Lamorinda Home Prices Back Above Peak Levels


By gregpfielding   Follow   Wed, 17 Apr 2013, 12:25pm   1,684 views   69 comments
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It won’t show in the data yet because the “pendings” haven’t closed. Many are closing for 100K or more over their asking prices, pushing the market price of properties in Lafayette, Moraga, and Orinda up above the previous 2006-2007 peaks.

See the examples... http://www.bayarearealestatetrends.com/2013/04/lamorinda-home-prices-back-above-peak-levels/

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  1. APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch


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    30   1:43pm Sun 21 Apr 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike  

    That's great. You can walk away from every sale cackling at your latest victim, "Here are the keys, fuckface. You'd never catch me buying a house in this market, much less like the shambolic shithouse you're moving into."

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    robertoaribas says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Iwog, yes I was wrong about housing in the last 2 years. But my point is the reason I was wrong actually helped my investments far more tha real estate would. In that case I love being wrong. ;).

    yeah, those grapes are probably sour anyway, said the fox.

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Fundamentals of our personal, state and national debt all point in that direction. When it happens I'm sure you will be here saying how you saw it coming all along in your phoney way.

    so you start a post about how you were completely butt ass wrong; then turn it into "but I will eventually be right someday, and you will lie about it when it happens..."

    DOUCHE BAG!!!!!

    So you just negative everything I say. Back at yah.

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    32   9:11am Mon 22 Apr 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    When it happens I'm sure you will be here saying how you saw it coming all along in your phoney way.

    That's not how I operate. I don't change screen names and most of my investments are out in the open real time, success or failure. You should try it sometime and tell people what you are invested in NOW instead of after the fact.

    Jeez, you don't even need to make any educated guess. Put money in the indexes these last few years. More than housing it has been only one way. Up. Free money means everything is beautiful. At least until it isn't. Housing will be the first to lose the seat IMHO. I have had at least 50% of my holdings (dependant on the price of gold) in the S&P and continue to hold about that since I sold my overpriced piece of junk SFBA home in 2009. Lets talk again in 2015-2016.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SPY+Interactive#symbol=spy;range=5y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

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    33   11:03am Mon 22 Apr 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Jeez, you don't even need to make any educated guess. Put money in the indexes these last few years. More than housing it has been only one way. Up.

    Works great if you have a time machine.

    I'm invested in the stock market however you don't seem to understand how leverage works. My first four real estate purchases cost me $0. They were 100% financed. Most people have around 5 to 1 leverage in real estate. The best you can do in the stock market is 2:1.

    Now I'm not going to advocate heavy margins in the stock market, however for you to claim that you did better not owning real estate from 2009 to 2013 is absurd. An 80% LTV mortgage on a SFBA home with the proceeds invested in the stock market from 2009 onward was the best strategy. Probably 4 times better than what you did.

    I consider 2009 the bottom. You followed the herd and sold when everyone else did.

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    iwog says

    you don't seem to understand how leverage works.

    I understand how leverage works more than you. Your 5 to 1 works both ways. If you feel comfortable with that in and out of your favor then you have a riskier approach than me. I have no debt, never had debt and never will have debt. Period. True wealth IMHO comes from my career and my steadfast belief in the future. I don't need a home run, single and doubles will do just fine. I plan to be here a long time. You can have your 4 times, good for you. I could liquidate now and buy back the home I sold in 2009 and then buy another home. That is enough for me. Good for me too. ;)

    It might have been the bottom 2009-2010 but it still is dead money. Money worked much better in many other places than real estate.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I understand how leverage works more than you. Your 5 to 1 works both ways.

    I caught you lying about covered options and I'm pretty sure you're not being honest now.

    The bottom line is that the stock market has been an excellent play from 2009 onward. I never said otherwise and I've been invested in the ride.

    However every time you call real estate investing "dead money", you're exposing yourself as ignorant and short sighted. I'm constantly amazed at how people who called this market so horribly wrong, who's predictions ended in utter failure, CONTINUE to be arrogant blowhards. How the hell are you ever going to learn anything when you're right even when you're wrong?

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    robertoaribas says

    I took 20K more out of my home than I paid for it, and my mortgage is STILL way less than what rent would be.

    what % leverage is that?

    Lucky leverage. There is another flavour and hopefully, you don't ever feel it. I know many in the SFBA that are making over $200K/yr as a family and are pretty much broke. They do live in a nice cottage though.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Lucky leverage. There is another flavour and hopefully, you don't ever feel it. I know many in the SFBA that are making over $200K/yr as a family and are pretty much broke. They do live in a nice cottage though.

    Sooooo let me get this straight. You PERSONALLY know people making three (yes THREE) times the median household income in San Jose, and they are pretty much broke.

