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A Wonderful Site for Liberals

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Finally, there is a site where BIG Government, tax & spend liberals can literally put their money where their mouth is. What a wonderful idea. Why wait for tax increases when you can send in your donation to the Government?

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1. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   328   1:58pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Honest Abe says Iwog, your conclusion is wrong, this thread is about voluntary CONTRIBUTIONS. Again, most Americans enjoy the freedom of donating to any cause they choose to…or not. Liberals however, want to FORCE others to donate to the cause THEY deem worthy…and its not a option. You do understand the difference, (freedom vs. force) don’t you? My conclusion is dead on accurate and nothing in the above paragraph contradicts it in the slightest.

2. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,094 comments

   329   6:40pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   elvis says The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy. pretty much how I see it too

3. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

   330   8:37pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Honest Abe says Liberals however, want to FORCE others to donate to the cause THEY deem worthy…and its not a option. I don't recall being asked if it was optional for me, to pay for various wars we've engaged in recently. Were those leaders commies? Were those "worthy causes" so worthy? I lose track.

4. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   331   8:42pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bap33 says elvis says The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy. pretty much how I see it too As a liberal, relatively speaking (I know of republicans in the 70s that were more liberal than I am), I can try to give you the other point of view. It's this: markets work, matching up supply and demand. But this does not work with charity, or "a thousand points of light." I would say that liberals know themselves well enough to know that if you essentially bill me for things like veterans benefits, food stamps, and all the countless essential services such as police, teachers, care for poor disabled people, I will pay it. But left to my own devices I will not give enough to pay my share of all of these. Also, I find the risk of dependency, which may be significant, to be much more than offset by the sort of neutral feel of receiving government help, as opposed to charity, in cases such as food stamps.

5. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   332   8:45pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   marcus says elvis says The difference is simply this: Most Americans love the freedom of donating to any worthy cause they choose. Whereas liberals want to FORCE others to donate to causes THEY deem worthy. pretty much how I see it too This is nothing more than a transparent justification for selfishness and greed. Liberals are just intelligent enough to understand that.

6. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,094 comments

   333   8:45pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   well ... the base reason for creating a mass governing body is common protection through shared resources (from national level to local level). After protection is complete, then all those fun welfare programs can be started. It just can't be done the other way around. Right? The bailout thing is welfare. Bush was a liberal spender. SSI is welfare when accessed by non-payer-iners free lunch is welfare Section 8 is welfare sex change pills for prisoners is welfare ACLU is unAmerican NOW hates conservative women NAACP hates conservative CP's Nobody ever voted for EPA, IRS, or NEA

7. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

   334   9:01pm Tue 12 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bap33 says After protection is complete, then all those fun welfare programs can be started. Fabulous! MediCare is welfare, thus I should be able to opt out of paying for it. Alrighty, because I'd REALLY like to stop paying for the Teabaggers favorite ride:

8. LarryPatrickMaloney Follow Befriend (13) 57 threads 164 comments Mountain View, CA LarryPatrickMaloney's website

   335   12:09am Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Why is that a wonderful site for liberals? Liberals support higher taxes to accomplish specific goals. Voluntary donations can never accomplish those specific goals, so it’s pointless to throw money. Liberals are ethical and believe in paying for what they spend. Neocons are unethical because they scream for tax cuts while at the same time supporting trillion dollar unnecessary wars. I may not agree with all government spending, but I do know which side is acting like responsible adults and which side consists of spoiled children. Liberals support higher taxes to accomplish specific goals? What "goals" would those be exactly? Would it be "taxing people more"? If you like Taxes so much, why not tax yourself, and not others? What happened to liberals promise of freedom and "rights"? Where is my right to NOT be taxed? As we all know now, all our tax money goes to Liberals, and their political friends, and their union friends. The democratic party is a fraud, and has been for at least two or three generations. It's time to clean house, and get rid of all the incumbents at the federal, state and local levels and start anew. iWog, what perfect picture. A loud quacking duck... now where's my duck hunting equipment.... :)

9. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   336   12:19am Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   larrypatrickmaloney says As we all know now, all our tax money goes to Liberals, and their political friends, and their union friends. That's baloney Maloney. Try corporate welfare. Tax cuts for the rich. Haliburton. Questionable wars. Building fake economies built on financial services fees, and credit (which can be traced back to "don't worry be happy, daddy will take care of you" Reagan era). And don't forget paying the interest on the debt that the borrow and spend republicans did in the past 30 years, and the gullible fools who actually bought the whole trickle down philosophy behind all of the "deficits don't matter," thinking of the starve the beast crowd. Hey, let's cut taxes all the way to zero, and government revenues will go to infinity !! It's trickle down economics, gee.

10. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    337   12:43am Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   larrypatrickmaloney says Liberals support higher taxes to accomplish specific goals? What “goals” would those be exactly? Would it be “taxing people more”? If you like Taxes so much, why not tax yourself, and not others? What happened to liberals promise of freedom and “rights”? Where is my right to NOT be taxed? As we all know now, all our tax money goes to Liberals, and their political friends, and their union friends. I already explained the hypocrisy of asking someone to voluntarily pay more taxes if you're not willing to voluntarily use fewer government services. It should be obvious to anyone. All our tax money does not go to liberals and their political friends. You don't have any "right" not to be taxed. Don't you people get tired of presenting an argument that looks like you copied off a throwaway campaign mailer????

11. LarryPatrickMaloney Follow Befriend (13) 57 threads 164 comments Mountain View, CA LarryPatrickMaloney's website

    338   5:06pm Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says larrypatrickmaloney says Liberals support higher taxes to accomplish specific goals? What “goals” would those be exactly? Would it be “taxing people more”? If you like Taxes so much, why not tax yourself, and not others? What happened to liberals promise of freedom and “rights”? Where is my right to NOT be taxed? As we all know now, all our tax money goes to Liberals, and their political friends, and their union friends. I already explained the hypocrisy of asking someone to voluntarily pay more taxes if you’re not willing to voluntarily use fewer government services. It should be obvious to anyone. All our tax money does not go to liberals and their political friends. You don’t have any “right” not to be taxed. Don’t you people get tired of presenting an argument that looks like you copied off a throwaway campaign mailer???? Actually, I do have the RIGHT to not be taxed: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax Of course, 50% of Americans don't pay income tax, so I have the right to make LESS than a certain amount and not be taxed on that. I think we can agree IWOG on something here, that is if I don't consume govt. services, I shouldn't have to pay for those services. In fact, I haven't consumed very much govt. services, compared to that taxes I have paid, and I don't even make that much money. (Past couple of years my personal income has been near ZERO, and my wife and I still have to pay taxes) I like your idea of being billed for the services I consume. Lets do it that way! If I'm not using govt. services very much, then I shouldn't be taxed that much. (Great idea IWOG) To help you visualize the data, here is a great site that has graphs the data: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/#usgs302a ( I just found this on the net, looks pretty accurate) Look at the "pension" pie of the graph. According to this, 15% of our budget goes to pay for pensions. What service can I derive from pensions for govt. workers? So we can cut my taxes by 15% for that. I've never asked or wanted welfare, so chop off another 12% Education? Hmm, well I put my self through private school (working paper routes, and saving money for high school and college) so we can cut another 16% there. (Hey, how many people has the "Department of Education" educated anyway? I've never met a Doctor from the department of "health", so cut another 17% there. Well that leaves Defense and "Remainder". I don't mind paying something for defense, so I'll leave that, and I don't really know what "remainder" is. That looks like a 60% cut to me. IWOG, if you become dictator of America, and confiscated everyone's income, you couldn't event pay off the total American debt through taxes, for Federal, Social Security, Medcare, Medicaid, State, Local and Pensions debts for decades. I think the total for that is somewhere around $100 Trillion or so. Let's just default on all the debts, reduces taxes to 5%, and let 99% of the American people fend for themselves, without all the great "govt" services. PS: My writing is all my own.

12. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    339   5:10pm Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I love you "optional tax" guys. You end up like that guy whose house burned down, and endangered neighbor property to boot: http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html Let's make paying for military optional, you jump right on that eh? I'll agree to pay my Coast Guard fee and that's about it.

13. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    340   5:39pm Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   larrypatrickmaloney says PS: My writing is all my own. I wouldn't know where to start. Definitely not a "big picture" guy. It is interesting, the different things that we all see to be great about this country. Freedom isn't that great if you are on the north pole, or the middle of a jungle, or in hell for that matter. Freedom alone doesn't do it. Okay. I get your point. You don't think that our government has served you. I feel the same way sometimes. Just not to the point where I want to stop paying for it.

14. elliemae Follow Befriend (25) 413 threads 6,976 comments Saint George, UT elliemae's website

    341   9:55pm Wed 13 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says According to all unverifiable sources available to me, the Official Give Meter for the Liberals of Patrick.net officially stands at ZERO. Why am I not surprised? Geez rayray, I gave a buck to a guy holding a sign that said, "why lie? I need a beer." I thought it was you - yet you don't count that contribution? You're not getting another beer outta me.

15. LarryPatrickMaloney Follow Befriend (13) 57 threads 164 comments Mountain View, CA LarryPatrickMaloney's website

    342   2:00pm Fri 15 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says RayAmerica says At what point does this become Obama’s economy …. Obama’s budget …. Obama’s deficit spending … Obama’s war? Never. I don’t put things in boxes like that. It’s the sort of simplistic single dimensional thinking that leads to insane conclusions. “Obama’s” budget includes expenses he has nothing to do with. Some date back to Bush, some date back to Reagan, some date back to FDR. Obama is responsible for a stimulus package costing $800 billion. He’s also responsible for the GM bailout and the health care bill, which to this point has cost nearly nothing. On the other hand, Bush is responsible for most of the bailouts which occurred in 2008, excessive costs in Medicare brought about by Medicare D, two wars which would have been over in 2005 had there been anyone competent in the Bush administration, nearly all of our current tax laws, nearly all of our current trade laws, and a Supreme Court which turned corporations into people. People like you blamed Carter for high inflation when Carter had absolutely nothing to do with high inflation. You’re simply not capable of greater understanding than “He in office, it HIS fault!” "There you go again." Presidents don't create the budget. Congress does. Presidents can sign, or veto the budget.

16. jljoshlee3 Follow Befriend 4 threads 33 comments

    343   2:26pm Fri 15 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   the plan is never to pay the national debt, only service it ponzi style in perpetuity. Inflation is the "taxation" safety valve in case of a need to pay for big shotfalls and screw ups, which is why the wealthy always harp on the size of the debt. simple and effective. the people should therefore fight for their entitlements. only logical

17. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    344   2:46pm Fri 15 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Is there a line item in the 1099 that says something like "additional voluntary donations"? Thats the line the democrats should liberally fill in and contribute to their (bleeding) hearts content...opposed to working so hard to create laws FORCING everyone else to make donations to THEIR pet projects, or to those things THEY deem worthy.

18. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    345   6:07pm Fri 15 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I believe we should add a line on the tax forms and voter registration for "Tea Partier". These people will be denied all government services henceforth, in exchange for not paying taxes. They will only receive "ID" cards not driver licenses, and a special passport class that indicates they receive no assistance abroad if they do some dumbass thing. The reclamation of mobility scooters is an obvious one, but in general they'd need something like a "do not render aid" bracelet so we don't make the mistake of offering them assistance in emergency. The bootstrappy must help themselves.

19. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    346   6:17pm Fri 15 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Vicente says I believe we should add a line on the tax forms and voter registration for “Tea Partier”. These people will be denied all government services henceforth, in exchange for not paying taxes. They will only receive “ID” cards not driver licenses, and a special passport class that indicates they receive no assistance abroad if they do some dumbass thing. The reclamation of mobility scooters is an obvious one, but in general they’d need something like a “do not render aid” bracelet so we don’t make the mistake of offering them assistance in emergency. The bootstrappy must help themselves. People like Abe and Ray are completely blind to the example you're trying to make. (and the one I tried to make earlier) Once again I am convinced the two sides of the political spectrum are NOT equally sincere and they certainly aren't equally honest.

20. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    347   6:02pm Tue 19 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Vicente says I believe we should add a line on the tax forms and voter registration for “Tea Partier”. These people will be denied all government services henceforth, in exchange for not paying taxes. No one in their right mind is advocating "no government." What thinking people are advocating is LIMITED government. Somehow, people like you and the Duck just can't seem to grasp that idea. No wonder the Founding Fathers are scorned on this site.

21. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    348   6:08pm Tue 19 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says No wonder the Founding Fathers are scorned on this site. Bad Logic. You quote the founding fathers--->you are scorned. This does not imply that the founding fathers are scorned.

22. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    349   7:56pm Tue 19 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Marcus, the founding fathers may not actually be scorned on this site. Its just that their policies are continually being eroded by politicians.

23. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    350   8:04pm Tue 19 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Truly, we reserve the scorn for students with knowledge but little understanding. Piety is not what the lessons bring to people, it's the mistake they bring to the lessons. Good ideas, those are useful. It's nice to attribute who said it, but past that... converting men into demigods and treating their every utterance like platinum, is not useful.

24. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    351   12:53pm Wed 20 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   marcus says Bad Logic. You quote the founding fathers—>you are scorned. This does not imply that the founding fathers are scorned. You are so right. YOU are using bad logic. Your statement is silly beyond anything (well almost) that our little Kevin has come up with. That is really saying something.

25. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    352   9:49pm Fri 22 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   OK, since liberals are so intent on leveling the playing field, spreading the wealth, and curing Ameica's problems, lets have them voluntarily raise their income tax by 50%. Lets have them put their money where their mouth is. I'm tired of them putting my money where their mouth is. If you're like me you'll hide your wallet. If your a liberal, why not get out your checkbook , write a big check to the government, send it in, and leave me out of your stupid, empathatic, manipulative, scheme's. I don't want to be FORCED to donate to the charity of YOUR choice.

26. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    353   9:55pm Fri 22 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Pople like Ray/Abe are TWICE as quick to TAKE ADVANTAGE of government services. "Keep your hands off my MediCare!", spending is A-OK as long as it's for YOU and you don't have to pay for it. Like the greedy little kid that wanted all the best toys on their birthday but OOPS forgot to get nice presents for anyone else.

27. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    354   10:11pm Fri 22 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   If the lib's want MY money for THEIR charity, who is the greedy one? (BTW, you have never seen me say "keep your hands off MediCare", or any other hand out. Everything, including the military, needs to be put in line so the budget balances. America doesn't have a lack of taxes, it has excess spending - its that simple).

28. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    355   9:14am Mon 25 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Honest Abe says If the lib’s want MY money for THEIR charity, who is the greedy one? Liberals are extremely generous people. They love to give. They feel. They care. They have intense compassion. There's only one problem; all this generosity requires OTHER people's money.

29. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    356   8:29pm Tue 26 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Hahaha - liberal generosity requires OTHER peoples money - haha. That says it all, doesn't it? Well said Mr. America !!

30. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    357   8:35am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Latest update on the Liberal Give Meter: $ZERO

31. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    358   9:41am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Latest update on the number of Teabaggers who "Return SS and refuse MediCare": ZERO

32. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    359   9:44am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Why return something that has been removed from our paychecks?

33. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    360   9:50am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I reiterate my offer, to strip you of all rights and privileges of US citizenship, in exchange for not paying any form of taxes. Deal?

34. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    361   9:53am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I'll give you my answer after you provide proof that you've added $$$ to the Give Meter.

35. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    362   9:55am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bwahaha! You'll treat your US citizenship like a bar bet? Oh man this is too rich.

36. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    363   10:21am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   RayAmerica says Why return something that has been removed from our paychecks? Don't you believe in standing up for your limited government principles????? What a pathetic American you are!

37. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    364   11:53am Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Vicente says Bwahaha! You’ll treat your US citizenship like a bar bet? Oh man this is too rich. I'll take that to mean you are refusing to help out your government with a donation. The Liberal Give Meter (sadly) still stands at $0.00

38. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    365   2:58pm Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   OK I sent them a cool million, now mail me your passport and all other forms of government identification.

39. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    366   4:38pm Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Sorry, frozen stacks of Monopoly money doesn't count. The Give Meter is still stuck on ZERO.

40. elliemae Follow Befriend (25) 413 threads 6,976 comments Saint George, UT elliemae's website

    367   4:46pm Wed 27 Oct 2010   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Vicente says OK I sent them a cool million, now mail me your passport and all other forms of government identification. Ah, don't worry. They're probably watching him anyway. :)

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