the honest doctors, and cast its lot with the TARP/ZIRP/QE muggers. Muggers are, by definition, overpaid.

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    Homeboy says

    There seems to be an epidemic of missing the point in this thread. Shall we review?

    I'm barely in this argument, but I mentioned that only because it seems like ball players are actually paid fairly. People think they live luxurious lifestyles, and sure, some do. But the ones that do don't do so for long, unless they invest wisely. Otherwise, it's a short career with lots of physical damage for an extremely elite group of folks.

    I'd rather be an Executive than a ballplayer. Executives (and the Bush administration) tend to fail upwards. And they're knees are in better shape.

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    In recent years, I thought this was a good idea. But this is something I didn't even think about.

    curious2 says

    BTW house calls are often the best general medicine, because a doctor looking at your house and the people you live with can see many clues about what's wrong with you, which helps a lot in diagnosis and the best treatment might be to look in your kitchen and tell you which foods to stop buying and what to buy instead. Dr Oz and Matthew Roizen did a great TV series on this, they said they'd saved more lives visiting people's kitchens than operating on their hearts.

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    I may be incorrect about this but while traditionally, Emergency medicine docs didn't make the big bucks, they are doing significantly better nowadays. It's stressful, but a lot of people working in Emergency medicine like the work schedule. Many places, it is one week on/one week off.

    On average, I think that ER docs are doing better than Psych docs. It is certainly more competitive to get an ER residency than a psych residency.

    In places like New Jersey where there is a "shortage" of Psych docs, those guys are doing quite well by not taking insurance.

    curious2 says

    To say they are overpaid isn't so much about the numbers, in fact emergency doctors don't make nearly as much as Homefool's pushers; rather, doctors are mispaid, because the amount they make has little to do with the value of the service they provide, and the public are forced to pay whether we want them or not.

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    MMR says

    On average, I think that ER docs are doing better than Psych docs. It is certainly more competitive to get an ER residency than a psych residency.

    Thanks - I hadn't updated recently, and I see now that current numbers corroborate your opinion. This site shows current starting salaries for both critical care and psych around $200k, with psych being slightly lower:

    http://www.profilesdatabase.com/resources/2011-2012-physician-salary-survey

    So, I'll stop saying that emergency doctors make less than Homefool's pushers. It used to be true, but the numbers have apparently changed recently. I continue though to believe that Homefool's SSRI pushers are overpaid because we are all required to pay them even when they confer no value, e.g. the cost of his disproved SSRI coverage must be shifted onto all of us because he can't afford it on his own, nevermind that it does no good for anyone.

    BTW, in terms of medical practice areas, you might want to consider sports medicine or even the military. The patients tend to be highly functional, they might need help with specific problems but they aren't generally self-destructive. I would worry about Lance Armstrong situations though, even at the teenage level kids are trying to bulk up with steroids etc. Otherwise much of current medicine consists of managing self-destructive people as profitably as possible: every complaint results in another test and every test results in another prescription, no time to listen, etc.

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    Rin says

    You've already heard all the jazz about education in the above threads.

    That's your argument? Lame.

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    CL says

    I'm barely in this argument, but I mentioned that only because it seems like ball players are actually paid fairly.

    Fair's got nothing to do with this, but since you brought it up, if you think $5 million a year (average NBA salary) is "fair" for someone to throw a ball around, but $200,000 (average doctor salary) isn't fair for someone to save lives, then you need to have your head examined. I would suggest seeing a doctor. ;)

    CL says

    People think they live luxurious lifestyles, and sure, some do. But the ones that do don't do so for long, unless they invest wisely. Otherwise, it's a short career with lots of physical damage for an extremely elite group of folks.

    They make more money in a single year than most people make in their ENTIRE LIFE. Then, on top of that, they retire with a pension. If you can't survive on that amount of money, you're a complete fucking moron. What part of that don't you understand?

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    CaptainShuddup says

    Quit saying Doctors earn their money.

    The last time I checked we got a $1200 dollar bill just for the Doctor to tell us what we already knew and give my wife a glorified aspirin. He was in the room for a grand total of 10 minutes.

    The doctor didn't MAKE $1200 in that 10 minutes. That's what the healthcare company BILLED you.

    By the way, next year, when everyone gets insurance under ACA, it will probably cost you about $20 for the co-pay. Hmmm.... $20 or $1200. Which is better?

    CaptainShuddup says

    After a three hour wait in the split back gown.

    Ugh - didn't need that visual.

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    curious2 says

    even at the teenage level kids are trying to bulk up with steroids etc

    When I was in high school, there was a kid on the weight lifting team that doped so much steroids that he wasn't even aware of his body's own limitations anymore. Result: he snatched (or was it a clean and jerk?) 750 pounds and blew his large intestine partially out of his anus.

