It would seem odd if they cooked this up by themselves.
Why? All kinds of mass murderers had families, so what?
Nothing about this, reads as more than garden variety terrorist operating with some devices made from a cookbook.
Tens of thousands of people have probably been interviewed by FBI on suspicion. Eventually an agent has to make a choice that this person does not seem to pose an IMINENT danger, they have bigger fish to fry and move on. Likely there was no particular evidence to indicate action versus loudmouth. Once in a blue moon they are said to have "missed" a terrorist when they didn't there was probably no indication AT THAT TIME that these guys were severely radicalized and ready to make bombs.
I stick with Occams Razor. There is nothing to indicate a need for a grand conspiracy. Of course Mom will find some twisted way it's ANYONE else's fault other than her sons.
You mention the 95% correct way to approach this issue. The aim should be on arab muslams. They are the only "true" muslams (in their own book it says so), and those crazy arabs want all non arabs dead or slaves ... oh, and so you know, if you are an arab and not a muslam, then they will kill you the same. In the eyes of the arab muslam, if you are arab you must be muslam, and if you are muslam you must be arab,, they are racists and religious bigots at the same time.... a mean combo.
They want a war against Christians and Jews ... lets give it to them.
(1) how do you plan to extract the info? (2) How are you to be sure it is honest, or even based on reality?
Put him in jail for life. Eventually regret will set in. Then give him a chance at redemption, not a chance at freedom, but a chance at a better jail experience (more outdoor time, more sport time, etc).
We'll know whether or not it's honest based on the content.
There have been plenty of cases of people changing their lives in jail.
I dont care why murdering cowards murder anyone. I dont care what weapon they choose. I dont care their age or color or sex or shoe size. I dont care their motivation or excuse.
The whole purpose of the "Why" is not to placate the bleeding hearts. It's so that the experts at Quantico FBI Headquarters could gather more intel & personality profiles of potential lone wolf operative types. Realize this, the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, has been studied in large detail, thanks to the Feds apprehending him alive. If you've noticed, no one's been able to replicate the 17 year reign of terror like Kaczynski's since his time out in the woods.
FBI's most experienced and successful personnel have said repeatedly that the torture used during the W administration did not help at all, and in fact was counterproductive. Successful interrogators require the three things that were used during the interrogation of Saddam Hussein: a quiet room, sufficient resources, and the time necessary to become the subject's best (and possibly only) friend. Faux News try to spin that into being soft on crime or terrorists or whatever, but in reality Saddam Hussein got executed - by Bop69's preferred method, hanging. Sadistic torture seems to excite repressed Republicans, but truly successful interrogations gather accurate data and develop useful information.
Sadistic torture seems to excite repressed Republicans
The fact is GOP policy thought leaders get a lot of their ideas from dime novels. The best book I've read on prisoner interrogation - You Can't Fight Tanks with Bayonets - described how US Pacific forces organized their interrogation scheme to end-run the Japanese brain washing which told them to expect the American to torture and eat them. Food, hot water, cigarettes delivered all the intelligence they needed. By the end of the shooting war in the Pacific islands, Japanese were editing the newsletters the Americans dropped to compel Japanese troops to surrender. The most compelling testimony I read during the Bush-era hearings came from an American WW II interrogator who had the grim pleasure of interviewing some of the most notorious monsters of the Nazi regime, guys so horrifically soulless and cruel, there was nothing he could have done that would that could break them.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said that some of the information that was used to locate and kill Osama bin Laden was attained using torture.
The admission comes after months of speculation about the role that waterboarding plays in CIA interrogations following its graphic depiction in the Oscar-nominated film Zero Dark Thirty.
'In order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to Bin Laden, there were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used,’ Panetta said Sunday during an appearance on Meet The Press.
CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”
Panetta admits that CIA DID use intelligence from water-boarding to capture bin Laden....
That comment and the linked sources illustrate how, even as the Internet has enabled people to communicate more, it has also enabled people to silo themselves more. The two sources that you cited are a "conservative" British tabloid and an American self-styled "conservative" website. Both omitted what Panetta said next, "we could have gotten bin Laden without that." These "conservative" sites are part of the divide & misrule game: they amplify polarization by presenting only what data their target audience will want to hear, so that people feel they have less in common with each other and then they mistrust each other more. Advocating torture, and spinning news reports to support it, are not really "conservative" at all, but they are consistent with the increasing polarization that has reduced the words "conservative" and "liberal" to nearly unintelligible labels for ideologically incoherent patronage networks.
