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Russias actions reminiscent of Cold War


By bgamall4   Follow   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 2:30am PDT   887 views   38 comments
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mccain-putin-snowden-syria-153134808.html McCain wanted to provoke Russia with a missile shield that Russia said it would pulverize. McCain is a hypocritical moron. He is a douchebag.

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CaptainShuddup   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:01am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 1

I heard it quoted yesterday, that Putin enjoys sticking his finger in the eye of Obama every chance he gets.
I'm really starting to like this guy. He reminds me of how American politicians used to be. Obama should be honored to have his rule rein in the same era as Putin.

lostand confused   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:04am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 2

CaptainShuddup says

He reminds me of how American politicians used to be.

Yeah I remmeber when Soviet citizens ran away from the USSR and came to the USA for freedom. How time shave changed.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:04am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 3

CaptainShuddup says

I heard it quoted yesterday, that Putin enjoys sticking his finger in the eye of Obama every chance he gets.

I'm really starting to like this guy. He reminds me of how American politicians used to be. Obama should be horned to have his rule rein in the same era as Putin.

Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

CaptainShuddup   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:10am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike     Comment 4

All hell has broke lose, we have a mad man hell bent on fucking the poor and middle class over in this country every time he opens his mouth.

"Obama to push for changes on existing power plants"

Expect some of that old black magic he worked in "Affordable Healthcare" that will give us $1,000 electric bills. Most Generation Whiners retort... "well invest in wind and solar" er er dur dur doo...

But we can't even have Cheap Chinese solar panels. There's nothing sincere about this son of a bitch, and for the majority of his constituents. No matter how rotten and bad this asshole fucks shit up. They will applaud him, because if at least 50% of the country is bitching, then there's a republican somewhere that received the long reach of the Liberal Sanchez shitty finger.

How come Bush didn't have a problem with him?

"Poke him in the other eye, Pooty poo!"

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:16am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 5

bgamall4 says

Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

so you rather capitulate and surrender to a foreign power because YOU are a pacifistic.

lostand confused   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:21am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

thomaswong.1986 says

so you rather capitulate and surrender to a foreign power because YOU are a
pacifistic.

I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:45am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

lostand confused says

I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

Lol, or Poland.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:45am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

thomaswong.1986 says

so you rather capitulate

Only you would think that mutually assured destruction is capitulation Wong. Only you and the crazed neocons, that is.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:57am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 9

lostand confused says

I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

you do realize the Soviets pulled the same stunt when we deployed
cruise and intermediate missiles in Nato nations during the 80s.
the KGB propaganda machine was in full swing.

So today, we have Poland in NATO... gosh!
them Poles aint to friendly
with Old Ivan, are they now ?

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:58am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 10

bgamall4 says

Only you would think that mutually assured destruction is capitulation Wong. Only you and the crazed neocons, that is.

Seems to work well. Your still here acting childish.. had it not, you would be dust.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:06am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

thomaswong.1986 says

Seems to work well.

Yes, it works well, so why would you want to tip the balance with a missile shield, which the Russians consider an act of war?

FortWayne   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:11am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 12

CaptainShuddup says

All hell has broke lose, we have a mad man hell bent on fucking the poor and middle class over in this country every time he opens his mouth.

They are closing power plants out here in CA and raising rates at the same time... while Obama is selling solar panels everywhere. Lovely how that government racket works.

They sure know how to screw the middle class and the poor. Same magic formula that they never change.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:15am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

bgamall4 says

act of war?

says who ?

CaptainShuddup   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:25am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

He should pardon the Enron execs and give them a metal of honor.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 6:43am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

thomaswong.1986 says

says who ?

Says the Russians, and really, when the Russian general said that it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks, now, does it?

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 6:47am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

FortWayne says

They are closing power plants out here in CA and raising rates at the same time... while Obama is selling solar panels everywhere. Lovely how that government racket works.

They sure know how to screw the middle class and the poor. Same magic formula that they never change.

It started in earnest with Reagan. Under Reagan, toxic loans and MBS were set into law. It was one of the first things he did:

http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-died-today-and-i-am.html

I wonder what he would have thought of the screwing of the middle class by Wall Street once again?