    The more I read coming from you, the more I'm convinced you couldn't tell the truth to save your life. EVERYTHING, from the rents in Pleasanton I caught you lying about to the covered calls on MCD I caught you lying about to your fictional broke friends making over $200k a year, EVERYTHING you type here is pulled straight out of your ass.

    http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/cb12-r10.html

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    38   3:04pm Mon 22 Apr 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I'm sick of the endless bullshit coming from RFHTC and the fabricated "data" he keeps throwing out there. Here's what he said in January 2013:

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I just did, (research rents) and "Rents are falling for SFH in the bay area. Rents are falling for SFH in the bay area. " It will really suck to be a landlord and see your equity dry up again while rents are falling drastically. Yup, this is my prediction for this hell hole of a place.

    Here was the headline last week:

    Rents in Bay Area jump by single digits
    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23031693/rents-bay-area-jump-by-single-digits

    After slowing at the end of the year, Bay Area rents jumped 6 to 8 percent in the first quarter of the year compared with the same time in 2012, according to a report released Monday.

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    iwog says

    Sooooo let me get this straight. You PERSONALLY know people making three (yes THREE) times the median household income in San Jose, and they are pretty much broke.

    Yup. Many have lost their homes or trapped in their homes. And I mean many. They all were part of the rush to buy into the hype during 2006-2007. Taxes alone drain them. And, they don't live in San Jose, most are in Mountain View, Palo Alto, Los Altos, etc. 1m+ homes. They believed the realtors.

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    iwog says

    I'm sick of the endless bullshit coming from RFHTC and the fabricated "data" he keeps throwing out there. Here's what he said in January 2013:

    There is an ignore if you can't take the truth.

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    iwog says

    Here was the headline last week:

    Rents in Bay Area jump by single digits

    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23031693/rents-bay-area-jump-by-single-digits

    Yup, Mercury News. There is a place that doesn't make any profits from the real estate ride. Jeez, get a clue.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Yup, Mercury News. There is a place that doesn't make any profits from the real estate ride. Jeez, get a clue.

    Gotcha. Real data from probably the most respectable California newspaper is always inferior and a lie. Random claims totally lacking data or even links and examples from a stranger on the internet? Gospel truth.

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    iwog says

    Real data from probably the most respectable California newspaper

    LOL

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Yup, Mercury News. There is a place that doesn't make any profits from the real estate ride. Jeez, get a clue.

    Gotcha. Real data from probably the most respectable California newspaper is always inferior and a lie. Random claims totally lacking data or even links and examples from a stranger on the internet? Gospel truth.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Even the Merc is moving out of the area. LOL

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130416/WIRE/130419668

    They will keep reporting that people should leverage as much as they can and jump on the debt wagon, just cause that sells papers. No homeowner wants to pay for the truth out there. They want to read the paper and feel themselves get virtual rich. Even if it is not true.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    They will keep reporting that people should leverage as much as they can and jump on the debt wagon, just cause that sells papers. No homeowner wants to pay for the truth out there. They want to read the paper and feel themselves get virtual rich. Even if it is not true.

    Obviously your NOTHING pulled out of your ass and totally lacking references, data, or even a link trumps anything else that is actually published and subject to examination.

    Right?

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    iwog says

    The more I read coming from you, the more I'm convinced you couldn't tell the truth to save your life. EVERYTHING, from the rents in Pleasanton I caught you lying about to the covered calls on MCD I caught you lying about to your fictional broke friends making over $200k a year, EVERYTHING you type here is pulled straight out of your ass.

    Must have missed all then amazing things you did. My rent is down, friends rents are down. My MCD and INTC covered calls are working as usual, even more so this quarter. Keep catching me out while my non-real estate holding grow and your pile of wood ages and decays. I might use it for firewood if we have a hard winter around here. Let me know how much for a pickup truck full of the junk.

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    They will keep reporting that people should leverage as much as they can and jump on the debt wagon, just cause that sells papers. No homeowner wants to pay for the truth out there. They want to read the paper and feel themselves get virtual rich. Even if it is not true.

    Obviously your NOTHING pulled out of your ass and totally lacking references, data, or even a link trumps anything else that is actually published and subject to examination.

    Right?

    Please explain who examines a Newspaper article? Anyone that has a bonus on the Newspapers earnings perhaps? I wonder.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    My rent is down, friends rents are down.

    The problem is I pulled up actual rents from actual web pages years back and proved you were full of shit. You provided nothing.

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    My MCD and INTC covered calls are working as usual

    The problem is I did an actual analysis of MCD and demonstrated how it actually LOST money in 2012 to which you responded with........nothing.

    Again......you're a blowhard and when challenged with actually proving any of your statements, you run and hide like a scared rabbit.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Please explain who examines a Newspaper article? Anyone that has a bonus on the Newspapers earnings perhaps? I wonder.