Meanwhile, "60 Minutes" presented this evening an outstanding group of reports related to this week's events in Boston. Dan might especially like this excerpt, about how the surviving suspect was finally captured:
Ed Davis: There was extreme frustration and disappointment in the command post.
Scott Pelley: And it was not, what? Thirty minutes later...
Ed Davis: --it was probably close to 15 minutes later.
Scott Pelley: That a man called 9-1-1. He went into his backyard where he has a boat with a cover over the top and he saw the cover was torn.
Ed Davis: He said he was dying for a cigarette, he had to go outside to have his cigarette. And he saw the blood on the boat. And so he peered in after climbing a ladder. And he told me that he saw a body in there with blood on it."
In other words, keeping people inside and having police search did not result in the capture; allowing people to go outside led to the information that resulted in the arrest.
If everyone was required to carry a Gatling gun like the way that everyone is forced to throw money at insurance companies, these guys would have been vaporized just for being assholes, long before the Marathon.
and you left out two important words... from Panetta... "I Think"...
and that isnt " I am sure" or "I am confident" ... we could have gotten bin Laden without that. His words were not a sure fact that OBL would have been caught. He is speculating.
Heck, if you dont need 'enhanced techniques' or you need them, i doesn't bother me. But it did work and they gave up all the information.
Ex-CIA chief defends waterboarding of al Qaeda leader
Rodriguez says everything his interrogators did to top-level terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah was legal and effective. "We made some al Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," he tells Stahl. "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives," says Rodriguez, who has written a book on the subject called "Hard Measures."
Pressed by Stahl about charges that Zubaydah, who was waterboarded and sleep deprived, gave false information that wasted U.S. resources, Rodriguez replies, "Bull****!, He gave us a roadmap that allowed us to capture a bunch of al Qaeda senior leaders," says the ex-spy.
Rodriguez says the interrogation program, which also included stress positions, nudity and "insult slaps," was "about instilling a sense of hopelessness...despair...so that he [the detainee] would conclude on his own that he was better off cooperating with us." He says that even Khalid Sheik Mohammed, whom he termed "the toughest detainee we had," eventually gave up information.
Advocating torture, and spinning news reports to support it, are not really "conservative" at all, but they are consistent with the increasing polarization that has reduced the words "conservative" and "liberal" to nearly unintelligible labels for ideologically incoherent patronage networks.
No.. some of us dont have our tongue up Osama's ass like others and calling him Daddy!
In which book does it say arab are the only muslims?
the fable wrote by their wanna-be-Jesus arab says so. It says, in a very plain way, that blood arabs are true muslams, and non-arabs that claim to be converted and act and live as muslams will be allowed to live, be treated as slaves, and have no right to life. No right to life, is almost an exact translation, by the way. The fabels of mohamad are available in english on line.
Luie Farakan knows he is a second class muslam too, that is why he stays in the usa where beng black has more power and makes more money, than being a second class muslam in any arab land.
hey kind of like the old testament? about how the israelites killed off all
the people that was in the land god promised to them?
nope, not like the OT in any regard. The arab fable is more like the Joe Smith (mormon) fable ... it's a "me too" for Jesus, salvation, and the personage of God.... both have one person writing each one in a single life span. The OT is a collection of ancient records and stories from thousands of stories and hundreds or writers of thousands of years. Pretty cool, aint it?
Buddah may be how God revealed himself to the yellow man, maybe?
So the good old US oF A helped a family have a chance in America because they were political refuges, and they lived off welfare for years, and even when the son grew up and was able-bodied, he didn't have *time* to work, didn't want to get his hands dirty (or too busy plotting), so he had his wife work full-time and lived off her, sold and used drugs, dissed their college completely (one with scholarship) and failed (both boys), shoplifted (mother), committed murder and maiming of innocent people including children (the cowardly way), including shooting a cop FIVE times while he was sitting in his car, trying to kill more cops, hijacking a car, etc.
Then years after being here the husband and wife go back to their land and leave their teenage son (I guess they were no longer refuges *?* - ) when they figured out being in the US wasn't all that easy.
Wow, could these people sink any lower in anyone's eyes. What a bunch of scum. What ignorant, stupid people.
The older son told someone the Bible is a cheap copy of the Quran. Yeah, right, dummy. Bible came before the Quran by, oh, 500 years. Stupid, ignorant, crazy. He probably never read the Quran, just gets sound bites from YouTube.