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    Anyone notice how Rin and MMR say pretty much exactly the same things in exactly the same way?

    Hmmm.....

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    No doctor will ever admit they are overpaid.

    Every last one of them will claim they are worth 1000x as much per session/hour/procedure.

    If they got better money kicking you to death in front of your spouse and kids, they'd take it.

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    APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

    If they got better money kicking you to death in front of your spouse and kids....

    Have you seen chemotherapy? Why risk injuring yourself kicking the patient, when you can prescribe drugs and have the nurse administer them, then enjoy watching the patient puke his guts out all over the place. W said it's hard to put food on your family, but probably he never tried projectile vomiting.

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    This is what America is all about:

    Raking in fantastic money for scribbling on paper and torturing strangers.

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    APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

    If they got better money kicking you to death in front of your spouse and kids, they'd take it.

    Mild hip dysplasia would be the only thing keeping me from inquiring...

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    Homeboy says

    Anyone notice how Rin and MMR say pretty much exactly the same things in exactly the same way?

    Hmmm.....

    I knew that that was the best that you could do. How lame.

    It only indicates that your reading comprehension skills of an intelligent conversation is limited.

    Ask Patrick if we have the same IPs, if you want to play Dick Tracy, you troll.

    BTW, I'm done responding to you, ignore is activated.

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    I hadn't thought of the military. It's an intriguing choice Younger guys especially might be more willing to listen and most have some concept of exercise. As long as it was a job in Coastal California, I'd strongly consider it. I personally don't want to live anywhere else, even if no one is willing to offer me partnership in an insurance mill.

    Sports medicine is a possibility as is endocrinology, diabetes and metabolism, with emphasis on exercise/nutrition.

    Regarding the Lance Armstrong situations, I think about that stuff in passing every single day and some days more than others. It's almost as if you read my mind or something.

    When you get a chance an good movie (you prob saw it but just in case). Good discussion on the latter topic. Won award at 2008 Sundance Film Festival

    &list=PLDEC560256566A03A

    curious2 says

    BTW, in terms of medical practice areas, you might want to consider sports medicine or even the military. The patients tend to be highly functional, they might need help with specific problems but they aren't generally self-destructive. I would worry about Lance Armstrong situations though, even at the teenage level kids are trying to bulk up with steroids etc. Otherwise much of current medicine consists of managing self-destructive people as profitably as possible: every complaint results in another test and every test results in another prescription, no time to listen, etc.

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    140   8:05pm Thu 28 Feb 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Thank you

    Rin says

    Homeboy says

    Anyone notice how Rin and MMR say pretty much exactly the same things in exactly the same way?

    Hmmm.....

    I knew that that was the best that you could do. How lame.

    It only indicates that your reading comprehension skills of an intelligent conversation is limited.

    Ask Patrick if we have the same IPs, if you want to play Dick Tracy, you troll.

    BTW, I'm done responding to you, ignore is activated.

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    yawn. Attacking people for their opinions is boring for the rest of us to read.

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    elliemae says

    yawn. Attacking people for their opinions is boring for the rest of us to read.

    But what if their opinion DIFFERS from mine?!?!? I don't think I could live in such a world.

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    Rin says

    I knew that that was the best that you could do. How lame.

    It only indicates that your reading comprehension skills of an intelligent conversation is limited.

    Ask Patrick if we have the same IPs, if you want to play Dick Tracy, you troll.

    BTW, I'm done responding to you, ignore is activated.

    Yeah, you're right - you probably ARE too stupid to figure out how to change your IP iddress.

    Gee, sorry I can't "comprehend" your "intelligent conversation". What was your last "intelligent" argument? Oh yeah:

    "You've already heard all the jazz about education in the above threads."

    Yeah, that was a really deep and meaningful argument. I can't believe I didn't "comprehend" it. Fucking troll.

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    elliemae says

    Attacking people for their opinions is boring for the rest of us to read.

    So is making up strawmen and arguing for the sake of argument.

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    Rin says

    Actually Meccos, it looks like that I'm gaining more adherents over time than you. Just read all the responses above.

    Im glad you think this is a popularity contest and you think you are winning. Kudos to you...

    Rin says

    You thought that you could make me look sophomoric but it appears that that moniker is slowly fitting you rather well with your pomposity.

    Never tried to make you look sophomoric, however if you did, its your own fault. I do love how you turn this around and accuse me of being pompous because I chose to argue against your insane claims...
    Do not forget you are the same person who claims to have made 700k a year working in a hedge fund, but you have the audacity to scream out loud that physician are overpaid. Your entire posts have been attacks on physicians and the profession and yet when someone rebuttals your arguments, you and simpletons like chankaya claim I am being pompous and disrespectful of other profession (to which I made no condescending comments about). Its quite comical actually.