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 11:50am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 17

bgamall4 says

toxic loans and MBS

There you go again with the toxic loans... i guess your sure without those loans
prices would still be going higher and higher.

We had the SEC act of 1933/34, how did it prevent the stock bubble of late '90s ?

How do you regulate irrational buyers out of the market ?

Robert Sproul   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 12:05pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 18

America has been surrounding Russia with missile bases for decades. Imagine our reaction if they put bases anywhere in the western hemisphere.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 12:46pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 19

Robert Sproul says

America has been surrounding Russia with missile bases for decades. Imagine our reaction if they put bases anywhere in the western hemisphere.

hardly if you consider we only had NATO bases across the West-East German Border.

where else did WE have missile bases near their borders ... China, across the Balkens, maybe the Soviet Southern Borders, Afghanistan ?

They already tried doing that with Cuba, and didnt go well for their leadership.

Robert Sproul   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 1:02pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 20

We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

Mark D   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 2:57pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 21

bgamall4 says

McCain is a hypocritical moron. He is a douchebag.

early dementia by syphilis by VietCong prison rapes.

Rew   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:17pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 22

Robert Sproul says

We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

Ask the locals what they think about that.

Robert Sproul says

On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

By the map, so true, but Iran is a small side show. This is the Eastern section of Chinese containment, Southern is India, and Western is Japan.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:21pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 23

Rew says

That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

That is nothing compared to US expansionism. We are the empire. We are starting to be an evil empire.

Rew   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:26pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

bgamall4 says

Rew says

That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

That is nothing compared to US expansionism. We are the empire. We are starting to be an evil empire.

We have always been "the empire" since post WWII. The Brit's taught us well, but we also use Coke and McDonalds as part of our 'arsenal'. Haha.

'Evil' I don't think I would say so. No more than other national interests, and a far deal better in intent than the majority. Still a symbol of hope, prosperity, and diplomacy for the world.

There are countries who align with our interests, those that don't, and those that are direct challenges. We act in kind toward those countries as one would expect.

America bashing is in vogue though. ;)

Rew   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:47pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 25

bgamall4 says

Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

Since the missile shield these days is typically floating in the black sea ... fire away ... fire away ...

Russia is very sensitive about Poland. They were ruled by the Poles for a few hundred years, and the Poles shut them down post WWI, likely saving most of Eastern Europe at that time. There is some animated and intense history there.

Russia likes Poland to be nice rapid invasion territory, so they have some buffer for the Motherland. Unfortunately, so far, the US has allowed that to remain as such. In a way, you cannot blame Russia though. They have a history of being invaded by some force right through Poland.

Poland is probably one of our most unsung, bravest, and truest allies ... ever. I'd put them right behind the UK and uppity France.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:50pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 26

Robert Sproul says

We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

We are part of an Alliance of nations with various treaties.. Be it NATO, Japan, South Korea, ANZUZ, Philippine, and others. WE are not an Empire similar to Britain or Russia. Our presence isnt like the Warsaw Pact nations to keep the locals in check.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 3:55pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 27

Robert Sproul says

On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

yes true..

Rew   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:14pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 28

CaptainShuddup says

How come Bush didn't have a problem with him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–United_States_relations#Putin_and_Bush

The cowboy diplomat, rough and tumble, "warm" relationship between Bush and Putin is a fallacy. Bush is exactly where Putin and Russia began to distrust America again. Bush very much did 'have a problem' with him ... he just didn't give a darn ... and damaged much of our post-Soviet era relationship. The fruit of that work is the situation now.

http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20120621/174162747.html

Here is the fun quote:
"On the other hand, the reset policy launched in 2009 became possible only when Moscow decided that Obama, unlike his predecessor, would keep his word. Obama promised to review Bush’s missile defense plans for Poland and the Czech Republic, and he has done so. Moscow has shown that it is always willing to reciprocate. Then-President Dmitry Medvedev stated that Russia would look into approving sanctions against Iran the very next day after Obama buried Bush’s missile defense initiative in Eastern Europe."

