Russias actions reminiscent of Cold War


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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mccain-putin-snowden-syria-153134808.html McCain wanted to provoke Russia with a missile shield that Russia said it would pulverize. McCain is a hypocritical moron. He is a douchebag.

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  1. CaptainShuddup


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    1   10:01am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    I heard it quoted yesterday, that Putin enjoys sticking his finger in the eye of Obama every chance he gets.
    I'm really starting to like this guy. He reminds me of how American politicians used to be. Obama should be honored to have his rule rein in the same era as Putin.

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    2   10:04am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    CaptainShuddup says

    He reminds me of how American politicians used to be.

    Yeah I remmeber when Soviet citizens ran away from the USSR and came to the USA for freedom. How time shave changed.

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    3   10:04am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    CaptainShuddup says

    I heard it quoted yesterday, that Putin enjoys sticking his finger in the eye of Obama every chance he gets.

    I'm really starting to like this guy. He reminds me of how American politicians used to be. Obama should be horned to have his rule rein in the same era as Putin.

    Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

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    4   10:10am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike  

    All hell has broke lose, we have a mad man hell bent on fucking the poor and middle class over in this country every time he opens his mouth.

    "Obama to push for changes on existing power plants"

    Expect some of that old black magic he worked in "Affordable Healthcare" that will give us $1,000 electric bills. Most Generation Whiners retort... "well invest in wind and solar" er er dur dur doo...

    But we can't even have Cheap Chinese solar panels. There's nothing sincere about this son of a bitch, and for the majority of his constituents. No matter how rotten and bad this asshole fucks shit up. They will applaud him, because if at least 50% of the country is bitching, then there's a republican somewhere that received the long reach of the Liberal Sanchez shitty finger.

    How come Bush didn't have a problem with him?

    "Poke him in the other eye, Pooty poo!"

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    5   10:16am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

    so you rather capitulate and surrender to a foreign power because YOU are a pacifistic.

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    6   10:21am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    thomaswong.1986 says

    so you rather capitulate and surrender to a foreign power because YOU are a
    pacifistic.

    I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

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    7   10:45am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    lostand confused says

    I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

    Lol, or Poland.

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    8   10:45am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    thomaswong.1986 says

    so you rather capitulate

    Only you would think that mutually assured destruction is capitulation Wong. Only you and the crazed neocons, that is.

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    9   10:57am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    lostand confused says

    I didn't realize East Europe was US territory.

    you do realize the Soviets pulled the same stunt when we deployed
    cruise and intermediate missiles in Nato nations during the 80s.
    the KGB propaganda machine was in full swing.

    So today, we have Poland in NATO... gosh!
    them Poles aint to friendly
    with Old Ivan, are they now ?

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    10   10:58am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    Only you would think that mutually assured destruction is capitulation Wong. Only you and the crazed neocons, that is.

    Seems to work well. Your still here acting childish.. had it not, you would be dust.

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    11   11:06am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    thomaswong.1986 says

    Seems to work well.

    Yes, it works well, so why would you want to tip the balance with a missile shield, which the Russians consider an act of war?

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    12   11:11am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    CaptainShuddup says

    All hell has broke lose, we have a mad man hell bent on fucking the poor and middle class over in this country every time he opens his mouth.

    They are closing power plants out here in CA and raising rates at the same time... while Obama is selling solar panels everywhere. Lovely how that government racket works.

    They sure know how to screw the middle class and the poor. Same magic formula that they never change.

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    13   11:15am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    act of war?

    says who ?

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    14   11:25am Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    He should pardon the Enron execs and give them a metal of honor.

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    15   1:43pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    thomaswong.1986 says

    says who ?

    Says the Russians, and really, when the Russian general said that it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks, now, does it?

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    16   1:47pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    FortWayne says

    They are closing power plants out here in CA and raising rates at the same time... while Obama is selling solar panels everywhere. Lovely how that government racket works.

    They sure know how to screw the middle class and the poor. Same magic formula that they never change.

    It started in earnest with Reagan. Under Reagan, toxic loans and MBS were set into law. It was one of the first things he did:

    http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-died-today-and-i-am.html

    I wonder what he would have thought of the screwing of the middle class by Wall Street once again?