    Again you claim your nothing trumps anyone else's something.

    Fucking pathetic.

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Please explain who examines a Newspaper article? Anyone that has a bonus on the Newspapers earnings perhaps? I wonder.

    Again you claim your nothing trumps anyone else's something.

    Fucking pathetic.

    Die Die Die! About time people wised up and stop reading the mainstream media trash. I'll buy the last copy of the Merc when it finally dies and roast some marsh mellows over it. The executives are a bunch of crooks. The actually workers are getting screwed by these punks.

    http://capoliticalnews.com/2013/04/16/next-newspaper-on-chopping-block-san-jose-mercury-news/

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    "Many are closing for 100K or more over their asking prices, pushing the market price of properties in Lafayette, Moraga, and Orinda up above the previous 2006-2007 peaks."

    Check Zillow.com and even the homes in the nicer parts of Oakland are at August 2004 price levels.

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    iwog says

    The problem is I did an actual analysis of MCD and demonstrated how it actually LOST money in 2012 to which you responded with........nothing.

    Nothing loses money if you know how to use covered calls to your advantage. Drops - I buy back the call, then sell again on strength while collecting the dividend. Steady - I keep selling calls and collect dividends, Rises - I already made my 2-3% for the quarter. I could give you the Coles notes on this if it is too complicated. I know it is above wood and nails so don't feel bad.

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    robertoaribas says

    Problem with this, and why IWOG and I both know you are lying, is you eventually get burned... you buy a stock for 100, sell calls at 100, or 105 whatever, stock tanks to 80, you buy back your calls, resell calls at 80, stock goes back up to 100, and you just lost the stock, locked in a $20 equity loss, all for 2 call commissions.

    You missed the sell call timing. You don't buy and the sell at the same price silly rabbit. Why would you even sell then. Sure, there is a downside, but your income from the original sell offsets the loss. Nothing at all is risk free, we are all just managing risk to minimize it. You two talk about housing like it has no downside. To me you are fools and will eventually get burned. You never listen and always just slam anyone that brings reason into your view. I wish you both well, just cause. But I wouldn't partner with you if my life depended on it. You are both too risky and talk like you are the holder of the truth, when you are far from it.

    I understand put-call more than you know. I have been using it for decades now and profiting well. You should listen sometime to others, it might help your mind.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I understand put-call more than you know.

    Which explains why you claimed 6% returns on MCD in a year where MCD lost about 10% and then refused to explain how you managed it while running away from all my questions.

    Again you believe your nothing trumps everyone else's something.

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I understand put-call more than you know.

    Which explains why you claimed 6% returns on MCD in a year where MCD lost about 10% and then refused to explain how you managed it while running away from all my questions.

    Again you believe your nothing trumps everyone else's something.

    Now you lie. I claimed 6% was easy to get with solid dividend paying companies (3-4% usually) and selling covered calls. Take your own advice there 4 times better than everyone else. Fools I tell yah.

    Here is a snippet of that thread from me.

    "You increase the calmness by using well established companies like MCD, PG, INTC, etc."

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Now you lie. I claimed 6% was easy to get with solid dividend paying companies (3-4% usually) and selling covered calls. Take your own advice there 4 times better than everyone else. Fools I tell yah.

    It's so easy to get yet so impossible to say how you get it. I figured it out when I found out the best possible leap you could get with MCD was about 1.4% and you would have had it called AFTER A LOSS in 2012.

    Again almost everything you post is bullshit.

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Now you lie. I claimed 6% was easy to get with solid dividend paying companies (3-4% usually) and selling covered calls. Take your own advice there 4 times better than everyone else. Fools I tell yah.

    It's so easy to get yet so impossible to say how you get it. I figured it out when I found out the best possible leap you could get with MCD was about 1.4% and you would have had it called AFTER A LOSS in 2012.

    Again almost everything you post is bullshit.

    You are the idiot making time lines around my comments and then calculating your return so it is in your favor. Hope it feel good to you, cause it is laughable on my side. Good luck to you all the same. I kinda feel bad that you are so blinded. Nah

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    Now you lie. I claimed 6% was easy to get with solid dividend paying companies (3-4% usually) and selling covered calls. Take your own advice there 4 times better than everyone else. Fools I tell yah.

    It's so easy to get yet so impossible to say how you get it. I figured it out when I found out the best possible leap you could get with MCD was about 1.4% and you would have had it called AFTER A LOSS in 2012.

    Again almost everything you post is bullshit.

    BTW, while you and Roberto are so busy trying to find articles that show your virtual housing equity increasing, I made a cool 6-7% off Intel in the last 2 weeks alone. It is too easy with people like you swinging for the fences on everything sometimes. Sure and steady. You can have the 4x and the /4. I'd rather sleep well and get 1.1x each and every year with little to no worry. Also, no pesky tenant calls of clogged toilets and broken heaters.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I'd rather sleep well and get 1.1x each and every year with little to no worry. Also, no pesky tenant calls of clogged toilets and broken heaters.