    Rin says

    Yes, when (not if) I become a doctor, I will never get online and tell ppl that doctors are a gem of society. Instead, I'll say that unlike some (whose names I won't mention), I've done the best that I could. And if that basically turns me into an adjunct physical therapist or nutritionist then so be it. I'm sure I could survive on my earnings from the HF work for some time.

    Ok,... "when" you do become a doctor... perhaps you can share your experiences about how easy it is and how you should get paid way less. Until you have actually experienced it do you think it is wise to speak as if you had volumes of knowledge on the subject matter? Furthermore, will you include yourself among those in the very profession in which you have ridiculed as being incompetent, overpaid, manipulative, etc in your earlier posts?

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    Rin says

    Homeboy says

    Rin says

    Read chanakya4773's comments on the firemen, in terms of saving lives and the payscale.

    Oh, I see. You acknowledge the validity of the argument when it's used by someone you agree with, but claim it's an invalid argument when I use it. Nice....

    OK, so how many firemen do you know, who earn from $200K to $300K? Yes, I'm now using your argument concerning payscale.

    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/03/03/3446569/see-average-police-firefighter.html?appSession=866362614715382

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    CaptainShuddup says

    Quit saying Doctors earn their money.

    The last time I checked we got a $1200 dollar bill just for the Doctor to tell us what we already knew and give my wife a glorified aspirin. He was in the room for a grand total of 10 minutes. After a three hour wait in the split back gown.

    This is the problem. Everyone thinks it is just this simple but it is not. People see the doctor... they get charged 1200, they assume the doctor charged 1200 and he got it all. Guess again...

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    Go home, boy.

    Homeboy says

    elliemae says

    Attacking people for their opinions is boring for the rest of us to read.

    So is making up strawmen and arguing for the sake of argument.

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    Meccos says

    This is the problem. Everyone thinks it is just this simple but it is not. People see the doctor... they get charged 1200, they assume the doctor charged 1200 and he got it all. Guess again...

    Faulty logic. It does no matter whether the doctor got $1200 or "only" $1000 after paying for a receptionist, nurse, rent, consumables, whatever. It is still way too damn much for 5min of work. Probably by a factor of 10X, at least. For something like a 5min consult they should just have some minimum charge, at most $50.

    There is no way an office practitioner could justify charging more than $400/hour, real face-to-face time with patients.

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    SoftShell says

    Go home, boy.

    Your brain is going soft, shell.

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    justme says

    Faulty logic. It does no matter whether the doctor got $1200 or "only" $1000 after paying for a receptionist, nurse, rent, consumables, whatever. It is still way too damn much for 5min of work. Probably by a factor of 10X, at least. For something like a 5min consult they should just have some minimum charge, at most $50.

    Of course it matters, idiot. You have to look at who is profiting most from the outrageous charges. It's the giant healthcare companies, not the doctors. The doctor is not actually taking home $1200 for 5 minutes of work. Nor is he taking home $1000.

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    chanakya4773 says

    You tell the firefighter who has to dive in to FIRE to save your precious little life when your house blows up in fire. Tell him why you need to get paid many times more than him because you are going to do a run of the mill surgery in which you personally have zero risk and the rate of success is just another statics.

    First of all firefighters make tons of money. They require very little training. And in all honestly (at the sake of being bashed for being politically incorrect..since you cant even bash police and fire) when was the last time you saw a fire? The OVERWHELMING majority of fire fighter calls are for medical emergencies, where they do not risk their lives.
    BTW just because you do not place yourself in physical danger does not mean you do not have any "personal" risk. I would argue that every surgery a surgeon performs puts him at risk... risk of needle sticks leading to hepb/C/HIV, risk of lawsuits, risk of being away from family. If by your implication that the risk of physical harm should pay more, then the common taxi driver should get paid more than doctors and firemen.

    chanakya4773 says

    You seem to believe that a neuro surgeon needs nerves of steel but a firefighter or a soldier does not

    Nope never said that... but thanks for trying to put words into my mouth and trying to make this about doctors versus others. Im simply providing the counterargument that doctors are "overpaid". chanakya4773 says

    chanakya4773 says

    All hard working people contribute to the world in one way or the other.

    WHen did i ever say that other people dont contribute???? Wow stop putting words into my mouth and actually read what i wrote.

    You seem to be ok when Rin states that the job of the physician is indistinct from other professions, but take so much offense when I simply point out that it is very distinct. There is no condescending tone here, but simply the truth. The jobs are very different.

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    chanakya4773 says

    Now , when you are stuck in a fire in your house, the firefighter will demand 1 million dollars to save you because he had to do 1) 2) 3) and 4) and also because he is "SAVING LIVES"

    When is the last fire you saw in your neighborhood?

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