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    bgamall4 says

    toxic loans and MBS

    There you go again with the toxic loans... i guess your sure without those loans
    prices would still be going higher and higher.

    We had the SEC act of 1933/34, how did it prevent the stock bubble of late '90s ?

    How do you regulate irrational buyers out of the market ?

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    18   7:05pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    America has been surrounding Russia with missile bases for decades. Imagine our reaction if they put bases anywhere in the western hemisphere.

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    Robert Sproul says

    America has been surrounding Russia with missile bases for decades. Imagine our reaction if they put bases anywhere in the western hemisphere.

    hardly if you consider we only had NATO bases across the West-East German Border.

    where else did WE have missile bases near their borders ... China, across the Balkens, maybe the Soviet Southern Borders, Afghanistan ?

    They already tried doing that with Cuba, and didnt go well for their leadership.

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    We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

    On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

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    bgamall4 says

    McCain is a hypocritical moron. He is a douchebag.

    early dementia by syphilis by VietCong prison rapes.

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    Robert Sproul says

    We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

    That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

    Ask the locals what they think about that.

    Robert Sproul says

    On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

    By the map, so true, but Iran is a small side show. This is the Eastern section of Chinese containment, Southern is India, and Western is Japan.

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    23   10:21pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Rew says

    That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

    That is nothing compared to US expansionism. We are the empire. We are starting to be an evil empire.

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    bgamall4 says

    Rew says

    That's not exactly true. The majority of military installations in former soviet block countries are still manned ... by Russian troops.

    That is nothing compared to US expansionism. We are the empire. We are starting to be an evil empire.

    We have always been "the empire" since post WWII. The Brit's taught us well, but we also use Coke and McDonalds as part of our 'arsenal'. Haha.

    'Evil' I don't think I would say so. No more than other national interests, and a far deal better in intent than the majority. Still a symbol of hope, prosperity, and diplomacy for the world.

    There are countries who align with our interests, those that don't, and those that are direct challenges. We act in kind toward those countries as one would expect.

    America bashing is in vogue though. ;)

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    25   10:47pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    Putin has threatened to blow up the missile shield. You don't want a Republican to be president because he will try to build it and Russia will destroy it. Then all hell could break loose.

    Since the missile shield these days is typically floating in the black sea ... fire away ... fire away ...

    Russia is very sensitive about Poland. They were ruled by the Poles for a few hundred years, and the Poles shut them down post WWI, likely saving most of Eastern Europe at that time. There is some animated and intense history there.

    Russia likes Poland to be nice rapid invasion territory, so they have some buffer for the Motherland. Unfortunately, so far, the US has allowed that to remain as such. In a way, you cannot blame Russia though. They have a history of being invaded by some force right through Poland.

    Poland is probably one of our most unsung, bravest, and truest allies ... ever. I'd put them right behind the UK and uppity France.

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    Robert Sproul says

    We have 900 overseas bases and military personnel in 130 countries. Russia has 1 external base.

    We are part of an Alliance of nations with various treaties.. Be it NATO, Japan, South Korea, ANZUZ, Philippine, and others. WE are not an Empire similar to Britain or Russia. Our presence isnt like the Warsaw Pact nations to keep the locals in check.

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    27   10:55pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Robert Sproul says

    On second thought it is Iran that should be worried.

    yes true..

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    28   11:14pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    CaptainShuddup says

    How come Bush didn't have a problem with him?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–United_States_relations#Putin_and_Bush

    The cowboy diplomat, rough and tumble, "warm" relationship between Bush and Putin is a fallacy. Bush is exactly where Putin and Russia began to distrust America again. Bush very much did 'have a problem' with him ... he just didn't give a darn ... and damaged much of our post-Soviet era relationship. The fruit of that work is the situation now.

    http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20120621/174162747.html

    Here is the fun quote:
    "On the other hand, the reset policy launched in 2009 became possible only when Moscow decided that Obama, unlike his predecessor, would keep his word. Obama promised to review Bush’s missile defense plans for Poland and the Czech Republic, and he has done so. Moscow has shown that it is always willing to reciprocate. Then-President Dmitry Medvedev stated that Russia would look into approving sanctions against Iran the very next day after Obama buried Bush’s missile defense initiative in Eastern Europe."