    I don't care what you do, I just don't like liars and frauds. The only reason I talk about my real estate investments is that I linked them...........in 2009, 2010, and 2011. Same with gold. Same with oil. Real time, in advance, win or lose.

    No one has any idea what you invest in because you only brag about it after the fact. You have never once given a preview of what you've spent money on. Very typical of a blowhard.

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I'd rather sleep well and get 1.1x each and every year with little to no worry. Also, no pesky tenant calls of clogged toilets and broken heaters.

    I don't care what you do, I just don't like liars and frauds. The only reason I talk about my real estate investments is that I linked them...........in 2009, 2010, and 2011. Same with gold. Same with oil. Real time, in advance, win or lose.

    No one has any idea what you invest in because you only brag about it after the fact. You have never once given a preview of what you've spent money on. Very typical of a blowhard.

    I said I was long INTC and selling covered calls on the last thread about three weeks ago. Nothing new here. I'll say it here now that I have over 100K invested in INTC right now. I keep stealing money from people by selling covered call and then buying them back for nothing. Are you the one buying? I can save you commission if you want to just paypal me your money. ;)

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I said I was long INTC and selling covered calls on the last thread about three weeks ago. Nothing new here. I'll say it here now that I have over 100K invested in INTC right now. I keep stealing money from people by selling covered call and then buying them back for nothing. Are you the one buying? I can save you commission if you want to just paypal me your money. ;)

    Which covered calls are you short right now?

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    iwog says

    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    I said I was long INTC and selling covered calls on the last thread about three weeks ago. Nothing new here. I'll say it here now that I have over 100K invested in INTC right now. I keep stealing money from people by selling covered call and then buying them back for nothing. Are you the one buying? I can save you commission if you want to just paypal me your money. ;)

    Which covered calls are you short right now?

    Not sure I would call it short, cause I am bullish. My outstanding covered calls are with INTC, MSFT, CSCO, KO, HSY, SWY, and KRFT

    Made a small fortune on SWY btw. I really should sell but doing a covered call is just a way to sneak out a bit more winnings before I unload.

    Got a bunch called away recently which was awesome. You would say it was horrible, but your the reason why it works. Discipline is the game. Take advantage of the cesspool of GREED out there.

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    See what I mean? Let me try again:

    What SPECIFIC covered calls are you short? (this is the position you take when you write a covered call) I don't want to know the security, I want to know what option you've sold. That way people can judge your competence, and not simply trust you when you say you make money.

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    iwog says

    See what I mean? Let me try again:

    What SPECIFIC covered calls are you short? (this is the position you take when you write a covered call) I don't want to know the security, I want to know what option you've sold. That way people can judge your competence, and not simply trust you when you say you make money.

    I'll post it tomorrow, time for bed as the little one is in need of a fairy tale. I think I'll tell her about this Iwog character that sees the world though broken lenses. ;)

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    iwog says

    See what I mean? Let me try again:

    What SPECIFIC covered calls are you short? (this is the position you take when you write a covered call) I don't want to know the security, I want to know what option you've sold. That way people can judge your competence, and not simply trust you when you say you make money.

    I'll post it tomorrow, time for bed as the little one is in need of a fairy tale. I think I'll tell her about this Iwog character that sees the world though broken lenses. ;)

    I make your tomorrow as being yesterday.

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    Bigsby says


    I'll post it tomorrow, time for bed as the little one is in need of a fairy
    tale. I think I'll tell her about this Iwog character that sees the world though
    broken lenses. ;)


    I make your tomorrow as being yesterday.

    No, tomorrow never comes, and that's why it was worded that way. Keep waiting..............

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    upisdown says

    Bigsby says

    I'll post it tomorrow, time for bed as the little one is in need of a fairy

    tale. I think I'll tell her about this Iwog character that sees the world though

    broken lenses. ;)

    I make your tomorrow as being yesterday.

    No, tomorrow never comes, and that's why it was worded that way. Keep waiting..............

    I'd say he needs to post them up otherwise there's a fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn.

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    RentingForHalfTheCost says

    iwog says

    See what I mean? Let me try again:

    What SPECIFIC covered calls are you short? (this is the position you take when you write a covered call) I don't want to know the security, I want to know what option you've sold. That way people can judge your competence, and not simply trust you when you say you make money.

    I'll post it tomorrow, time for bed as the little one is in need of a fairy tale. I think I'll tell her about this Iwog character that sees the world though broken lenses. ;)

    I take it that you're never actually going to do this.

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    I don't think I've ever been to the places in the article. A co-worker lived in Danville, so I've heard of it.

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