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Politics Cannot Be Fixed

By Vaticanus   Follow   Sun, 14 Mar 2010, 8:09pm   686 views   11 comments
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Perhaps all these politicians resigning/not running for reelection are on to something. They know the system is broken beyond repair. The best solution would be to reduce the size and reach of the federal government and increase local/state responsibility for themselves.

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1. Paralithodes Follow Befriend 1 threads 530 comments

   1   8:28pm Sun 14 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Gridlock was designed into the system intentionally. That is why the founders were against a single legislative body and implemented the bicameral Congress. The founders were specifically against a simple majority rule democracy. "Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob." James Madison in Federalist # 55

2. Vaticanus Follow Befriend (1) 77 threads 1,120 comments

   2   8:36pm Sun 14 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Paralithodes says Gridlock was designed into the system intentionally. That is why the founders were against a single legislative body and implemented the bicameral Congress. The founders were specifically against a simple majority rule democracy. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.” James Madison in Federalist # 55 That being said, when the "conservatives" are in power they basically NEVER roll back all the insane spending increases that "progressives" pass. To make matters worse "conservatives" have brought about some major spending increases as well, for example "war on terror" and Medicare part D.

3. Kevin Follow Befriend 40 threads 2,652 comments

   3   9:32pm Sun 14 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   AdHominem says Paralithodes says Gridlock was designed into the system intentionally. That is why the founders were against a single legislative body and implemented the bicameral Congress. The founders were specifically against a simple majority rule democracy. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.” James Madison in Federalist # 55 That being said, when the “conservatives” are in power they basically NEVER roll back all the insane spending increases that “progressives” pass. To make matters worse “conservatives” have brought about some major spending increases as well, for example “war on terror” and Medicare part D. The GOP (the only conservatives getting elected) have had the mantra of "starve the beast" for years. That's why they only cut taxes, never spending. Of course, they're too big of pussies to even think about cutting the big three cost centers, because, well, very few americans want to do that. Until the average american says: - Cut the military - Fix social security - Fix medicare You won't see any change from any politician. They'll bicker over shit that doesn't matter (earmarks), and shit that matters even less (gay marriage and abortion), but they won't fix the real problems until a true crisis emerges.

4. Paralithodes Follow Befriend 1 threads 530 comments

   4   5:58am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   AdHominem says Paralithodes says Gridlock was designed into the system intentionally. That is why the founders were against a single legislative body and implemented the bicameral Congress. The founders were specifically against a simple majority rule democracy. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.” James Madison in Federalist # 55 That being said, when the “conservatives” are in power they basically NEVER roll back all the insane spending increases that “progressives” pass. To make matters worse “conservatives” have brought about some major spending increases as well, for example “war on terror” and Medicare part D. I wish this were not true, but unfortunately you are absolutely correct.

5. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,641 comments

   5   6:31am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Paralithodes says AdHominem says Paralithodes says Gridlock was designed into the system intentionally. That is why the founders were against a single legislative body and implemented the bicameral Congress. The founders were specifically against a simple majority rule democracy. “Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.” James Madison in Federalist # 55 That being said, when the “conservatives” are in power they basically NEVER roll back all the insane spending increases that “progressives” pass. To make matters worse “conservatives” have brought about some major spending increases as well, for example “war on terror” and Medicare part D. I wish this were not true, but unfortunately you are absolutely correct. No--you're wrong. It isn't true. Conservatives are the ones who increase spending. see Reagan, GW Bush. They spend it on guns instead of butter, but they spend it nonetheless.

6. Paralithodes Follow Befriend 1 threads 530 comments

   6   7:55am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   tatupu70 says They spend it on guns instead of butter Medicare Part D was guns instead of butter? Bush 41 did not enact significant cuts to the military following the collapse of the USSR? LOL, next you'll tell us that GWB didn't actually initiate funding for human embryonic stem cell research.... Meanwhile, your sarcasm aside, what do you actually disagree with in that exchange? Don't like it when conservatives defend conservative policymaking, and don't like it when conservatives criticize conservative policymaking? Or is this simply your way of getting beyind partisan BS?

7. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,641 comments

   7   8:27am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Paralithodes says Medicare Part D was guns instead of butter? Bush 41 did not enact significant cuts to the military following the collapse of the USSR? LOL, next you’ll tell us that GWB didn’t actually initiate funding for human embryonic stem cell research…. Meanwhile, your sarcasm aside, what do you actually disagree with in that exchange? Don’t like it when conservatives defend conservative policymaking, and don’t like it when conservatives criticize conservative policymaking? Or is this simply your way of getting beyind partisan BS? I disagree with Ad Homs statement about "insane spending increases that “progressives” pass". I'm tired of reading statements like that taken as fact. Let's look at facts in the future. And I specifically used Reagan and W. Bush because they were supposedly "conservative" Presidents. HW Bush wasn't ever considered a true conservative. And, yes, you are correct W also threw money away on prescription drugs too.

8. Paralithodes Follow Befriend 1 threads 530 comments

   8   9:21am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   He presented his statement as a "fact" and not a very strongly held opinion? Sorry, I don't see it that way... I typically interpret "insane" in this type of context as a personal judgment on the behavior in question. Unless the fact that you question is whether progressives have passed spending increases? If you want to stick to facts, how about starting by sticking to facts about how words are used?

9. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,641 comments

   9   9:24am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Paralithodes says He presented his statement as a “fact” and not a very strongly held opinion? Sorry, I don’t see it that way… I typically interpret “insane” in this type of context as a personal judgment on the behavior in question. Unless the fact that you question is whether progressives have passed spending increases? If you want to stick to facts, how about starting by sticking to facts about how words are used? Huh? It was his opinion. But it's an opinion that is easily contradicted by historical data. That's why I said let's stick to facts, so we don't get people posting BS...

10. Paralithodes Follow Befriend 1 threads 530 comments

    10   9:34am Mon 15 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Meanwhile, he still made a point to give conservatives very little/no quarter in the same issue, so acknowledge that, give the guy a break, and move on.....

11. Vaticanus Follow Befriend (1) 77 threads 1,120 comments

    11   1:40pm Tue 16 Mar 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   All social programs could legitimately be labeled progressive no matter what label the people who pass them claim for themselves (like a “conservative” passing the biggest social spending increase since FDR). My comment clearly pointed out the hypocrisy of “conservatives” and therefore supported the hypothesis that politics cannot be fixed. (not to be confused with the hypocrisy of a nobel peace prize winner who expands American involvement in an unnecessary foreign war, or the hypocrisy of blaming a previous administration for all our problems and then continuing/expanding the vast majority of the previous administrations policies. Why was Bernanke who fought for the bailouts and under whose watch the crisis culminated reappointed and recommended for such by Obama, unless Obama agrees with what he did under Bush?) If you weren’t so offending by a perceived attack on your ideology/party you could clearly see that this article and my comments are a criticism of politics and not necessarily party or ideology.