... and this is pretty good, for huffpuff:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/obama-putin_n_3467752.html

Remember, we are challenging Russia in the Middle East like never before (Afghanistan, Syria, Iran) and in addition, don't forget about the Georgian conflict. Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

thomaswong.1986   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:32pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 29

Rew says

Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

They dont have any friendly souls or client states left behind.. be it in Europe or South in the Middle and Far East. And many would build a quick alliance with NATO and the USA to keep the Ivan the Bear down. No one trusts them.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 4:36pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 30

Rew says

Evil' I don't think I would say so. No more than other national interests, and a far deal better in intent than the majority. Still a symbol of hope, prosperity, and diplomacy for the world.

You didn't read this did you?

http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/a-neocon-just-called-for-false-flag.html

http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/the-logical-proof-that-republican.html

You need to get up to speed, Rew.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 5:17pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 31

Rew says

Remember, we are challenging Russia in the Middle East like never before (Afghanistan, Syria, Iran) and in addition, don't forget about the Georgian conflict. Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

Even the conservative, Pat Buchanan, calls the Neocons the war party. He said that no president before W would be so stupid to bait the Russian Bear. The neocons are crazy mother f***ers.

They are insane. Larry Eagleburger before he died said on Kudlow that he expected the US and Russia to lob nukes at each other. The current military is anti neocon. Betrayus was the last neocon to fall.

We cannot bait the bear or invade Iran without serious cause or we could risk WW3 and mutually assured destruction.

bgamall4   Tue, 25 Jun 2013, 5:19pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 32

thomaswong.1986 says

hey dont have any friendly souls or client states left behind.. be it in Europe or South in the Middle and Far East. And many would build a quick alliance with NATO and the USA to keep the Ivan the Bear down. No one trusts them.

You are out of your mind. You are certifiably crazy.

thomaswong.1986   Wed, 26 Jun 2013, 12:52pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

bgamall4 says

You are out of your mind. You are certifiably crazy.

know of any nation ... former Warsaw pact or client state ? All gone and going away.

ok... maybe Old Casto in Cuba will send Putin some cigars for his birthday.

Rew   Wed, 3 Jul 2013, 8:56am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 34

bgamall4 says

You didn't read this did you?

http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/a-neocon-just-called-for-false-flag.html

http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/the-logical-proof-that-republican.html

You need to get up to speed, Rew.

Are you trying to say no other nation positions itself for a war, when it thinks it is in its own best interest? Are you saying this one American is a whole representation of America itself?

Additionally, he didn't say false-flag, he said it's best if someone else starts the war (ie not Iran). One more thing that just burns me up : his history is a little poor. The Lusitania wasn't the instigator for US entering WWI it was "the Zimmerman telegram" showing absolute complete naked agression by Germany. (Do you know how hard Wilson tried to avoid getting into WWI?)

Sorry, US still not rating very highly on "list of most evil/war-making/whatever countries".

Rew   Wed, 3 Jul 2013, 9:03am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 35

bgamall4 says

We cannot bait the bear or invade Iran without serious cause or we could risk WW3 and mutually assured destruction.

PANIC!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

Again, we aren't baiting the bear. The bear isn't our real concern. The panda(?) is. We just happen to be near the bear's cave.

bgamall4   Wed, 3 Jul 2013, 10:55am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 36

Rew says

Are you trying to say no other nation positions itself for a war, when it thinks it is in its own best interest?

I am saying the neocons predicted, called for and carried out 9/11. Is that criminal enough for you?

And in a repeat of the pattern, the neocon called for a false flag assuming Romney would be elected.

bgamall4   Wed, 3 Jul 2013, 10:58am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 37

Rew says

Additionally, he didn't say false-flag,

He didn't have to. He went through an explanation of his assumption, whether true or false, that all US wars were started by false flags. He didn't have to say it explicitly. He had no other reason for going through the list than to imply a false flag was needed. He diverted to attacking Iran, but the laughter was because the people knew exactly what he was implying.

Don't they teach these analytical skills in college?

bgamall4   Wed, 3 Jul 2013, 10:59am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 38

Rew says

his history is a little poor.

That makes him even more dangerous doesn't it? He was on the Cheney energy task force. He is an influential and dangerous man. And he knew exactly what he was saying.

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