    ... and this is pretty good, for huffpuff:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/obama-putin_n_3467752.html

    Remember, we are challenging Russia in the Middle East like never before (Afghanistan, Syria, Iran) and in addition, don't forget about the Georgian conflict. Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

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    29   11:32pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Rew says

    Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

    They dont have any friendly souls or client states left behind.. be it in Europe or South in the Middle and Far East. And many would build a quick alliance with NATO and the USA to keep the Ivan the Bear down. No one trusts them.

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    30   11:36pm Tue 25 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Rew says

    Evil' I don't think I would say so. No more than other national interests, and a far deal better in intent than the majority. Still a symbol of hope, prosperity, and diplomacy for the world.

    You didn't read this did you?

    http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/a-neocon-just-called-for-false-flag.html

    http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/the-logical-proof-that-republican.html

    You need to get up to speed, Rew.

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    31   12:17am Wed 26 Jun 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Rew says

    Remember, we are challenging Russia in the Middle East like never before (Afghanistan, Syria, Iran) and in addition, don't forget about the Georgian conflict. Throw in the difficult times they have had with the world economic situation and yes ... grumpy bear ... grumpy bear.

    Even the conservative, Pat Buchanan, calls the Neocons the war party. He said that no president before W would be so stupid to bait the Russian Bear. The neocons are crazy mother f***ers.

    They are insane. Larry Eagleburger before he died said on Kudlow that he expected the US and Russia to lob nukes at each other. The current military is anti neocon. Betrayus was the last neocon to fall.

    We cannot bait the bear or invade Iran without serious cause or we could risk WW3 and mutually assured destruction.

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    thomaswong.1986 says

    hey dont have any friendly souls or client states left behind.. be it in Europe or South in the Middle and Far East. And many would build a quick alliance with NATO and the USA to keep the Ivan the Bear down. No one trusts them.

    You are out of your mind. You are certifiably crazy.

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    bgamall4 says

    You are out of your mind. You are certifiably crazy.

    know of any nation ... former Warsaw pact or client state ? All gone and going away.

    ok... maybe Old Casto in Cuba will send Putin some cigars for his birthday.

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    bgamall4 says

    You didn't read this did you?

    http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/a-neocon-just-called-for-false-flag.html

    http://www.recourse-loans.com/2013/06/the-logical-proof-that-republican.html

    You need to get up to speed, Rew.

    Are you trying to say no other nation positions itself for a war, when it thinks it is in its own best interest? Are you saying this one American is a whole representation of America itself?

    Additionally, he didn't say false-flag, he said it's best if someone else starts the war (ie not Iran). One more thing that just burns me up : his history is a little poor. The Lusitania wasn't the instigator for US entering WWI it was "the Zimmerman telegram" showing absolute complete naked agression by Germany. (Do you know how hard Wilson tried to avoid getting into WWI?)

    Sorry, US still not rating very highly on "list of most evil/war-making/whatever countries".

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    35   4:03pm Wed 3 Jul 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    We cannot bait the bear or invade Iran without serious cause or we could risk WW3 and mutually assured destruction.

    PANIC!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

    Again, we aren't baiting the bear. The bear isn't our real concern. The panda(?) is. We just happen to be near the bear's cave.

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    Rew says

    Are you trying to say no other nation positions itself for a war, when it thinks it is in its own best interest?

    I am saying the neocons predicted, called for and carried out 9/11. Is that criminal enough for you?

    And in a repeat of the pattern, the neocon called for a false flag assuming Romney would be elected.

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    Rew says

    Additionally, he didn't say false-flag,

    He didn't have to. He went through an explanation of his assumption, whether true or false, that all US wars were started by false flags. He didn't have to say it explicitly. He had no other reason for going through the list than to imply a false flag was needed. He diverted to attacking Iran, but the laughter was because the people knew exactly what he was implying.

    Don't they teach these analytical skills in college?

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    38   5:59pm Wed 3 Jul 2013   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Rew says

    his history is a little poor.

    That makes him even more dangerous doesn't it? He was on the Cheney energy task force. He is an influential and dangerous man. And he knew exactly what he was saying.

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